Will Verizon be OK without the new iPhone 4?

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Will Verizon be OK without the new iPhone 4?
One of the most often asked questions in the wireless industry over the past few years has been "Will Verizon Wireless ever get the Apple iPhone?" Many had hoped that at the WWDC conference earlier this week that Apple would make such an announcement during the unveiling of their new iPhone 4, but that was not the case as AT&T will remain the sole US provider. But does that mean Verizon really needs the iPhone? According to the Wall Street Journal, Verizon is working on a "Plan B" by deepening their relationship with Google (makers of the Android platform), as well as HTC and Motorola. Since the introduction last year of the Motorola DROID, there have been a total of 5 Android phones released by Verizon (including the newest HTC Droid Incredible and LG Ally). This has risen Verizon's market share of US smartphones about 1 percent to 24.1% at the end of March, while AT&T's smartphone market share fell 4 percent to 41.9% during the same time period. Furthermore, more Verizon customers are buying smartphones than ever before, but currently only 16% of their customers over the age of 13 carry them, compared to 33% with AT&T. Verizon Wireless Chief Executive Lowell McAdam said in a recent interview that Verizon talks at least once a quarter with their counterparts at Apple. "There are a lot of interesting things we can do together," Mr. McAdam said, "and I am confident that eventually we will." Other insiders who were briefed on the matter this Spring have stated that Apple appears to be developing a version of the iPhone that could work on the Verizon Wireless network and think the carrier could get the phone next year. Regardless of this happening or not, Verizon, Google, and their partners will continue to develop new handsets, and a new tablet computer is said to be in the works to compete with the Apple iPad.

source: WSJ via PhonesReview



1. Mateo8326

Posts: 472; Member since: Jul 15, 2009

Verizon will be alright without the iphone. one phone can't make a break awhole provider, if so then they need to rethink their business mentality seriously. But honestty this will boost AT&T sales up good or bad no matter how many people hate or complain about AT&T, and the reason is b/c notice how everything Jobs said at his interview (if you seen it) regarding data was "WIFI" based, so it sounds to me that Jobs is promoting the use of "WIFI" connecting as oppose to having ATT for your data source(if you can help that). It's a good strategy that way the finger doesn't get pointed at ATT nor Apple about any network issues it will b/c of your hotspot area.That how i see in my opinion by the way ............1st..........lol

7. networkdood

Posts: 6330; Member since: Mar 31, 2010

You should focus more on what Verizon can do and less on what AT&T supposedly cannot do - kind iof like the opposite of one of those DROID commercials....AT&T is also employing a WiFi strategy and all other carriers are looking to expand WiFi usage as well. At some point in the future all carriers will be heavily pushing WiFi do to spectrum issues as well as issues with equipment needed to build up the cellular network - those parts are in short supply right now. What is great is that WiFi can be upgraded to perform faster. Imagine if the world was blanketed with Wifi - you would rarely need cellular service....

15. Mateo8326

Posts: 472; Member since: Jul 15, 2009

I think all the other carrier just want it cake and eat it too...What phone has AT&T been asking for from other carriers just like these other carrier are asking for the iphone NONE. AT&T customers aren't crying b/c they don't have sprint HTC EVO or the google phone that tmobile has, b/c the iphone is the still the superior phone. All other Carriers see the iphone as their boosting sells solutions lol.

16. gambino37

Posts: 146; Member since: Oct 16, 2009

The google phone that T Mobile has? I don't get it. Are you talking about the ancient G1? Also iPhone is NOT the superior phone. Android phones are doing just fine for other carriers in boosting their "sells". Wake up dude.

26. CRICKETownz

Posts: 980; Member since: Oct 24, 2009

Jobs may be pushing Wifi b/c of the change in AT&T's data plan tiers...2GB allowance. That's gonna suck, hopefully for you metrosexuals that carry the iPhone or any other smartphone that this 2GB thing doesn't last b/c that is gonna be very limiting. Don't see Verizon or any of the other carriers following that trend esp. with LTE comin. Might as well stay with 3G if that's the case. AT&T has never been a forerunning company, so don't think the 2GB cap will take root across the other networks.

43. cellgeek82

Posts: 518; Member since: Dec 20, 2009

Capping data is a bad idea, especially if you actually want to sell smartphones. Capped data seems like a step back if you ask me. With todays technology wireless carriers shouldn't be putting roadblocks in front of customers. Dang, Verizon and AT&T make enough money, they should upgrade cell sites and continue to build out! If Verizon even thinks about doing the same thing I hope they at least see what happens to AT&T first to see what that it does to customer churn, smartphone sales, and customers upgrading. But if Verizon chooses to cap data I hope they at least make it better for customers than what AT&T has to offer. If I was Verizon CEO I'd counter AT&T's capped data with a cheaper UNLIMITED data price. How does $25/month sound? hehe!

