Google's successes and disappointments with the Nexus/Ice Cream Sandwich announcement
23. tooBADtooSAD posted on 19 Oct 2011, 00:34 2 3
SCREWED UP! No exynos and instead stuck with an OLD HAG WAG gpu the 540 HA! I'd be scared to run quadrant compared to the gs2.
33. maxican16 posted on 19 Oct 2011, 00:50 2 1
Definitely the biggest letdown of the event. Only hope now is for ICS multi-core optimization to save the day. We'll see. Would've been in a class of it's own with the 4470's GPU.. too bad Google couldn't pull that off.
41. maxican16 posted on 19 Oct 2011, 01:02 2 0
Just read ICS supports hardware acceleration by default! There's still a good chance this is the fastest phone yet!
53. firelightx posted on 19 Oct 2011, 03:07 2 0
Except that ICS is one of the first times that Android has actually natively supported a Dual Core Processor OR Hardware Acceleration... aka the first time an Android phone has ever actually taken advantage of the hardware thrust upon it.
Kinda like how the 4s runs an 800mHz but is so well optimized for it that you wouldn't know it.
You guys get waaaay too worked up about hardware, you seem to always forget that hardware is nothing without good software to make use of it.
2. GoodFella posted on 18 Oct 2011, 23:52 14 0
Yes, a couple lets downs, but a really cleaned up OS with some great Improvements. Again, I still think their integration of NFC was awesome, and I am excited to see what developers will do with it.
I am very Excited for Android and the strides its made.
28. ledbetterp3 posted on 19 Oct 2011, 00:38 2 0
Same here, can't wait to see what developers do with it, and when it will come to phones with previous android software!
71. ayephoner posted on 19 Oct 2011, 08:41 1 0
michael, good write up.
i too thought the entire thing was a bit awkward, but that seems fitting for android. there was some key info that was lacking, but nothing we wont find out in next couple weeks.
the thing that gets me is the obsession of android and their fans with apple. early in the announcement, it was said (i paraphrase), "we've really taken steps forward, it is easy to streamline if you dont take any risks or make any real upgrades". and then the first post in the comments section is just one of hundreds on PA every day bashing apple in an unrelated article.
74. protozeloz posted on 19 Oct 2011, 08:46 0 0
Yes, the event lacked depth, we wanted to know more... I was expecting an IO like event..... but I guess will find out about more details soon, ICS looks really nice and had a mayor complain gone (finally!!!!!)
and yeah but moderation will take care of it =)
81. remixfa posted on 19 Oct 2011, 09:27 1 0
"playing to the crowd".
after all the back n forth between apple and google/google partners in and out of court, there is nothing wrong with cracking a few jokes.
besides, your being a bit disengenuous.. the ibots on this site are just as guilty if not more. taco has been baiting users into fights since the iOS5 event, the boards are filled with comments being thumbed down just for saying something nice about android even it has nothing to do with iOS (gee i wonder who does that), and the guy complaining about all this has gotten into fanboy wars quite often. your on an android thread, with an iOS name and picture, whining about fanboy mudslinging when your a part of it.
Whats next? taco and gallito crying that they get thumbed down too much? lol
97. Ivan6479 posted on 19 Oct 2011, 15:19 0 0
107. DigitalJedi_X1 posted on 20 Oct 2011, 09:46 0 0
You mean the same way you Apple fans bash Android everyday on this site in unrelated articles?
3. doubler86 posted on 18 Oct 2011, 23:55 4 8
Really Phone Arena? Were you even watching? They said the screen size in the presentation. 4.65 inch curved and the resolution is 1280x720p, I was watching it live and they covered that part. Very clearly.
4. MichaelHeller posted on 19 Oct 2011, 00:00 14 8
Come on, man. As I said in the article, I may have been wrong, and I was. Thanks for the note, but try being civil next time. We're human here at PhoneArena, sometimes we get things wrong. We're happy to fix it when we do, and I've fixed that mistake, but that doesn't give you license to be a jerk.
18. maxican16 posted on 19 Oct 2011, 00:21 7 6
Perhaps if you weren't bashing the announcement in most all of your write up mere minutes after the release of the most ambitious Android OS update...
Honestly, too much cool stuff in ICS to ALREADY be bashing on a supposedly neutral site like this. Just sayin'.
25. iwebdroidberry7 posted on 19 Oct 2011, 00:36 4 19
Android beam (webOS)
Camera shortcut (WP)
Photo editing (iOS)
Folders UI (iOS)
People App (Blatant rip off of WP)
Face detection unlock (Ovi)
Swiping apps away in multitasking (WP)
Virtual Buttons (iOS)
Panoramic camera (WP)
I hope PA does a ICS copycat article like they did with iOS5
29. maxican16 posted on 19 Oct 2011, 00:38 2 5
Hahaha, thx for the laugh.
