Galaxy S10's superior in-display finger scanner to be showcased on the Mate 20 Pro first

Galaxy S10's superior in-display finger scanner to be showcased on the Mate 20 Pro first
There are optical fingerprint readers you can tuck under the screen of a "bezel-less" phone, and then there are superior ultrasonic ones. Qualcomm's second-gen ultrasonic sensor is reportedly going to be a major selling point of Samsung's upcoming Galaxy S10, as it will reportedly be embedded in such a high-profile handset and in such mass quantities for the first time.

Granted, there are phones with in-display finger scanners on the market already, like the recent Vivo NEX with its pop-up selfie camera, but it carries under-glass reader from the Chinese firm Gudix, which is of the optical variety. 

Qualcomm's tech can work accurately through glass up to 800 microns thick, compared to 300 microns in the previous generation. The kicker is, however, is that we may see the latest ultrasonic in-display reader on the Mate 20 Pro first, as Huawei has reportedly entered a license exclusivity deal with Qualcomm until the end of February, or right around the time when the Galaxy S10 is expected to hit the tape. 

Korean media is reiterating today that Samsung will equip its midrange A-series with in-display scanners, too, but clarifies that these will be of the less precise optical variety, and supplied by Gudix whose solution is the one currently used by phones with in-screen finger readers. Thus, if we want to get a preview of how the second-gen ultrasonic biometry on the Galaxy S10 behaves, we probably need to look no further than the Mate 20 Pro release in the fall.

source: BiometricUpdateETNews (translated)

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28 Comments

1. Landon

Posts: 1248; Member since: May 07, 2015

I'm hoping these in-display fingerprint scanners are larger than your typical capacitive fingerprint scanners...occupying the lower 1/3 of the phone.

5. Atechguy0

Posts: 918; Member since: Aug 03, 2018

As long as they show you on the display where to place your fingerprint. Then it won't really matter if it takes up a much smaller size. Because putting an ultrasonic scanner that takes up 1/3 of the display would be huge. Just image you could throw some lubricant on the display and look at pregnant mothers baby with a smartphone like that one. Geez man. Besides the ultrasonic scanner cannot be fulled by using someone's lifted finger print. Remember it takes a 3D scan of your finger print. So it's much more accurate than all the other 2D finger print scanners that came before it.

11. Landon

Posts: 1248; Member since: May 07, 2015

Imagine the ease of use with a scanner that big, though. You wouldn't even have to look at your screen to unlock your phone. Right now I can do that because my Note 5 has a button that I can feel without looking at my phone. We won't be able to do such a thing with a in-screen fps since it blends in with the rest of the screen (first world problems). So if the scanner is larger, your accuracy doesn't have to be that great. My guess is that the first implementations of this scanner will be smaller (around 3/4" x 3/4"), and newer phones will only increase over time so the user doesn't have to be as accurate.

22. nodes

Posts: 1163; Member since: Mar 06, 2014

why would "wouldn't have to look at your screen" to unlock even matter? you unlock your phone to use it.

23. cmdacos

Posts: 4334; Member since: Nov 01, 2016

Because it's unlocked before you even look at it.

24. Landon

Posts: 1248; Member since: May 07, 2015

I purchased the Essential Phone a few weeks ago and returned it due to the experience I had with it. One of the issues I had was the fingerprint scanner location being on the back, as well as how flush it sat with the back of the phone. I would have to flip my phone over constantly just to locate my finger correctly so I can unlock my phone. I learned two things from that experience: 1. I will never own a phone that has a fingerprint scanner on the back. 2. I unlock my phone using my sense of touch more than visually looking at the bottom of the device.

13. lyndon420

Posts: 6898; Member since: Jul 11, 2012

I'm hoping that this tech doesn't wind up on all phones going forward. Putting a piece of duct tape over the center of my screen would be horrendous.

28. ShadowUnleashed

Posts: 88; Member since: Feb 08, 2018

Why would you want to do that tho?

25. Phullofphil

Posts: 1832; Member since: Feb 10, 2009

Nobod complain about this. This is good news. For android and apple phones. This can be one step closer to a tru bezzless phone. I hope it works well and takes those darn home buttons of the back

27. Landon

Posts: 1248; Member since: May 07, 2015

Trust me I completely agree with you. I can't wait until this tech is mainstream and not only on flagship devices, but midrangers as well. All I'm saying is that in a perfect world, a larger area would be better.