45. lolipopjones

Posts: 51; Member since: Jun 21, 2009

VzW is capping data plans though so VzW won't say anything. And yeah.. VzW is gonna make it better for their customers.. This is the same company that made their customers pay a monthly fee to use bluetooth headsets on their phone. If you guys would get over your carrier fanboi lust then you would realize that the carriers are still fucking you over. Tethering is a joke that only idiots pay... Its like paying a monthly fee to use the AC in your car. Your phone can tether, you already pay for data.... how can the carrier tell you how you will use that Data and how do they have the right to software lock your device. BTW with ANdroid 2.2 carriers will be able to software lock the phones tethering capabilities. Finally all of the carriers wish to offload there data network on to Wifi networks. This is due to spectrum in the nation is piss poor.

49. whocares

Posts: 235; Member since: Dec 19, 2009

I highly doubt anyone on this site uses over 2gb unless they are tethering. Go ahead and lie but 98% of atts 87 million customers were under gb usage so... They are saving 98% customers money at no loss.

56. theduckhat

Posts: 2; Member since: Sep 12, 2009

Normal browsing and e-mail usage won't come close, but once you start streaming video and music with services like Pandora, it becomes much easier to hit that limit.

57. WKlingbeil

Posts: 215; Member since: Dec 26, 2008

If that were true, then why would they make the cap at 2GB? If just 2% exceeded that cap, and that cap is intended to lift the stress off the network, that 2% would have to be using over 10GBs per month at least for the cap to make ANY kind of impact. The point is that it's not true, and it's a skewed number used by AT&T to fool their customers into thinking that they're getting a good deal. They wouldn't make the cap if a substantial amount of people weren't exceeding it. I have an Android phone on Sprint's network, and even I use about 2GB's per month.

63. CRICKETownz

Posts: 980; Member since: Oct 24, 2009

Well, truthfully, a carrier can tell you how to use the data b/c its not your data...its theirs but buy you payin your bill you are just renting it. I'm sure that provision is in the contract that nobody has/takes the time to read. B/c you pay for an apartment...it doesn't mean you own it and you can do what you want with it...there's certain terms of the agreement. So i'm not sure why you feel that b/c you pay $ that you should be able to do what you want. As far as charging for bluetooth, how is that possible? That is a technology that doesn't require a provider to make it work, there's no attachment to the carrier's network in any way when it comes to connecting a headset to a phone...you just need compatible devices with the capability. I don't see a way how it would be possible for someone to put a governor on a bluetooth capable phone connecting to a headset. Were you high as kite when you posted this?

2. rjt185

Posts: 257; Member since: Jun 11, 2009

I'm curious to see how the combo of "Tiered Data" and "Early iPhone 4 Upgrade" changes that AT&T is embracing will show up in their finances. It's be interesting to see how those figures look after the dust settles, and in what time-frame VZW & the other TelCo's shift their own data pricing structures.

3. pingpong

Posts: 145; Member since: Mar 28, 2010

+1 to this. I'm waiting to see how this plays out as well. Maybe in the long haul we will see a lot more WiFi networks popping up that people can use in public. We already have Verizon and ATT providing free Wifi at places like Borders so hopefully they will provide more Wifi access to compensate for the tiered plans.

4. Mateo8326

Posts: 472; Member since: Jul 15, 2009

Oh if you have a wireless rounter at home you can can use that. That way you only paying for the service you get provide via your whole household and you save money on not getting a data plan

6. beardown

Posts: 4; Member since: Jan 26, 2010

Is that even and option? - to not have a data plan? Maybe it is on the new tiered ATT plans but you have to have a data plan on Verizon....unless something has recently changed.

8. networkdood

Posts: 6330; Member since: Mar 31, 2010

Verizon CEO has also been voicing his concerns that his carrier may be looking into changing their data features in the same way AT&T has. At some point everyone will.

10. BlackberryUser

Posts: 609; Member since: Jun 26, 2009

I don't entirely agree, although most carriers might. Look at text messaging, for awhile Verizon eliminated their unlimited plans, but they're back now.

14. Mateo8326

Posts: 472; Member since: Jul 15, 2009

your right dude this is the iphone we are talking about but you never know with these changes

5. Trevsx1000

Posts: 33; Member since: Dec 08, 2009

Answer: YES

9. networkdood

Posts: 6330; Member since: Mar 31, 2010

It is funny that at the end of the article it mentions an IPHONE being developed that can work on the VERIZON network.....what is not said is that it is being made for CHINA's EV-DO network. I am sure in 2-3 years we will see LTE IPHONES on both networks....

17. YouLostTheGame

Posts: 441; Member since: Dec 11, 2008

You keep saying that Dood, but do you have any factual evidence to back up your remarks either?!

53. networkdood

Posts: 6330; Member since: Mar 31, 2010

yeah, go back a few weeks on either fiercewireless or this site and there are articles mentioning those facts....