37. MichaelHeller posted on 19 Oct 2011, 00:55 5 1
Yeah, we covered all of that already:http://www.phonearena.com/news
52. RORYREVOLUTION posted on 19 Oct 2011, 03:03 8 1
Cry to someone else over your dead OS. Android is is the future. Apple, Microsoft, Webos have all copied each other and from android. You're just mad that your webos is dead and blackberry can't even begin to compete. Android is the best OS there is, get over it.
60. protozeloz posted on 19 Oct 2011, 07:55 3 2
OK lets see your claims
-Android beam (webOS)
Can you point out a webos device that uses NFC to share?
-Camera shortcut (WP)
Windows phone uses long press on the camera button to tootgle camera and also sense and touchwiz had it
-Photo editing (iOS)
It was introduced on IOS5 whereas Samsung had this on touchwiz
-People App (Blatant rip off of WP)
Peoples app looks similar to WP
Face detection unlock (Ovi)
when you say OVI do you know ovi is an app store not an OS?
-Swiping apps away in multitasking (WP)
Swiping apps for multi task is part of WEBOS WP took a similar aproach, with the WEBOS brain working for google what you expect?
Virtual Buttons (iOS)
-Panoramic camera (WP)
Panoramic was on touchwizz.....
-Folders UI (iOS)
Folders where on android to organize apps .... apple took it and made their "teaks to folder" still looks different than IOS
I hope PA does a ICS copycat article like they did with iOS5
please refrain to the article
77. testman22 posted on 19 Oct 2011, 08:51 3 0
Even if android is copying certain features, is that such a bad thing? Ive always said to myself id love to have an OS that brings the best feature of ios, webos, android, and windows 7. I was thinking about jumping ship to iphone, but ICS has brought me back to my senses with its depth of functionality. IOS 5 is STILL a glorified app launcher
82. remixfa posted on 19 Oct 2011, 09:31 0 1
you do realize that android has had folders since 1.5 it was just a slight redesign.
virtual buttons have been in existance for decades.. lol
never before have they been dedicated virtual buttons that activate/deactivate contextually
the camera features have been on samsung phones for a while
the people app looks like a blatant rip off for sure, but it does have a lot of functionality that wp7 doesnt.
the wp7 camera shortcut is much different, and its already in existance on certain android phones.. its just now being brought to the main UI.
no other device has ever done what android beam does.
what is an Ovi OS?? lol.. u mean symbian?
85. taz89 posted on 19 Oct 2011, 09:49 0 1
photo editing was on nokia smartphones even before iphone existed,there have been virtual buttoms on android before ICS,face detection has existed before on other platforms.....lol funniest that you think apple created built in photo editing
87. remixfa posted on 19 Oct 2011, 12:16 0 1
im sure photoshop will say something about that.. lol
or even windows.. windows Paint!! lol
91. maxican16 posted on 19 Oct 2011, 12:53 0 1
The most comical part of iwebdroid's post is the fact that he stayed up late, watched the ENTIRE video feed, then posted all this nonsense when (as per MH's linked article) the debate of who stole what from whom is a complete waste of time. The title of that article is straight from Jobs' mouth. A very thorough iProgramming you have displayed... title of iBot awarded to you sir. Jobs, well done.
112. mikerouche posted on 23 Oct 2011, 09:51 0 0
google did not steal face unlock from anyone, they bought a company called PittPat which had been working on facial recognition. camera shortcut? im pretty sure all OS's have some ort of shortcut to get to their camera. name a webOS device with NFC technology? virtual buttons stolen from ios? what are you smoking. photo editing was on touch wiz before IOS5 came out.
27. MichaelHeller posted on 19 Oct 2011, 00:38 5 8
I said nothing bad about ICS. In fact, I said a number of quite positive things about ICS. The point of the article was more about the announcement itself and how it could have been better.
31. maxican16 posted on 19 Oct 2011, 00:42 6 5
Never said you said anything bad about ICS, just failed to point out how fantastic an update it appears to be (which, IMO, should be the focal point). The announcement was customary and really only a means to an end.. the release of ICS.
40. jldleo posted on 19 Oct 2011, 01:01 6 4
Seems like you struggled to find flaws in the presentation to take away from what was presented. Apple did it the other way around, good presentation just didn't present much. "The biggest disappointment was the overall lack of specificity". This was an announcement of a new phone and ICS not a complete product demo with software, hardware, and third party developers on stage to showcase all their work. Maybe if your worthy you will be given one to play for a few weeks so you can become more familiar with the specifics and then give us readers your unbiased,*cough cough*, review.