2. JMartin22

Posts: 2392; Member since: Apr 30, 2013

I don’t really care how much hardware these Chinese phones try to stuff in them. The design will always look less than iconic and the software is going to be half baked, compared to establishment Android vendors. I just don’t see the point in paying a premium for these sorts of devices. They’re a fine alternative for low to mid-ranged segments

18. GalaxyLeads_iCrapFollows

Posts: 216; Member since: Nov 29, 2017

Totally agree. Chinese makes buggy garbage. Koreans make refined high quality products. I can see the first proper implementation of this technology will be in the Galaxy S10.

20. strategic_developer

Posts: 1627; Member since: Jul 17, 2018

"Chinese makes buggy garbage" - They also make high quality products.In fact, they have gotten better thanks to competition. "Korean make refined high quality products" - LG doesn't. Hyundai still makes terrible cars, though they have improved on looks and style. There are good and bad brands in all countries. The Japanese were very big in the past with very high quality products. But even Sony has fallen from grace with their crappy Xperia phones and even the PlayStation isn't as good as it once was.

3. ALMBO6

Posts: 197; Member since: May 28, 2018

Thank you Huawei, finally something interesting. I'm tired of this Samsung nonsense with Fortnite exclusivity on the Note9.

6. Trex95

Posts: 2383; Member since: Mar 03, 2013

One of friends works with Samsung told me that the screen fingerprint company actullay owns by Samsung and Samsung gave it to few Chinese OEM’s like Huawei and other 2 OEM’s! Not sure if he’s right or just a lie.

10. DolmioMan

Posts: 346; Member since: Jan 08, 2018

Your friend is full of it.

16. strategic_developer

Posts: 1627; Member since: Jul 17, 2018

The U-FPS they are using is made by Qualcomm. Samsung has a 5% stake in Qualcomm am sure Smausng gave them nothing. They either have their own, or are using Qualcomm. Anyways, I don't care who has it first, which is just the writers attempt at more Samsung bias. "Look see, someone is gonna beat Samsung". Who cares who is first. All that matter is it works and its not some one trick pony.

4. Dr.Phil

Posts: 2488; Member since: Feb 14, 2011

Now I wonder if anyone is going to scream bias because the title makes it seem like it’s Samsung’s own technology and not a Qualcomm tech that Huawei is pioneering with the first iteration. Or do we not care because it makes Samsung look good?

8. toukale

Posts: 669; Member since: Jun 10, 2015

You can say that again. Have no idea why Samsung's name needed to be in there in the first place. The only names who should in the title are Qualcomm and Huawei. But we all know at the end of the day, we don't come to this site for its journalistic integrity. Its all about clicks and trolling the other camps. So we get what we came for.

12. Well-Manicured-Man

Posts: 715; Member since: Jun 16, 2015

I don’t come here for trolling but obviously Phonearena has a monetary interest in mobilizing trolls.

14. Subie

Posts: 2430; Member since: Aug 01, 2015

Technically, Samsung's name isn't in the title ;)

15. toukale

Posts: 669; Member since: Jun 10, 2015

@Subie - Who do you associate "Galaxy S10" with? Like iPhone is synonymous with Apple, so is Galaxy S with Samsung. No one gets confuse with those names.

19. Subie

Posts: 2430; Member since: Aug 01, 2015

I agree. And sorry, I guess the wink emoticon I placed at the end of my post wasn't enough to imply sarcastic semi-seriousness...

17. strategic_developer

Posts: 1627; Member since: Jul 17, 2018

There product is, so it really doesn't matter and its in the article itself.

7. surethom

Posts: 1731; Member since: Mar 04, 2009

Does this also mean only OLED screen can be used? Hope so my eyes can no longer stand lcd screens on phone, only OLED.

9. Humanoid

Posts: 1226; Member since: Dec 11, 2017

Does it require the screen protector to be cut again?

21. Xxtoxicskittlexx

Posts: 193; Member since: Jun 11, 2018

I don't understand the big deal. FPS on the back or front doesnt sound like such drastic improvement over user interface. Sounds more like "Look, Ma my phone has a scanner under the screen"

26. LouisMariano5

Posts: 63; Member since: Sep 22, 2014

I'm going to pass on the s10.... the on screen fingerprint scanner is only going to be in the larger 2 phones and the smaller phone (which i prefer) gets a side fingerprint scanner...? thats absolutely absurd... Why can't all 3 models have the on screen scanner... doesn't sound like innovation to me... will pass on this phone when it comes out !

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