Spotted on AnTuTu: Samsung Galaxy S7 edge (SM-G935A) might have a 5.1" display, 12MP camera
2. pmsap (Posts: 78; Member since: 26 May 2015)
Hell yeah!! Let's go for the big pixel size not the big MP count!!
10. seret6 (Posts: 141; Member since: 14 Aug 2013)
Where is the 4k screen?
When will 4k resolution phones become mainstream?
18. Wiencon (Posts: 1719; Member since: 06 Aug 2014)
Hopefully not before human's eyes get replaced by some futuristic implants with 99x zoom
29. Landon (Posts: 375; Member since: 07 May 2015)
The only benefit in my opinion for this is for VR reasons. You definitely get a screen door effect on the Gear VR. They could easily make a premium S7 with a 4K display though for those who want it.
40. Bm888 (Posts: 390; Member since: 06 Jul 2015)
MP do count in camera resolutions and lossless zooming.. Wchever Samsung chooses hope it does tackle that.. In terms of 4k note 6 is the phablet to look for having it.. And if successful.. Future Sammy flagships
54. mayur007 (Posts: 562; Member since: 10 Apr 2012)
But big pixels with big mp makes a grt combo
6. bambamboogy02 (Posts: 502; Member since: 23 Jun 2012)
Bigger pixels = better image, not the megapixels which is just the size of the picture.
14. rd_nest (Posts: 1578; Member since: 06 Jun 2010)
Difference was that HTC made a mess with the camera software. The dynamic range was terrible, it produced images with pink hue and overexposed like hell.
Also don't forget HTC was using 4MP, this is 12MP, more than enough for 99% of use case.
15. joeytaylor (Posts: 386; Member since: 28 Feb 2015)
HTC has software issues. ..not that they were pursuing the wrong camera
37. TyrionLannister (unregistered)
And hardware too. They were using cheap lenses with M7 and the module had overheating which produced pink tint.
M8 had cheap lens cover(not even tempered glass) which scratched up way too easily. Also the software was terrible.
42. marorun (Posts: 2918; Member since: 30 Mar 2015)
And my old HTC M7 using Camera FV-5 take amazing picture as good as newer flagship ( beside zooming and opening on very big screen i admit )
Also DSLR camera even at 12 mp can beat many smartphone with 20 mpix camera.
So yeah sensor size is more important than mpix.
45. elitewolverine (Posts: 5018; Member since: 28 Oct 2013)
dslr also are using lens that a phone simply will never match. Until they make my concept phone that is.
Point being that there is a range where it all has to come together. for this to be truly effective you need a larger sensor. At this point its just another minor update. An update it is though.
And also MP has details, details that no matter the software cannot deny.
Here is the result of the note 5 on left in its 16MP jpeg, vs the 38MP file from the 1020 on the right.
Equa distance, that is the headlight of a charger, and license plate of Toyota behind it. The last pic is the full pic from the 1520 (did a comparo between the 3 some time ago).
Also the one on right, the 1020, is in dng format and hasn't been adjusted yet like a jpeg is.
So while the 1020 is a special case, there is still advantages to more mp. And it comes down to pure details that the sensor will pick up.
56. almostdone (Posts: 231; Member since: 25 Sep 2012)
Has Terrible Camera
Probably a combination of cheap optics, bad software and hasn't got a clue about cameras.
Samsung on the other hand is the opposite. They have a fantastic track record and with each iteration the camera quality has improved. This will be no different for the S7.
12. Dee79 (Posts: 280; Member since: 19 Jun 2014)
The more megapixels the better the quality of the image at a larger scale. But hey, 99.99% of smartphone users don't need no more than 8 megapixels (if that) as they only use it for fb, instagram etc.
4. Supraman21 (Posts: 292; Member since: 09 Jun 2010)
I really hope not. That extra resolution really makes photos pop and look great. Also I really don't want to give up 16x9 thats as that is the aspect ratio of all the devices I view my photos from.
9. TyrionLannister (unregistered)
Who said it's not going to be 16:9? It's supposed to be a custom Samsung sensor. Galaxy alpha was 12 MP too and it was 16:9.
Besides, a great 12 MP is better than a good 16 MP. Nexus 6P has almost the same level of detail as S6/Note 5. This camera should be much better than 6P as bigger pixels, RBW and OIS will improve SNR(signal-to-noise ratio).
