Future iPhone generations could combine Face ID and Touch ID technology

Future iPhone generations could combine Face ID and Touch ID technology
While Apple’s super-complex Face ID technology implemented into last year’s iPhone X and the entire late 2018 “iFamily”, iPad Pros included, is already extremely reliable and secure, some sort of a biometric upgrade is reportedly in the works to keep fledgling rivals at bay.

But as more and more Android device manufacturers are expected to release their own advanced 3D facial recognition solutions, Apple may need to consider reviving an abandoned feature. As things stand, the absence of a fingerprint scanner from “modern” iPhones is definitely offset by the TrueDepth camera, whose magic is unrivaled by the rudimentary 2D face unlock technology on most Android flagships.

If (or rather when) the market will eventually be flooded with Huawei Mate 20 Pro copycats, some folks are likely to want the Touch ID sensor back. Apple rarely reconsiders these decisions (sorry, headphone jack lovers), but believe it or not, a glimmer of hope has just surfaced. 

A lengthy patent application filed in Europe all the way back in January and made public just a few days ago suggests Apple is at least acknowledging the possibility of combining Face ID and Touch ID technology on iPhones.

Having multiple biometric authentication methods on the same device could add an extra layer of security to your next-gen iPhone. More importantly, a fingerprint reader could be used as a backup unlocking option in the (rare) instances where Face ID fails to recognize the rightful owner of a phone.

Keep in mind that filing a patent mentioning this functionality (once) and actually making an iPhone with both Face ID and Touch ID sensors possible are two very different things. Also, don’t worry, the Touch ID button is certainly not making a comeback. If Apple ever decides to release a new iPhone with a fingerprint scanner, you can bet the farm the technology will be embedded into the handset’s display.

Another dreamy scenario suggested by this patent is one where the Apple Watch of the future would feature its own Face ID sensor, but again, this is all largely theoretical stuff that may or may not commercially materialize someday.

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47 Comments

1. cmdacos

Posts: 3739; Member since: Nov 01, 2016

Good to see Apple is thinking about returning to a more secure unlock method in the future.

7. AmashAziz

Posts: 2868; Member since: Jun 30, 2014

Touch ID is less secure than Face ID in iPhone Xs.

11. cmdacos

Posts: 3739; Member since: Nov 01, 2016

Someone that looks like you can unlock your phone with touch id? Nope. Try again

12. AmashAziz

Posts: 2868; Member since: Jun 30, 2014

How can someone who looks like me unlock my phone with touchid?? Do u even know what touchid means??? Someone with same fingerprint as mine would be able to unlock my phone, not someone who looks like me, genius. Besides, anyone with a print of my finger on a piece of plastic can unlock with touchid. So try again.

19. cmdacos

Posts: 3739; Member since: Nov 01, 2016

Lol, reading is hard. I'll type slower so you can keep up. I asked a question. You said touch id was less secure than face id. Someone who looks like you can simply pick up your phone without any other effort and access it via face id. Not possible with touch id.

2. Cat97

Posts: 1672; Member since: Mar 02, 2017

So Apple admits that removing the fingerprint reader was a stupid idea. Apple fans swallowed it, but the ease of use of Apple devices really suffers without a fingerprint sensor.

8. AmashAziz

Posts: 2868; Member since: Jun 30, 2014

Don't put the blame on all Apple fans. Only stupid fanboys said removal of TouchID was good. I personally want TouchID back!

16. Leo_MC

Posts: 6090; Member since: Dec 02, 2011

I thought that removing TID was stupid too until I have used a phone with face id; right now I couldn't care less about having a fingerprint reader, because iOS was designed to take advantage of the natural gesture of... looking at the phone.

18. wickedwilly

Posts: 495; Member since: Sep 19, 2018

Face recognition has advantages and disadvantages over fingerprint scanners. By far the best option is to have both. Apple seems to not be able to provide a phone that has this, providing an inferior overall experience.

21. Leo_MC

Posts: 6090; Member since: Dec 02, 2011

The best would probably be to have the option to get a phone with the preferred way of authentication, but I find that having 2 options is just useless. Just my 2 cents.

