Microsoft might be taking a gap year, next Lumia flagship said to come in September 2015

Microsoft might be taking a gap year, next Lumia flagship said to come in September 2015
Well, ever since the Nokia Lumia 930/Icon broke cover, we've been keeping an ear close to the ground, hoping to hear something regarding a next Microsoft flagship. And we did - the rumor mill suggested that a device nicknamed "Lumia McLaren" might eventually shape up to be a full-blown Redmond forerunner.

The handset was said to come with a novel gesture input system and a ludicrously-large 50MP camera sensor at the rear, but unfortunately, it turned out that the McLaren has been cancelled. Alas!

The latest round of speculations suggests that those eagerly-waiting for a new Lumia flagship won't soothe their curiosity before September 2015, as Redmond is allegedly going to unveil a high-end smartphone in ten months' time. This means that Microsoft might skip the major events in the mobile industry, namely CES and MWC, and unveil everything but a flagship.

When you come to think of it, such rumors have some ground to stand on. Microsoft is expected to officially launch its Windows 10 platform sometime in late Q3 2015, and it might use a Lumia flagship to showcase the mobile variation of the OS. This somewhat falls in line with the speculations that made the rounds more than a week ago.

Then again, this is not a definite proof that we'll see no high-end Lumia phones until then, but the rumors for this alleged delay have some logic behind them. In the meantime, the giant continues to release affordable devices, with one of the latest being the Nokia Lumia 535.

Any thoughts?

source: Techradar



1. Loubielou

Posts: 603; Member since: Jul 11, 2012

Microsoft know Windows can not Keep up with the number of Android phones,an with more Top Class ones on the Way in 2015,Microsoft might wait until see What Type of Phone they need to Produce to compete with the New Android phones,as they already know what the iPhone 6 and 6plus as

9. NexusKoolaid

Posts: 493; Member since: Oct 24, 2011

In order to compete in this industry a company needs, among other things, a driving vision of where they want their product line to be over the next few years. To suggest that Microsoft is waiting to see what type of phone they need to produce is to suggest they lack such vision.

13. darkoman4

Posts: 183; Member since: May 30, 2014

And they are gonna wait and see, and release it just about when new the iPhone comes out. That's bad strategy if you ask me. No matter our preference, Apple absolutely dominate high end market, and it is not smart to release high end smartphone at the same time.

16. imnobosh

Posts: 16; Member since: Oct 15, 2014

But by that time a new iPhones will be revealed again... To me this is the end all for Microsoft if they can't bring a decent flagship before q2... I've been patiently waiting for a 1020 successor but if it doesn't happen I might finally try out that iPhone thing people seem to be so crazy about.... The app ecosystem itself is enough to differ buyers. I'm constantly put on blast about it with my iPhone Android toting friends who like the design of lumias but are unable to make the switch because of lack of Google services and popular apps and games that multiply daily on iOS and android. Yes the windows app store is improving but I'm afraid it's not happening fast enough and petiole don't want to buy a phone with the hope that their favorite app will be supported in v the coming months, they want it now. While I understand the logic of holding off until windows 10, for those that have been waiting for a true 1020 successor my fear is it will be far too late and beside all 8.1 devices will be upgraded to 10 anyways so why hold off. Just my 2 cents.

37. oldhamletman

Posts: 72; Member since: Sep 03, 2011

the 1020, 930, Icon, 1520... even though they are aging some, are fully competitive and in some ways superior to current Android and Apple phones... usability, messaging integration, displays, UI speed, Exchange / email integration, browser performance are all top notch... OS and app security, intuitive operation, cloud sync, unified OS integration across platforms, some of the cameras, business application integration on WinPhone is clearly superior to Android and Apple in a lot of cases. to infer they aren't competing is ridiculous. now the number of models, obviously MS and partners aren't going to get anywhere near the variety of Android models because it's not economically feasible or necessary at their market share... and Apple always believes they know what models the consumer needs more than the consumer does, so model count isn't a really big issue for MS at the moment. MS not coming out with a new flagship for 2 years added with the recent slip in share is what is alarming.... either you are fighting in the market space or you are not.... they certainly don't lack the cash to pump out models, so it kinda looks like a Titanic situation... it's very hard to imagine them rolling up the platform and calling it a day, but what else are we supposed to think? I went from Iphone to Android to WinPhone .... really used them all, and WinPhone is definitely the best product.... but as history has shown, the best product frequently doesn't win.

2. Jobayer

Posts: 167; Member since: Feb 22, 2013

Well , there aren't any new impressive processors, so I don't mind the gap . Maybe When there is custom 64bit chip from QC .

3. yahia_malka

Posts: 186; Member since: Mar 27, 2014

I don't think so Microsoft has joined ces ,mwc , and build What will it unveil if it didn't unveiled a flagship?

4. Droid_X_Doug

Posts: 5993; Member since: Dec 22, 2010

A delay to end of 3Q2015 is a lifetime in the mobile world. Actually, 2 product lifetimes. MS will be up against the 1Q2015 launch of the GS6 from Sammy and the S editions of Apples phones, plus the Note 5 launch. Not to mention everyone else launching their respective Android offering. Talk about taking the oxygen out of the room....

