All 2018 iPhones likely to come with Face ID, but Apple still working on under-display fingerprint recognition

All of the new iPhones that Apple will unveil in 2018 are likely to come with Face ID, according to a new report by one of the most knowledgeable analysts in the industry, Ming-Chi Kuo from KGI Securities.

The analyst explains that Apple is allegedly still working on an under-display fingerprint solution for future iPhones, but it still encounters various technological hurdles.

Interestingly, Kuo also says that Face ID with the TrueDepth camera is likely to come to all 2018 iPhones, including the expected upgrades to the iPhone 8 and iPhone 8 Plus. Kuo does not clarify whether this means that the upgrades to the 8 and the 8 Plus will come with a bezel-less screen like the one on the iPhone X.

Currently, the whole under-display fingerprint endeavor faces its biggest challenges from Apple's 3D Touch panel. That additional 3D Touch layer makes the whole screen thicker and reduces the accuracy of scans via an under-display finger scanner.

Overall, though, the report makes it sound as if the future of Apple's 2018 iPhones is not decided just yet and depends a lot on customer's reaction to Face ID.

The iPhone X goes on pre-order on October 27th and it will be available in stores on November 3rd, so that's when Apple will start receiving that valuable customer feedback.

source: 9to5Mac



1. poptart574

Posts: 223; Member since: Feb 29, 2016

Vivo will perfect it before anyone I bet.

7. ibend2

Posts: 159; Member since: Mar 16, 2016

It's actually qualcomm who make and develope that on-screen FPscanner, and when qualcomm perfected it, it will be available for all manufacturers including apple

12. buccob

Posts: 2975; Member since: Jun 19, 2012

but apple doesn't use qualcomm...

13. yann

Posts: 614; Member since: Jul 15, 2010

Since when? What is Apple CPU? It is based on Qualcomm cores - developed and researched by Qualcomm. Even A11 is based on it. Also gsm modems inside - nomatter who is the actual manifacturer, the know how is based on Qualcomm patents.

16. cheetah2k

Posts: 2271; Member since: Jan 16, 2011

Has anyone tried unlocking with a printed face photo yet - I bet it unlocks the phone too easy

19. mikehunta727 unregistered

What device you talking about

20. Nabil111

Posts: 105; Member since: Apr 14, 2014

some crap about "liveness detection" which might be a combination of infrared (is it a warm human) and blinking eyes. To me, its still only just a bit more complicated than fooling the other facial recognition systems, just get a pic of someone, breath on it(or heat it up some other way), cut holes in the eyes and wear it like a mask and blink a little.

18. mikehunta727 unregistered

That's just completly wrong. A11 is not one bit based on Qualcomm cores. Apple makes their own custom cores that is designed by them. Why would Apple use inferior Qualcomm CPU design? They are ahead of Qualcomm. Qualcomm uses reference design from ARM for their cores Only thing that is Qualcomm in iPhones is the cellular modem

2. toukale

Posts: 646; Member since: Jun 10, 2015

I am pretty sure the fingerprint is gone forever from iPhones. Unless faceid have a catastrophic first 6 months where it's failing for everyone left and right it's not coming back. I am assuming Apple is still working on it for a worst case scenario kind of thing.

3. KeyserSoze

Posts: 387; Member since: Oct 06, 2014

"Apple still working on under-display fingerprint recognition" Uh huh, sure. More like Apple is waiting to buy the under-glass fps from Samsung and then steal the credit by claiming it's "designed by Apple".

8. ibend2

Posts: 159; Member since: Mar 16, 2016

No, They develop their own FPscanner from scratch, didn't you see their on-screen FPscanner demonstration at iPhone X event? /s

21. Nabil111

Posts: 105; Member since: Apr 14, 2014

Maybe they won't actually make the first one, but I bet there's a patent out there for some generic under-screen fingerprint reader Apple is waiting on someone to accidentally "trample on" and force them to co-license the patent and technology to them haha

4. Back_from_beyond

Posts: 1438; Member since: Sep 04, 2015

If Face ID is so superior to Touch ID as Apple has claimed, why bother bringing it back?

5. AxelFoley unregistered

I remember people saying that the in-screen FPS is now obsolete. But, that was way back 9 days ago.

9. ibend2

Posts: 159; Member since: Mar 16, 2016

Because "courage"

17. gehrig

Posts: 423; Member since: Apr 17, 2014

Two-step verification.

6. kryme

Posts: 469; Member since: Oct 24, 2013

Hopefully the under screen fingerprint come next year.... my next phone has to have that...

10. Cat97

Posts: 1930; Member since: Mar 02, 2017

So basically, as we knew since like 2 months ago, iPhone X is a $1000 unfinished product because Apple didn't have enough time to perfect the under-display fingerprint sensor. The Face ID is a compromise that will probably never be as good as the fingerprint sensor.

11. HansP

Posts: 542; Member since: Oct 16, 2011

Let's just hope they'll revert back from that deflated notifications bar. Worst design decision ever.

14. monoke

Posts: 1172; Member since: Mar 14, 2015

3 simple steps to unlock! Wow! Apple has revolutionized the industry yet again!

15. therealestmc

Posts: 679; Member since: Jul 23, 2012

Touch ID is coming back next year to the most premium. I can see a use case for both.

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