12 MP should have more details than S6's 16 MP. Also remember than even great cameras like Sony A7sII are 12 MP.
13. Macready (Posts: 811; Member since: 08 Dec 2014)
And equally great cameras like the A7RII have 42MP. In other words, it's not that simple.
An S6 shot in RAW with enough light, will outresolve a 12MP sensor, all else being equal.
It's's the read noise that will most likely make a visible difference in really low light, if there is any. Quantum efficiency probably won't be far apart, just like the A7RII and A7SII are similar in this regard, despite a factor 3.5 difference in pixel size.
21. Macready (Posts: 811; Member since: 08 Dec 2014)
Forgot to add, the largest benefit can be expected in video mode, with less/no crop in 4K, full pixel read out. That should give benefits regarding sharpness (less artifacts) and noise (larger area read out).
22. talon95 (Posts: 427; Member since: 31 Jul 2012)
But will it outresolve a 12MP sensor with 'super-resolution'?
And don't say it's not all equal then, because with 16MP you couldn't take as many duplicate exposures because for the same processing power it would never be possible. Less noise in the image and better super sampling might actually make up the difference to make it superior in all regards. I want overall quality to be maximized, not just maximum resolution with maximum noise.
24. Macready (Posts: 811; Member since: 08 Dec 2014)
For super resolution mode, the only potential bottleneck with more MP is buffer depth and processing power. These phones can handle >10 fps at 20MP in terms of RAW processing power and have huge buffers, as also witnessed in pano stitching modes. So no, 16MP super resolution modes will hold more data here too, all else being equal. Whether much usable data, will depend on the lens and processing, but certainly not less.
36. talon95 (Posts: 427; Member since: 31 Jul 2012)
I suppose with enough light and buffer space that may be true. But as light diminishes pixel size will become critical.
23. TyrionLannister (unregistered)
Actually not as diffraction effects will be more than enough. No matter the amount of light, but the pixels in S6 are too small to resolve all the pixels. The nearby pixels are merged together somewhat.
25. Macready (Posts: 811; Member since: 08 Dec 2014)
Diffraction is not a brick wall, it gives us diminishing teturns, not LESS returns. Which is why those phones using a 20MP Sony sensor can resolve more, even if only in the center, than 16MP, let alone 12MP variants. Also, keep in mind we're talking about interpolated (Bayer) results. Even if there's not more usable resolution, there's more color information to prevent/reduce artifacts at the same output size.
26. TyrionLannister (unregistered)
Diminishing results are diminishing when you use same sensor with same technology. I expect the SNR to improve drastically.
And Nexus 6P has same amount of detail as S6/Note 5 which have the same as Moto X. This camera will definitely resolve more than 6P. So.....
28. Macready (Posts: 811; Member since: 08 Dec 2014)
The Moto X play/style (etc) resolves more than any of the others in its class outdoors (larger distance, close up charts put of different lens constraints and requirements), despite the lens being a hair wider FL and most comparisons shooting the same object from the same distance...
44. marorun (Posts: 2918; Member since: 30 Mar 2015)
Macready in fact its thats simple.
the 12 mp from sony is better than any smartphone even pureview 808 from nokia is beaten.
They use same technology with bigger sensor on the 42 mp one thats all.
Noise is all about the size of your sensor and pixel the smaller the pixel and sensor the more problem you will encounter.
Technology can help but technology on bigger sensor with bigger pixel will help even more.
47. elitewolverine (Posts: 5018; Member since: 28 Oct 2013)
No....here is the note 5 against a 1020, full 16mp vs full 38mp file. These are extreme zoom ins. The 1020 has more detail in every single zoom.
Note on left, 1020 right.
In both the 1020 has more detail, even down to the fact that you can see the internal lens lines on the 1020, the note? looks like a single piece.
This will happen time and time again, MP matter, quality matters, sensor quality matters, software matters, lens matter, it all matters...
However, I will always choose my 1020 for details over my note 5, z3, iPhone etc....ALWAYS
51. Macready (Posts: 811; Member since: 08 Dec 2014)
No, for the same generation sensor, in practice pixel size has very little correlation with image noise (not to be confused with pixel level noise) at a given output size. Proven by countless comparisons and measurements, see for example www.sensorgen.info.