6. elitewolverine

Posts: 5192; Member since: Oct 28, 2013

But this will always happen, in terms of what you mentioned. I am wondering if this move is due to Nokia purchase, and getting things in order. Or if there is a more bold move, and putting in a intel soc in a phone, allowing x86 stuff. I would put this as a 0 of 10 thought but could be interesting. Cause right now they could release rehashes of pumped up 930's and 830's but they are delaying that for whatever strategy there is. I wish there was a flagship. But it will give me time to enjoy my new 930 purchase and enjoy the 1020 that much longer.

8. roldefol

Posts: 4744; Member since: Jan 28, 2011

At least Nokia was still releasing new products (925 and 1020) to keep in the industry's eye while waiting for the SD800. They may not have been playing the quad-core 1080p specs race with the Android competition, but the 1020 got us singing Nokia's praises again. What is MS going to offer us that an Xperia Z4, GS6, G4, One, or Moto X don't? Other than current Lumia owners, who can they play to in another year?

23. elitewolverine

Posts: 5192; Member since: Oct 28, 2013

The z4, and gs6 are still months away. As for the One? I can't buy it, Moto X? Sure, but the 830 holds well against it, even though it has lower specs it doesnt act like it by any means. And would argue the camera is a better one, especially after denim. It really comes down to right now, that if MS was to release a flagship, it would be a black sheep on the market. Keep interest to those owning one. The hard thing is that, current Lumia owners are not missing anything right now other than 'higher' specs that you wont notice on a windows device. Right now my 925 takes as good if not better pics than our s5, z1s and other cameras we have here, its just as responsive. The only draw back is smaller screen. (no one here can tell its a 720p display), outside screen viewing is a beast in automode. Really the only reason i am buying a 930 for myself is to try a larger screen. And i would argue that the 930 is the clear winner (have to test it myself). I dont like the move, i was hoping for 3 phones for november launch. I would have liked some sort of roadmap, some sort of camera samples from a work in progress. To keep our appetites wet. Alas not yet.

27. roldefol

Posts: 4744; Member since: Jan 28, 2011

I meant what is MS going to offer that the 2015 flagships from Samsung, HTC, Sony, LG, and Motorola - and heck, why not Apple - won't? Because they'll need either superior hardware or a superior UI. Just as good won't be good enough. The market has solidified to where the only customers left for MS to appeal to will be Nokia owners like yourself. Are any Android or iPhone owners out in the crowd truly interested in what Windows 10 will bring?

7. razraptre

Posts: 168; Member since: Oct 21, 2014

Let's see. The Lumia 535, 638 and 636 are out, along with a rumored 430 and 330 in early 2015. The budget range is FULL, Microsoft! How many such devices will you launch in a year? Can't you use Pureview and some Canon tech and make a 1030 successor already?!

10. Crispin_Gatieza

Posts: 3157; Member since: Jan 23, 2014

Windows 10 people. We don't know what the hardware requirements for a W10 phone will be and maybe the suppliers don't have inventory yet. There is no magic wand for building a product. OEMs rely on vendors to supply all the components. Theses vendors rely on others in the supply chain to make their orders happen. Windows 10 will be a unifying experience, give Microsoft a chance to do it right this time. It's easy for Android or Apple to keep pumping out rehash after rehash but this is a reboot of the first order.

17. imnobosh

Posts: 16; Member since: Oct 15, 2014

@ Crispin .... Wasn't wp8 suppose to be the reboot?

18. Crispin_Gatieza

Posts: 3157; Member since: Jan 23, 2014

No. WP8 just went from WinCE in WP7 to the NT kernel. The UI remained the same. Programs were still backward compatible and the changes were under the hood.

20. imnobosh

Posts: 16; Member since: Oct 15, 2014

I meant 8.1 lots of ui changes and do you really think that w10 will change their ui for phones? Maybe the desktop but I think w10 for phones will look exactly as it does now

24. elitewolverine

Posts: 5192; Member since: Oct 28, 2013

Most likely not change, but add more things like exploding tiles etc. I think the biggest change, and i have nothing to base it off of other than what win10 can do, is that MS wants to release an x86 type of phone with a intel chip and needs to wait to do so. I have a feeling their relationship with intel is far far stronger than qualcomm. Of course this is a pipe dream imo but a wish nonetheless. Win8.1 was more so a here, lets make android users happy, imo that is. Of course there is more to 8.1 than before too, in terms of updates. Right now the biggest thing for MS, and win10 is, unified apps, true unified, and code once run anywhere using their Visual Studios.

26. imnobosh

Posts: 16; Member since: Oct 15, 2014

I agree that unified apps will be the next big thing for Microsoft but it doesn't warrant holding hostages flagships for almost 2 years and beyond? Especially as I've stated in a previous comment that all windows phone this year will be upgraded to 10.