45. MichaelHeller posted on 19 Oct 2011, 01:20 7 2
At the announcement for the Motorola XOOM and Honeycomb there was a complete product demo with software, hardware and 3rd party developers. Why can't we ask for the same with this release?
48. jldleo posted on 19 Oct 2011, 01:43 4 5
I guess your right.. Hey since your asking why don't you ask Matias if he can complete the phonearena.com review for you so we don't have to read your review. Just asking?
57. Knicknevin posted on 19 Oct 2011, 07:14 0 1
That was seriously mean...
50. cheetah2k posted on 19 Oct 2011, 02:40 1 0
Because you have no right to ask :p
54. firelightx posted on 19 Oct 2011, 03:17 3 0
Honestly, it felt as though they were deliberately trying not to tell the whole story here. Likely trying to take another page from Apple's book. Apple's whole announcement philosophy has revolved around this idea that tossing out numbers like "800mHz processor" and "Such and such model GPU" just get in the way at events like this. And as a result, Apple events tend to flow much more nicely, done in a way that your average joe can understand why this latest model is better than the model from last year.
Google really seems to be aiming a bit for that feel, here. Keeping it simple. I can respect that. Just like with the iPhone, the more technical details will reveal themselves (Such as the Hardware Acceleration bit. I felt that was supremely important, but it's place in the SDK for us tech heads to find is much more appropriate than on a stage with a bunch of average joes watching)
58. remixfa posted on 19 Oct 2011, 07:15 3 1
i love your articles, but i think we were watching different events.. lol
i was excited as all heck for what they were announcing. everything worked flawlessly except for the facial recognition and a very minor word hiccup in the voice to text.
compare this to the iOS5 features announcement..
google trumphed iOS so hard it wasnt funny.
At the end, they said they were releasing the APK right then and there, which is why there was no developer support yet, unlike iOS5 which had a month or so head start on app development before the announcement. Cant really fault them for that. Had they released the APK earlier, developers would have torn apart everything they could and announced the new features.. thus killing the build up to the event like they did with iOS5
92. p0rkguy posted on 19 Oct 2011, 13:58 0 0
APK is the packaging it comes in for apps.
98. Ivan6479 posted on 19 Oct 2011, 15:37 0 0
Yes it is actually SDK, which stands for Software Development Kit.
108. DigitalJedi_X1 posted on 20 Oct 2011, 09:49 0 0
Maybe if you were't bashing the announcement damn near every step of the way you wouldn't catch as much flak. and maybe if IPHONEAREA... I mean... PHONEARENA weren't such blatant iZombies you wouldn't catch as much flak either. Seriously, you guys are a bad as BGR with your blatant iFanboyism.
109. DigitalJedi_X1 posted on 20 Oct 2011, 09:53 0 0
And where exactly is this proof that Google was "watching the iPhone 4S announcement" and took alot of care in studying it? Or is this your ASSUMPTION?
5. vantenkiest posted on 19 Oct 2011, 00:02 1 0
they said the speed of the cpu just not the make/version of it. 1.2 duel core baby..
i think this is going to be my next phone unless someone else pulls up an ics before december. lol
34. UltraElectroMagneticPOP posted on 19 Oct 2011, 00:50 0 0
I was getting really bored at work 'til I read this. You made me lol. Thanks.
16. vantenkiest posted on 19 Oct 2011, 00:20 1 0
Dual sorry typing really fast. and im half asleep
6. biophone posted on 19 Oct 2011, 00:08 0 4
This phone was over hyped. I was expecting a 13 mp camera with a 1.5 exynos processor with some really cool ICS feature and a huge 2000 mah battery while being very slime. I don't know why I expected all of this but I got my hopes a little to high this time. As I am with the 4s i am a bit disappointed with the nexus.
11. MichaelHeller posted on 19 Oct 2011, 00:11 5 1
Yeah, not really sure where you got any of those expectations since the leaks have been saying otherwise for a long time.
13. biophone posted on 19 Oct 2011, 00:14 1 3
There were leaks about an exynos processor and I thought that google would really wow us. IDK didn't seem like anything special like I thought google would do. There was nothing all that special to be honest.
15. biophone posted on 19 Oct 2011, 00:18 1 3
Don't get me wrong its a great phone and am very excited about it but its still on the same playing field with a lot of other phones. I didn't expect that from google. I kind of wanted a super phone.