For the same f stop and shutterspeed, sensor size matters a lot, but again a few percent won't make a large difference on the logarithmic EV scale. One stop of extra light will make a visible difference but requires a doubling of sensor area, ceteris paribus. And that's what we won't see.
17. SYSTEM_LORD (Posts: 315; Member since: 05 Oct 2015)
They both play a role is how good a camera is, not just one or the other. Same thing goes when it comes to form factor (thinness) and battery capacity. A balance is better than a huge swing in either direction.
27. zeeBomb (Posts: 1734; Member since: 14 Aug 2014)
The Lanny's have spoke again. I agree 100%.
35. TyrionLannister (unregistered)
no. Megapixels have nothing to do with aspect ratio.
Galaxy alpha(12 MP): 16:9.
Any 12 MP DSLR: 3:2
Nexus 6P(12 MP): 4:3.
46. Khyron (Posts: 53; Member since: 28 Sep 2015)
I hope samsung can get rid of this old fashion center button
Why not locate the fingerprint scanner under display even before apple Make it
And add some love with sterero speakers
Build a Non slippery back a must
S6 edge is a very slippery device
16. rd_nest (Posts: 1578; Member since: 06 Jun 2010)
"extra resolution really makes photos pop..."
eh? What are you talking about mate??
30. Supraman21 (Posts: 292; Member since: 09 Jun 2010)
Although 8 megapixels is 4k, when you view a picture that is greater than the resolution of the screen you are viewing it on it gets down sampled and becomes sharper than just a regular 8 megapixel picture. I'm more than satisfied with the contrast, colors, and other attributes of today's camera but the resolution and clarity is what really strikes out to me in a picture.
5. Landon (Posts: 375; Member since: 07 May 2015)
I wonder if they will keep a similar footprint compared to their flagships of 2015 to make it compatible with the Gear VR (which is flipping amazing btw).
7. TyrionLannister (unregistered)
This camera is gonna kill everything else, if this rumor is true. 1/2" with 12 MP means ultrapixel grade pixel size(1.8 micron pixels). Add to that Samsung's image processing, OIS and RBW pixels(3 dB sensitivity improvement).
48. elitewolverine (Posts: 5018; Member since: 28 Oct 2013)
I am still waiting for the note 5 to beat my 1020 ;) video is a different story, but in pure picture prowess...I will always choose the 1020. Speed is not important for nearly 80% of my shots, if I need speed, will put out the 1520.
the details from the 1020 on the right, screen grab before any processing is done on the raw...is beyond the note 5's ability. This is what matters to me the most. And why I choose it always in a photo opp. That or my dslr, but I don't feel like lugging that around vs lugging my 1020 as an afterthought
52. maccess (Posts: 742; Member since: 16 Jan 2013)
I think the 1020 only beat the note5 in resolution.. for dynamic range , white balance and everything else the note 5 is better.. not everyone will always zoom in their photos..
53. TyrionLannister (unregistered)
You are stupid if you expect note 5 to match 1020. 1020 is a camera with phone qualitites.
I honestly don't care as 1020 is too slow and it's video is crap.
57. elitewolverine (Posts: 5018; Member since: 28 Oct 2013)
You said everything else, video isn't crap, not amazing but its 1080p does just fine.
At the end of the day, for great shots every camera is slow as you 'line it up'. Action shots are still planned even on street performers, there is maybe 2-5% need for a camera to be absolutely fast.
Not saying the Note 5 is crap, what I am saying - there is no replacement for displacement...hence the picture showing how much detail more MP can capture.
58. TyrionLannister (unregistered)
It's not more MP. The sensor on 1020 is almost 4 times as big. I can show 20 MP DSLRs getting more detail than 1020, so it's definitely not more megapixels.
More megapixels only help if the sensor size increases too. I don't usually zoom my pics much, so anything above 10 MP works. I can even do with an 8 MP if it looks great. I'm not going to zoom 200% inside a pic, not even 100% crops as I see them downscale to my monitor's res in full screen, which is closer to 2-3.5 MP (1080p or 1440p).
There is an approach for more detail(cram more MP), and another way is for higher quality with less MP. Bigger pixels provide more DR, more sensitivity and have less noise. It's a personal preference. There are 50 MP DSLRs and 12 MP ones on the same full frame format, catering to different tastes.