23. wickedwilly

Posts: 495; Member since: Sep 19, 2018

If you take that line, the majority of people would not need a complex system of cameras, necessitating the ugly notch, as simple face unlock is good enough. There is no doubting there are advantages and disadvantages of both face and finger biometrics on phones, so both, if implemented well, is obviously the best solution. With an under screen FP scanner there is no downside, but Apple seem to be penny-pinching and not going that route. Which is why their current solution is inferior. On the iPad, I agree face-id is perfect, Apple has done that well. Same on my Surface, no FP scanner required. Phones are a different matter.

24. Leo_MC

Posts: 6090; Member since: Dec 02, 2011

Dude, Face ID and iOS are designed so that they do the authentication the moment I need it, without me doing anything but facing the phone. iPhones don’t have notches, they have an extension of the screen. Their current solution - although not perfect - is far from being inferior than today’s under the screen Touch ID; I believe in this system and I’m curious about its evolution.

25. wickedwilly

Posts: 495; Member since: Sep 19, 2018

"Face ID and iOS are designed so that they do the authentication the moment I need it, without me doing anything but facing the phone." This is simply not correct, examples - Phone is on the desk you have to pick up your phone, line it up and Swype for face-ID. You are wearing gloves, necessitating taking them off to use the FPS. Advantages and disadvantage for different use scenarios. It is simply better to have both. "Phones don’t have notches, they have an extension of the screen." This is also incorrect, modern iPhones have huge notches, that take away valuable screen area for a set screen size. No one is saying Face-ID is inferior to Touch-ID, just that there are advantages and disadvantage to both methods. Again the downside can be alleviated by having both. Keep on denying these simple facts, does you no favours at all.

26. Leo_MC

Posts: 6090; Member since: Dec 02, 2011

Well, I have no problem with being 2 methods (even if I find it useless most of the time - as I do on my other phones). As for the said “notch”, it’s juat a matter of perspective: you are unhappy, because you see a cut in the screen, I’m happy, because I see an extension of the screen.https://www.forbes.com/sites/johnkoetsier/2017/11/14/the-iphone-x-does-not-have-a-notch/amp/

27. wickedwilly

Posts: 495; Member since: Sep 19, 2018

The problem is you get fooled easily by Apple marketing and hype. A screen has a fixed viewable area, anything taken away from that area is not extending it. Thus two phones, both with the same dimensions will have different viewable areas, if one has a notch and the other does not. The Forbes reference is as flawed as your thinking. A S9, for example, has the same screen size as an iPhone, yet has a better screen to body ratio and shows a full width of information, not half of one at best.

28. Leo_MC

Posts: 6090; Member since: Dec 02, 2011

Everyone of us has different criteria we base purchases. I don’t care about differences that don’t affect me or offer me no advantage (and 2% more body is exactly that).

29. wickedwilly

Posts: 495; Member since: Sep 19, 2018

You are contradicting yourself. First you say "I’m happy, because I see an extension of the screen", now "I don’t care about differences that don’t affect me or offer me no advantage (and 2% more body is exactly that)." The facts are a notch takes away part of the usable screen area and in Apples implementation leaves less space for the status bar, not more as you imply.

30. Leo_MC

Posts: 6090; Member since: Dec 02, 2011

Note 83%, S9 84%, xs Max 84%. Now, tell me again about the advantage of Samsung.

31. wickedwilly

Posts: 495; Member since: Sep 19, 2018

I compared the 10s (with a screen to body ratio of 82.9 to the S9 as they have the same screen size, to prove that the notch takes away from the screen not extends it. The S9 has a better screen to body ratio and no notch interrupting the screen. A big advantage. Why ignore the Xs?

32. Leo_MC

Posts: 6090; Member since: Dec 02, 2011

Well, I chose the Max instead of xs; you have a problem with that?

33. wickedwilly

Posts: 495; Member since: Sep 19, 2018

Of course I do, because you are completely avoiding the point, as you were wrong. The S9 and the XS are the same screen size so we have a direct comparison. That was the reason for taking these two phones. Saying that choosing the Max does not make any difference, the notch takes away visible viewing area from the 6.5" screen, just as it does on the XS too.

34. Leo_MC

Posts: 6090; Member since: Dec 02, 2011

Well, life is a bitch, get used to that; I can chose whatever the hell I want, as long as it is out there for me to chose. And I will say “there is no notch” on my f**king phone of choice, there are just 2 extensions that increase the viewing area. Another thing: S9 has a body to screen ratio 2% smaller than xs while having 9% more body; what do you have to say about that?