30. MichaelHeller posted on 19 Oct 2011, 00:40 3 0
Given what's available right now (and a 1.5 exynos is not available), the Galaxy Nexus will be the best Android phone on the market. Regardless of the MP on the camera, the quality looks great.
I am a bit worried about the battery though.
32. biophone posted on 19 Oct 2011, 00:44 2 3
Yeah well the galaxy s 2 may be better if it gets ice-cream sandwich. This galaxy nexus has an inferior processor to the gs2 inferior camera inferior thickness inferior battery and so on. Its not a super phone. A nexus should be a super phone. It was disappointing
38. MichaelHeller posted on 19 Oct 2011, 00:58 2 0
The Nexus has a far far better screen. The CPU will be about the same as the GS2, or close enough so it won't matter. It has a bigger battery than the SG2, and we can't comment on the camera until we see more real world usage.
42. biophone posted on 19 Oct 2011, 01:08 1 3
According to your website the epic 4g touch has a 1800 mah battery where as the prime has a 1750 mah battery. The GS2 still has a great screen it may not be hd but still super amoled and the omap is a significant step below the exynos. So truth be told the nexus isn't a super phone just one of the best phones. I wanted a super phone. So its a disappointment. Anyway you know more then me about processors remixfa tells me the exynos blows the omap out of the water so is he right?
44. biophone posted on 19 Oct 2011, 01:18 0 3
Not to mention it will have the burden of a 720p screen and lte on that 1750 battery. Along with the brand new OS I think it will be a dud as far as battery goes.
47. MichaelHeller posted on 19 Oct 2011, 01:33 2 0
Ah sorry, the AT&T variant only has a 1650 mAh battery, the others are bigger. My bad.
The difference between a WVGA screen and 720p is a huge step.
From what I know, the OMAP may not have as fast a GPU as the Exynos, but it should be just as fast in other regards, and it has a booster for better HD encoding/decoding, which will help a lot with the HD screen. Not sure how they compare in power consumption.
49. biophone posted on 19 Oct 2011, 01:50 0 1
Hopefully its amazing 720 p display and lte radio don't drain battery to badly. Can't wait for the review and to see if its a super phone or not.
67. vette21man posted on 19 Oct 2011, 08:34 0 0
Thanks for your article and your comments, Michael.
Do we know yet if the screen is Super AMOLED+, or without the "plus?" Yes marketeers will go crazy to say this is a 720p "HD" screen, but is the perceived resolution actually less than 1280x720?...similar to how pentile Super AMOLED WVGA displays appear to have less detail than Super AMOLED+ WVGA displays?
70. MichaelHeller posted on 19 Oct 2011, 08:40 1 0
It is not Plus, it is a pentile display.
75. vette21man posted on 19 Oct 2011, 08:49 0 0
Thanks. Looking forward to seeing a compare of:
- Galaxy Nexus 720p Super AMOLED
- Galaxy SII WVGA Super AMOLED+
- DROID RAZR qHD Super AMOLED
- HTC Sensation qHD Super LCD
- iPhone 4S Retina
Would love to know:
- Color accuracy
- Color saturation (pop)
- marketed ppi
- perceived (actual) ppi
78. protozeloz posted on 19 Oct 2011, 08:52 0 0
Here is quick comparison with the 4S
76. protozeloz posted on 19 Oct 2011, 08:50 0 0
I saw some photo comparison and it looks darn good compared with the 4S O_O but will have to wait and see for ourselves
88. remixfa posted on 19 Oct 2011, 12:20 0 0
the exynos has it in every regard.. including power consumption.
the only thing the omap would have trumped it at, is if they paired it with the powerVR gpu, which doesnt look like that happened.
the OMAP is the best 2nd choice.. but the exynos is far and away the best dual core. With the exynos 4212 2nd gen dual core right around the corner, its about to put everyhing thats out, in the dust. its supposed to be 25% stronger than the exynos with even better power consumption and 50% stronger GPU at the same time. Considering how much stronger the exynos thats out now is, thats presumably double the power of current dual cores... and that includes the qualcomm Krait
hense the reason i want it so bad :)
90. MichaelHeller posted on 19 Oct 2011, 12:40 0 0
1) The OMAP 4460 has the PowerVR SGX540 GPU.
2) What exactly does "right around the corner" mean? Because this phone is being released next month, and the timing is important.
3) I need more real numbers, because without them your arguments come off a bit biased.
The Exynos 4212 is 32nm architecture where the OMAP is 45nm, so the Exynos likely has better power consumption, but again it's a matter of when that chip will be in the consumer market, because right now the OMAP is the same as the Exynos 4210 on the market.