Google and Oracle settlement talks fail; dispute now heads back to court

Google and Oracle settlement talks fail; dispute now heads back to court
Back in 2010, Oracle accused Google of using Java's API without licensing it from them. Google claimed that API's can't be patented and while the lower court agreed, that decision was partially reversed two years ago. Since then, the Supreme Court remanded the case back to the lower court for trial. Oracle, claiming that Google has made $22 billion from Android over the years, is seeking $9.3 billion from the search giant. Only $475 million of that figure is for actual damages, while the remaining $8.83 billion covers profits Google made from selling mobile ads and apps over Android.

With Google already announcing that it would use the open source JavaJDK with Android N, both sides decided to sit down prior to the trial to see if they could hash things out. After sitting and talking together for six hours, a settlement unfortunately could not get hammered out. No future settlement talks are scheduled.

This was actually the second attempt by Google and Oracle to settle the case out of court. But as the court pointed out after the latest settlement failure, "some cases just need to be tried." This is apparently one of them. Now, both sides will return to court next month to see which one of them can get a jury to see things in its favor.

source: BusinessInsider



1. cytyler

Posts: 24; Member since: Sep 27, 2015

Oracle is as greedy as Apple

4. joey_sfb

Posts: 6794; Member since: Mar 29, 2012

Oracle has no innovative product since people soft and their only business strategy from 2009 onwards is to sue Google for money. Plain and simple.

5. elitewolverine

Posts: 5192; Member since: Oct 28, 2013

It was their system that allowed more access to 'easy' java code that allowed its homebrew love and its dev ease of use. Java was known for its quick upcode and at the time you were not trying to run desktop level stuff, it made it quite easy. So here you have people writing in java, then using androids converter, that relied on Oracles/Java api's, code, to convert Java code into Android code. Genius, and it was specifically designed to bypass Java's licensing use. And yes in their licensing use, even if it was just api's, they had terms that google should be paying. How much is up to the crazy courts, but lets not deny that google benefited greatly off the back of Java.

2. jroc74

Posts: 6023; Member since: Dec 30, 2010

Since they arent settling.....looks like Google might have a shot to win. You only settle in a situation like this when know you dont have a chance at winning.

3. NexusKoolaid

Posts: 493; Member since: Oct 24, 2011

Even if a company has a good chance of winning a case anything can happen once a case goes to a jury. Because of this a company that's in the right will often settle to avoid the prospect of loosing a whole lot more. Personally I thing the settlement talks simply because of the laughable value Oracle has placed on the Java APIs in question.

6. elitewolverine

Posts: 5192; Member since: Oct 28, 2013

It is those APIs that allowed the quick easy rise of their app store. It allowed quick easy java code to be converted to android version, without that, google would have needed to write their own. So is it a joke to put the value of what allowed you to rise in the first place? Of course you could write in html or C, but that wasn't as portable as Java was, nor as easy to support either. Heck if it was so easy, googles own apps wouldn't have relied on java for a long time, like their core email app. And if you think Dalvik was completely 'cleanroomed' yet had Sun Engineers, with no knowledge of 'infringing' on Java is a joke. Sun approached them but couldn't reach an agreement, prior to Oracle getting the rights and then suing them. So it wasn't on a whim.

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