Shutter lag is annoying. I hate if a phone takes 5 seconds to take a shot. Saying that's fine is like saying laggy ad stuttery phones are fine as they only delay the actual tasks by a fraction of second. It's about the user experience and lag is frustrating.
59. elitewolverine (Posts: 5018; Member since: 28 Oct 2013)
When I take a picture, I click, and then pull down to look at the shot. For every good/great shot I get on my 1020....I need usually 2x to 3x the shots on another device, including my Note5 or even my 1520. I can deal with lag if it means a great shot. Since most of my shots, not yours or anyone elses, mine are 85% setup...this 'lag' means nothing.
Also MP means more details, while the sensor SIZE and LENS matter. At the end of the day, MP is what sees the details, it's what translates what you see into pixels. More pixels, more details. There is no other way around it. It is also why they call it lossless zoom...they are basically saying zoom in 3x without loosing details, and if I do that....we can see in my posted pictures that my 1020 is simply capturing more details.
Now there is a difference of quality, a 1in sensor will have a easier time capturing details than a 1/2 sensor...etc.
Also where do you get that the 1020 sensor is 4times as large as the note 5's? http://www.allaboutsymbian.com
the note 5 is a 1/2.5 and the 1020 is a 1/1.5...while much larger not 4times...unless my math is off in my head...
I know dslr's I use them regularly, I own 2, and they will always take better photos when setup right, but that is more due to other factors.
60. TyrionLannister (unregistered)
I said almost 4 times. Note 5 has 1/2.6" sensor. That's about (2.6/1.5)^2 = 3.006 times larger than note 5. I didn't calculate much but yeah, it's way larger.
As I said, it's about preferences. 1020 just suits you. It won't suit me or some other users as much as you. You can't say 1020 is better as it may be worse for me. I just want to take family pictures and vacation pics. My S6 is kinda overkill in most cases. Sometimes I have to take pics from a moving vehicle on bumpy roads and sometimes multiple shots in succession. For those cases, 1020 is bad.
61. elitewolverine (Posts: 5018; Member since: 28 Oct 2013)
In those situations it would be ok, not ideal, it has ois, it has mulitshot and face swap and moving object removal. but I can see where it would suit you and need to take 15 shots to take that one good shot while in a moving car and so the quick note 5, or iphone etc would be better.
However, I use the note 5 a lot, its great, and takes great pics on the go, I have never complained about its quality. I sell people on it all the time. However...when push comes to shove...my 1020 is the go to...or even my 1520 since its my daily driver. I have kinda given up on the z3, its good, but takes second fiddle to the others.
Math is still off to me...1020 has a sensor area of 51.84mm² and note 5 ~24-25mm² (using the 1/2.5 sensor size)...im still only getting 2x the sensor size.
11. abdoualgeria (Posts: 295; Member since: 27 Jul 2015)
Looks like unlike previous years, most rumors are leaking out the details on different prototypes and has no concrete information on the final selection (Except Exynos 8 or SD820/4GB RAM/Quad HD display.. as these are a sort of norm to expect). For Samsung, its good news as more stories are getting published and discussed and causing a stronger buildup towards the release.
19. carlemillward (unregistered)
S7 has a 5.17 inch display but every website rounds it to either 5.1 or 5.2. Does not really matter though.
20. Wiencon (Posts: 1719; Member since: 06 Aug 2014)
Gotta love Sammy for not going into 5.5 inch displays.
Please release Alpha 2 ;_;
32. Ronniebthephonedog (Posts: 2; Member since: 23 Sep 2015)
I love the idea of a 5.1 flagship. I HATE bigg phones. I will NOT buy one. I will drop down in quality before that happens
38. Loubielou (Posts: 496; Member since: 11 Jul 2012)
The Back of this phone looks curved at both sides and looks as though is could be removable,so will Samsung be bring back the removable battery option as well?phone looks a lot bulkier than the S6 was
39. shield (Posts: 200; Member since: 12 Sep 2015)
I hope you will take pictures and 16:9 somehow apple 4:3.
50. chocowii (Posts: 432; Member since: 30 Jan 2014)
Doesnt matter. Most pictures are taken and will be posted to Instagram thus cropping.