Apple to eliminate fingerprint scanners on all 2018 models?

by Alan Friedman / Oct 12, 2017, 9:11 PM

The Apple iPhone X unlocks using Face ID

For 2017, Apple kept its Touch ID fingerprint scanner on the Apple iPhone 8 and Apple iPhone 8 Plus. The tenth anniversary model, the Apple iPhone X, doesn't employ a fingerprint scanner at all. Despite efforts to embed Touch ID under the display, Apple could not perfect the technology and focused instead on Face ID. With the front-facing TrueDepth Camera providing facial recognition capabilities, a glance at the iPhone X by the user can unlock the device and verify identification for Apple Pay.

Today, KGI Securities analyst Ming-Chi Kuo, recognized as the best Apple analyst on the planet (or at least the most connected), reiterated a comment he made last month. He predicts that Touch ID, which debuted on the Apple iPhone 5s, will go the way of the 3.5mm headphone jack with the 2018 models. The analyst says that all iPhone models to be unveiled in 2018 will come with the TrueDepth Camera and Face ID. Just a few days ago, he said that starting with next year's new models, the Apple iPad Pro will come with the TrueDepth Camera and Face ID.

Apple wasn't the first to include a fingerprint scanner on a smartphone (remember the Motorola Atrix?), but it was the first to make it work. Other manufacturers followed Apple and now 70% of Android phones to be launched next year are expected to feature a fingerprint scanner. And it appears as though Apple is leading the way again. Last week, KGI's Kuo said that Android manufacturers are shifting their focus from putting a fingerprint scanner under a phone's display, and instead they are working on developing something similar to the TrueDepth Camera so that they can offer a facial recognition system like Face ID.

There is something important to point out. There have been very few real life tests of Face ID. All of the excitement over Face ID might be considered preliminary until enough people have tested it.

source: AppleInsider

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37 Comments

1. youssef44

Posts: 547; Member since: Apr 29, 2014

oh !! I don’t hope so! I prefer Touch ID because I don’t think Face ID will be good and fast always!

posted on Oct 12, 2017, 9:17 PM 16

2. Scott93274

Posts: 6032; Member since: Aug 06, 2013

I agree with you, I think Touch ID is the way to go.

posted on Oct 12, 2017, 9:23 PM 14

4. KingSam

Posts: 1425; Member since: Mar 13, 2016

The Sad thing is android manufacturers will probably follow and ditch fps.

posted on Oct 12, 2017, 9:53 PM 0

6. cnour

Posts: 2305; Member since: Sep 11, 2014

They cannot follow, they don’t have FaceID.

posted on Oct 12, 2017, 9:55 PM 0

17. buccob

Posts: 2963; Member since: Jun 19, 2012

lol... but Windows does with "Hello"... and it is basically a Kinect, there are several ways to implement a good Face recognition... I have to say that Fingerprint Scanners are best for phones, and Face scanners are best for laptops.... Apple has it completely backwards... For me, my XZ + Surface Book is the best combo in that regard.

posted on Oct 12, 2017, 11:32 PM 8

28. mootu

Posts: 1500; Member since: Mar 16, 2017

"They cannot follow, they don’t have FaceID" It's Apple who's followijng, Honor had 3D facial recognition on the Honor Magic in early 2017.

posted on Oct 13, 2017, 4:22 AM 1

29. logicsdude

Posts: 83; Member since: Jun 25, 2014

They don't have touchID either, but androids have facial recognition, Iris recognition, and fingerprint scanners. Apple didn't do anything new, they just pushed facial recognition-only

posted on Oct 13, 2017, 6:07 AM 1

30. Sammy_DEVIL737

Posts: 1529; Member since: Nov 28, 2016

Yup they can't coz they are coming up with under screen FPS.

posted on Oct 13, 2017, 7:23 AM 0

10. Scott93274

Posts: 6032; Member since: Aug 06, 2013

I hope you're wrong.

posted on Oct 12, 2017, 10:21 PM 3

15. sgodsell

Posts: 7204; Member since: Mar 16, 2013

The thing is fps are real cheap nowadays. Well except for the patents and license crap. But putting that aside. If the under the screen finger print scanner arrives next year. Then Android OEMs will go that route for sure, especially when the demos showed the finger print scanner working under water, or with dirty fingers. Then that will be faster and more reliable than what we currently have now for finger print scanners. In other words Apple might have perfected their fps to a point, but look at this article. I would love to see Qualcomms new scanner on new smartphones. I think Apple won't be using Qualcomms new scanners, because Apple has been biting the hand that feeds them. www.engadget.com/amp/2017/06/28/vivo-qualcomm-under-display-fingerprint-reader/

posted on Oct 12, 2017, 11:27 PM 3

31. treypoundz

Posts: 65; Member since: Sep 05, 2017

Samsung uses iris scanner. N they have stated they are not ditching the finger print scanner just yet. They are still trying to get it under the screen 1st.

posted on Oct 13, 2017, 9:33 AM 0

33. uncle_gadget

Posts: 1050; Member since: Sep 20, 2017

Samsung didn't and likely won't.