11. BlackberryUser

Posts: 609; Member since: Jun 26, 2009

I think the tiered data plans will cause some people that would have switched to the new iPhone to reconsider the decision. If it impacts iPhone sales, I'm curious to see how engaged Apple gets with AT&Ts data plans.

12. narley

Posts: 357; Member since: May 14, 2009

ya... people thought with the first iphone not coming VZW would fall. But it has only strengthened its share of smartphones since then. It would have helped if they recieved it. But i dont believe if someone is on VZW, the diff between the 3gs vs ios4 will bring them to change.

13. jrcrow79

Posts: 477; Member since: May 02, 2008

lol..Any CDMA non LTE network will be annoyed til they can get what GSM will do for many years now


Posts: 3131; Member since: Jan 12, 2010

What a stupid question. Verizon is the number one carrier and they never had the iphone period. The question should be "Would At&t be okay WITHOUT the iphone?"

24. spoonb1

Posts: 77; Member since: Jan 02, 2010

verizon is only currently the number one carrier because they bought their way there here recently with alltel.... but att is growing at a faster rate (because of iphone) than what verizon is.... its only a matter of time before att again takes the lead over verizon... apple chose to stick with att due to the capability and experience... apple knows that an iphone on verizon can't take a call and surf the web, plus no matter the type or operating system in use on verizon(android, bb, webOs, etc), the data speeds are far slower than att--vzw's own website lists the 1xrtt(supposed 3g? lol) at being a blazing 144kbps and the faster EVDO at 1.5mbps-- vs. att edge at 150 - 300kbps and UMTS/HSPA at 3.6--soon to be 7.2... except for some bitchy tech journalists in san fran and nyc(two of the most densly populated cities in america that happen to also be tech driven as well--where most folks are obviously carrying iphones) most people across the country have little or no issues and web surfing is pure and simply faster... regardless, att is now pumping up the android offerings(more to follow as there are some nicely spec'd phones coming down the pipe) and will still have the iphone, there is a lot to like... and will everyone stop bitching about the att data plans... no one except that one retard app dev that wrote the the ceo was using more than 2gb anyway... get over it, verizon is soon to follow with reduced usage plans as well... where ya at vzw fanboys, care to sling your non-fact driven banter at this posting.... lol either way i am more than happy with my N1, on ATT, android is still better... sorry iOs4

30. YouLostTheGame

Posts: 441; Member since: Dec 11, 2008

I love it when ATT fanboys get on here and whine like little bitches about "oh, VZW only has the largest number of subs because they bought out Alltel". Well don't forget, there was a time when ATT and Cingular merged to surpass VZW in number of subs. BTW, this past quarter, was the first time ATT has added more subs than VZW in a long time. How are those FACTS?

31. Junior

Posts: 52; Member since: Jun 09, 2010

RORY's questions wasn't answered. What would AT&T be without the iPhone? They would probably still retain their number 2 spot but they wouldn't be growing at the rate they are now. A good majority of the new users that AT&T gains every day are people looking to get an iPhone. That can't be denied. Trust me, no one is going to sit there and say, "Hey, I think I'll leave Verizon's great network because I want a mediocre phone, that I could get on any other network, on AT&T". Also, to address spoon's legitimate claims about not being able to surf the web while on the phone, maybe it's just because I haven't had the 'luxury' of being able to do that, but I've never found myself needing to surf the web while on the phone at the same time. In either case, let's say you usually like to use date while talking to someone, Verizon's LTE network will take care of that. It will allow for simultaneous use of data and voice at one time. Not to mention, we're not far away from the launch of LTE and the list of launch markets is going to match that of Sprint's 4G network at that time. I'm not one to predict what Apple will do with their situation of carriers nor do I care that much. If they want to stick with AT&T and have their customers bitch 24/7 about how every other one of their calls are dropped, then so be it. I, and most phone/tech nerds, know that Verizon already has devices that match the capabilities of the iPhone and we're also aware that the technology coming to our carrier is only getting better. As for the 2GB data cap, I highly doubt VZW will follow in AT&T's footsteps. Verizon stresses and encourages unlimited data to all of it's customers. But, that argument is for another day. Lastly, AT&T does have Android phones, yes, but their relationship with Google isn't as deeply rooted as VZW's is. In other words, if there is going to be a groundbreaking Android device in the near future, expect Verizon to have dibs on it over AT&T. Just saying.

40. PhoneUser

Posts: 78; Member since: Dec 11, 2008

Just wanted to correct Spoonb1 that the 1xrtt thing is "Not" 3G..... EVDO is 3G for Verizon. And no i dont have Verizon just wanted correct you. Also with ALL these magazines making their own table bout how faster one carrier is to the other one....i don't believe them cause they can just tweak the numbers. I wish the FCC made a table with the real facts Nationwide and not just where the reporter lives at... my 2cents....

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