28. Crispin_Gatieza

Posts: 3157; Member since: Jan 23, 2014

Much easier to adapt an existing design than a fresh ground-up project. As elitewolverine suggested, there may be new chipsets in play. Are they available? No one knows for sure. There's a lot of development work to be done to make this possible. Remember that many enterprise customers were, and are, still on XP or Windows 2000. Will that infrastructure play nice or will Microsoft tell their REALLY important customers to throw all their equipment away and spend a small fortune upgrading? If faced with that proposition or telling some schmuck to wait another 2 years for a phone, who's side do you think MS is going to be on? "I'll go to another platform" is the usual response from consumers. Guess what? MS doesn't give a fat baby's ass because their money is in software. They're a software company first which is why now you see Office on all platforms and Cortana's next. As long as their products and services are used, they could care less if you like it or not. I'm not trying to be a hardass, that's just the reality of it.

30. elitewolverine

Posts: 5192; Member since: Oct 28, 2013

2years is no big deal really. The icon and 930 will be on a year and a half. The 830 is no slouch for the mid. I want a 1020 successor, but buying out nokia, possible renegotiating with Carl Zeiss (they only ever deal with one company at a time, one, not two one). And the Cannon deal. I have a 1020, and honestly it doesnt feel 'old'. Hopefully the delay will do two things. Get rid of carrier exclusion, and usher in a new chip/design. I rather wait a year, for that than to simply throw another phone at the wall and hope it sticks. Especially when carrier sellers have proven more than incompetent when suggesting phones for customers (i know its my job to bust bad workers in the store, i catch em every month).

11. theguy2345

Posts: 1216; Member since: Jun 24, 2014

I think they are making room for other OEMs to make phones. They are giving others a chance to fill in the gap. This may happen, if HTC does make a WP version of the Hima. Also, LG and Sony were rumored to be making WPs, but they never came out. Maybe they will soon enough.

15. Dastrix unregistered

That's true. I actually didn't think about that. The article says Microsoft flagship only. I'm sure the OEMs will jump in. The more the merrier!

32. joey_sfb

Posts: 6794; Member since: Mar 29, 2012

My angle is Microsoft has already given up on WP8 and are focusing resources on their new Windows 10. Why? They are hard at work updating their Android and iOS apps instead of the WP8 apps. I am sure their flagship phone will be launch with the new Windows 10. They will spend an insane amount of money to market Windows 10, their best bet to crack Android and iOS strong hold over mobile.

34. theguy2345

Posts: 1216; Member since: Jun 24, 2014

That is probably another factor. Did you see the leaked photos for the next update to windows 10 technical preview? they are really putting their all into windows 10. So they might be looking to other OEMs to fill in the gap until 10 comes out. They have had way more than enough time to launch a flagship.

35. joey_sfb

Posts: 6794; Member since: Mar 29, 2012

Of course they would be happy that OEM invest their resources in WP8 but all OEM know that Microsoft Lumia sales are not so hot themselve. So would they? To use good money to chase after bad ones which Microsoft themselve are not doing. 512mb phone are sign of them giving up high end segment of the mobile industry that also mean that they no longer view WP8 as viable means to compete with Android and iOS. It's Windows 10 all the way from now on.

12. rsiders

Posts: 1981; Member since: Nov 17, 2011

I was a day one supporter of Windows Phone when it was introduced and my first official WP was the HTC Radar.(T-mobile) Every single WP I owned after that came by way of eBay. I had to hold my breath that the next phone wouldn't be an exclusive and look at this. No apparent flagship coming anytime soon and they still made the Lumia 730 and 830 exclusives. For what reason? If you're going to take your sweet old time giving people what they want, why not at least cut this exclusive crap and get the mid range phones in as many hands as possible until you finally decide to release a real flagship? This is the real reason I left WP for Android:the already more established platforms are readily available regardless of carrier and the limited flagships released on WP were always exclusive.(the HTC One for Windows is the only flagship that can be purchased on the three major US carriers). And we're supposed to get excited about the next $80 phone? A freaking joke. My love for the platform kept me on the ecosystem for four years but I'm glad I got out when I did. WP has almost no benefits over iOS and Android and they still expect us loyal customers to wait around for what we deserve. I do miss my beloved Lumia 1020 but the Z3 is an all around great phone. I really wish the best for Microsoft. Maybe one day years later, I can feel confident about coming back to the platform but not anytime soon. Sorry for the rant. Happy Tuesday

25. elitewolverine

Posts: 5192; Member since: Oct 28, 2013

The z3 is great, love it here to play with, probably the only phone i would get right now if i was to jump ship (just got rid of my note 3). But after owning a 1020, sorry the z3 doesnt cut it for me. I can do without the lastest phone game (i use pc anyways for that or console) but man that camera and build, so hard so hard to get away from.

14. Settings

Posts: 2943; Member since: Jul 02, 2014

Sony releases two flagships in one year, people are mad for short life cycles. Samsung releases two(maybe 5, lol) flagships in one year, still mad for oversatured market. Microsoft releases flagship one a year, people still complain. WTH?!

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