35. wickedwilly

Posts: 495; Member since: Sep 19, 2018

I should add the Xs is thinner, if you got the 9% as the volume differencebut more importantly, the S9 is lighter.

36. wickedwilly

Posts: 495; Member since: Sep 19, 2018

Life is great, for me anyway and yes, you can choose whatever product you want. However, that will not make you correct so stick to the point. You can say what you want too, but again it will not make you correct. You cannot extend out of the viewing area without reducing the bezel for a fixed size of phone. Delude yourself all you want, it will not change the fact the X has a notch that reduces the viewing area of the nearly 6.8" screen. Yes, the S9 has a better screen to body ratio, however, the areas of the phones are virtually the same, with the S9 actually being the smaller (XS 101.8 vs S9 101.4 sq cms), not 9% larger. The that is what I have to say!

37. Leo_MC

Posts: 6090; Member since: Dec 02, 2011

Too bad - for your logic - that Note 9 has a worse screen to body ratio than the Max... Oh, it too has extensions (or, for you, a notch) and a smaller body, which means Max has “a big advantage” over the Note, right?. How is that sticking to the point?

38. wickedwilly

Posts: 495; Member since: Sep 19, 2018

How does choosing two phones with different screen sizes disprove my logic? It does not. How does picking a phone that has to house the S-Pen, which is pretty unique on today's smartphones, disprove my logic? It does not. I would say that it does the opposite, showing that the Note 9's notchless display and superb design means it is capable of such a superb screen to body ratio. The Max has a notch, not extensions, stop getting that wrong. Yes, it has a 1% smaller body area and less than 1% better screen to body ratio. However, the Note has to accommodate the S-Pen, an iconic and much-praised feature. Not to forget it has a 26% bigger battery, more RAM, higher resolution screen, a headphone jack, has no camera hump and it is over 3% lighter. So my logic holds strong and there is no sticking point. All it shows is you were wrong and have to desperately divert to phones that have different screen sizes and feature sets. I am not surprised though, it is something you do everytime you make false claims.

40. Leo_MC

Posts: 6090; Member since: Dec 02, 2011

That only means that you agree with me: a difference of 2, 3, 5% in screen to body ratio doesn’t make or break a phone and you were stupid to say S9 is better because of that 2%. iPhones only have notches in your twisted, filled with Apple hate world, in the real world they have screen extensions ;). I will address more on the next message.

39. wickedwilly

Posts: 495; Member since: Sep 19, 2018

I will add that it is not logical, but mathematical fact, that for two phones with the same screen size a notch takes away from the viewable area not adds to it. Are you denying this? An extension would be if the screen size is measured from the corner at the point of the bottom of the notch vs a no-notch phone of the same screen size ignoring the extensions. Thus the extensions increase the viewable area. Are you denying this? The only time the "extensions" can be viewed as an advantage is where the whole body area is the same on both phones. That is where screen to body ratio comes in to compare a notched and notchless phones. Agree? I used the XS and S9 as their body areas and screen size almost exactly the same. You can delude yourself all you want, but that does not change the facts.

41. Leo_MC

Posts: 6090; Member since: Dec 02, 2011

XS and S9 do not have the same screen sizes. The status bar on iOS was not meant to display notifications so, when Apple designed the X, it simply extended the display and moved the status icons outside the visible area - that's why iPhones don't have notches, they have extensions. You could argue that media content is being covered up by the said notch and you would be right, but with the new aspect ratios, unless you have content specifically designed for a certain display, you either lose content or get black bars.

42. wickedwilly

Posts: 495; Member since: Sep 19, 2018

Apple Website XS screen size 5.8" Samsung Website S9 screen size 5.8" Deluded iPhone fan .......... XS and S9 do not have the same screen sizes! I will take that one as a clear win "The status bar on iOS was not meant to display notifications so, when Apple designed the X, it simply extended the display and moved the status icons outside the visible area - that's why iPhones don't have notches, they have extensions." Is this you reply to the questions I put to you? It is total rubbish and does nothing to prove me wrong. Even Apple told all its sheep to "embrace the Notch", are you saying we should "embrace the extensions"? Again, I will take this one on a landslide.

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