posted on Oct 13, 2017, 11:28 AM 0

5. cnour

Posts: 2305; Member since: Sep 11, 2014

One month and everything will be clear......

posted on Oct 12, 2017, 9:54 PM 0

16. sgodsell

Posts: 7204; Member since: Mar 16, 2013

Qualcomms new ultrasonic finger print scanner is going further then Apple went. Especially when it can work under water, or with dirty fingers, and it cannot be faked using a copy of someone's finger print.

posted on Oct 12, 2017, 11:29 PM 7

34. uncle_gadget

Posts: 1050; Member since: Sep 20, 2017

Yep in a month we will find out how error prone face id is, and that Apple's demo failed as we stated it did and you all will be on the defensive.

posted on Oct 13, 2017, 11:31 AM 0

7. cncrim

Posts: 1586; Member since: Aug 15, 2011

Face ID haven’t test yet, give it benifit of a doubt won’t you? I would love to that OEM give us option to choose which future to use. So far I love Touch ID, it serve me well.

posted on Oct 12, 2017, 9:56 PM 0

8. mikehunta727 unregistered

I think Face ID will work well and fast and all that and may offer some convicence over Touch IDi in some scenarios and be disadvantageous in some but I'd still like to have both.

posted on Oct 12, 2017, 10:04 PM 1

35. uncle_gadget

Posts: 1050; Member since: Sep 20, 2017

Sounds like you want a Galaxy, yet you despise Samsung.

posted on Oct 13, 2017, 11:32 AM 0

36. mikehunta727 unregistered

"despise Samsung." I despise Samsung so much that I bought multiple smartphones and used multiple smartphones from them in the past, makes sense.. the Note 8 could very well be my next device tbh though, it's the best made hardware this year imo. XL 2 or Note 8 is what I am deciding on currently but leaning towards the Note 8,

posted on Oct 13, 2017, 2:50 PM 0

3. Mr.Pussy

Posts: 348; Member since: Feb 16, 2017

Now I can picture Timmy drop his jaw and coffee when he first saw Samsung Iris Scanner lol. Back to the table boys we got works to do. Yes I rather have touch ID myself. I am waiting for Note9 for the front finger print.

posted on Oct 12, 2017, 9:52 PM 4

9. aspleme

Posts: 30; Member since: May 18, 2014

Apple is leading the way? Um... Yes, they may be refining the technology... but it's hard to lead when you're 2 years behind.

posted on Oct 12, 2017, 10:14 PM 3

11. UnlimitedSkye03

Posts: 290; Member since: Apr 27, 2012

So Apple engineers can't make the under glass fingerprint sensor to work so they're just ditching it with a freakin' faceID. :|

posted on Oct 12, 2017, 10:24 PM 10

22. Chuck007

Posts: 1410; Member since: Mar 02, 2014

That's exactly why I hope they'd stop being the industry leader. Android makers are following their lead and it's systematically making the smartphone market anti-consumer.

posted on Oct 13, 2017, 1:25 AM 1

12. LanjaKodaka

Posts: 219; Member since: Sep 27, 2016

I'm happy with touch ID. I don't want that lame duck facial crap feature.

posted on Oct 12, 2017, 10:37 PM 2

13. Cyberchum

Posts: 1034; Member since: Oct 24, 2012

You'd be amazed, or not, what 'courage' makes one do. Apple seems to have truckloads of it lately. Go Apple, go!

posted on Oct 12, 2017, 10:46 PM 0

14. Feanor

Posts: 1346; Member since: Jun 20, 2012

I'm very suspicious against FaceID. When I use the face unlock feature of any of my Android devices, there are two big problems that influence its accuracy; challenging lighting conditions and angle between face and handset (basically we hold our phones in a way that they face our chin rather our face). Of course Apple claims that they have taken care of these issues with the deployment of infrared and 3D scanning, but I doubt if these measurements will work 100% of the time. What happens e.g. when you want to unlock your phone while facing elsewhere? E.g. people unlock their phones all the time while driving. It's already dangerous enough using your phone while driving, imagine how much more dangerous it would be to have to bring the phone to your face all the time while driving.

posted on Oct 12, 2017, 11:25 PM 0

18. rj_78

Posts: 74; Member since: Sep 11, 2014

The only reason for me to skip iphone x from iphone 6 is lack touch id.

posted on Oct 12, 2017, 11:44 PM 1

19. MaryPoopins

Posts: 324; Member since: Jan 15, 2015

Face unlock is retarded. Adding an extra step to unlocking your phone isn't making things easier. Face unlock requires you to grab the phone (At this point phones with fingerprint scanners have now unlocked), hold it up unnaturally and THEN swipe !! Way to innovate !!

posted on Oct 12, 2017, 11:53 PM 2

20. Mr.mobile

Posts: 130; Member since: Mar 09, 2017

Things to improve even in iphone X -costly should be $750 -3.5MM jack world se not ready yet far wirless -USB type C port far fast data transfer 20gb per sec -12W 5.2V-2.4A charger in a box atleast -battery life should be improve more like Wifi upto 20Hours LTE upto 18Hours Videoplay back 18Hours