US carriers driving a hard bargain over the Samsung Galaxy S II, says executive

posted by Daniel P. / Jul 08, 2011, 4:34 AM

US carriers driving a hard bargain over the Samsung Galaxy S II, says executive

"Negotiations with American telecom companies have dragged on" about the Samsung Galaxy S II arrival on US shores, one Samsung executive was quoted saying.

It turns out that Motorola's handsets are preferred due to more experience with the all-important CDMA connectivity, which Verizon and Sprint are using, or at least that's the effort to justify the delay.

Still, that doesn't explain the suspicious lack of rumors on AT&T or T-Mobile versions of the Samsung Galaxy S II. It took just a month after the Korean launch for its predecessor, the Samsung Galaxy S, to appear in the US last year, although Verizon got it later than the others. Now we are two months and a half and more than 3 million Galaxy S II phones sold after the release, and nary a mention about a timeframe for bringing it to the US.

The whole situation seems pretty weird, making the conspiracy theorist in us wake up from the slumber. Granted, carriers now have much more choice of quality Android handsets from Motorola and HTC than a year before, and the radio has to be reworked for Verizon and Sprint, but for one of the best, if not the best Android handset out there, and by a company like Samsung, these shouldn't be major issues for the carriers. Plus, it should be up to the consumer to decide which handset is more attractive.

Apple filed an ITC complaint against Samsung recently, and also asked for an August 5th hearing on a Samsung products ban, like the Galaxy S II, or the Galaxy Tab 10.1, in the US. The court said August 5th seemed too soon, and asked both companies to comment on the proposed date, with today being the deadline for those comments. It is expected that Samsung would request a later date, so as it has time to prepare, while Apple will insist on a hearing as soon as possible. If Apple drags this thing enough, it might just become time to announce the next iPhone in September.

It's speculative if these lawsuit tactics are affecting the carriers' decisions about the Samsung Galaxy S II, but who would want to deal with sudden legal issues over a newly released handset, for instance. There is also the issue with larger subsidies for high-end smartphones by the carriers, though, and the Galaxy S II doesn't come cheap. Until you wait for Samsung and the carriers to figure it out, the only thing that can be done is splurge for the handset unlocked, and use it on AT&T or T-Mobile as is.

source: TheChosunIlbo via GottaBeMobile & Electronista

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140 Comments

1. vishu9

Posts: 252; Member since: Mar 03, 2011

"Apple filed an ITC complaint against Samsung recently, and also asked for an August 5th hearing on a Samsung products ban, like the Galaxy S II" W.O.W! Clearly, Apple's SCARED of the amount of competition the GS2 has brought to the market..at their wit's end and with no other go, afraid to lose a large chunk of customers who are gonna que up to buy the GS2 at the sight of it, they seem to be trying out such cheap tactics. Banning such an amazing from entering the market??? Really? I jus wanna say "Apple - Grow a pair, and face the competition. If you cant beat it (which is obvious), atleast try to get back with something more innovative and fresh with iOS5 and not jus mooch off of android (like the notification scroll down). But by trying to prevent GS2 from entering the US shores you are clearly admitting DEFEAT!" :)

posted on Jul 08, 2011, 4:56 AM 21

7. SuperAndroidEvo

Posts: 4888; Member since: Apr 15, 2011

That is exactly the way I feel. Apple looks very weak in all of this. By their actions Apple is admitting that Samsung has a better product & is ultimately scared that Samsung will dominate Apple in its home front. Apple just needs to do what Samsung is doing & make a better product. Lately Apple is just going to court instead of making kick a$s products. While Apple is gallivanting in court Samsung, HTC, Motorola, LG & Sony are making excellent phones. Apple is getting beat up at the design level & they have no choice to stoop to the low level of trying to ban Samsung's beastly Galaxy S II. It's so comical that Apple is so desperate that they need to resort to this. lol

posted on Jul 08, 2011, 7:55 AM 11

39. shayan

Posts: 159; Member since: Sep 09, 2010

it doesnt matter how apple look in all this. either way, there are lots of isheep arround the world too support apple, nomatter what it will do. I actualy, think it might gain somthing, at least a delay in samsung device shipment. I'm not android fanboy, and I dont own samsung. Its just that I hate apple thinking every body is stupid.

posted on Jul 08, 2011, 12:55 PM 4

13. IceDree unregistered

Apple Sold 3 Million iPhone 4 in just 3 days (not globally) , while it took Samsung 55 days to sell 3 million SGS II Maybe , just maybe , Apple got a point with the lawsuit , because you can't overlook the fact that the Galaxy S series does look like an iPhone & TouchWiz UI does look like IOS ! No , Im not an Apple fan boy & I don't have an iPhone (Probably never will) No , Im not a Samsung hater , Im just saying the facts No , Im not IOS user , Im Android user

posted on Jul 08, 2011, 8:23 AM 12

15. SuperAndroidEvo

Posts: 4888; Member since: Apr 15, 2011

Dude you are a moron. Apple sold 1.7 million iPhone 4’s in 3 days as per CNET.com. It took Apple 3 weeks to sell 3 million. Where do you get your info? All you need to do is Google it. How can you type bogus information? How embarrassing! At least you are right about the Samsung Galaxy S II sales though. Dude thanks but you may need to go back tom the drawing board. lol When stating FACTS please be FACTUAL! lol Dude TouchWiz & iOS don't look the same at all. My Mother has an Apple iPhone 4 (she hates it) & my wife has Samsung Galaxy S Epic 4G. The icons are VERY different. So if a person can't tell them apart, then they are morons. lol Yes , You are an iSheep & loves Apple Yes , Yes you hate Samsung , & are stating lies not FACTS Yes , You are an iOS user , not an Android user lol

posted on Jul 08, 2011, 9:02 AM 11

23. gallitoking

Posts: 4721; Member since: May 17, 2011

-By their actions Apple is admitting that Samsung has a better product & is ultimately scared that Samsung will dominate Apple in its home front- and where are your facts about this.... I mena u wanted facts right/.. dude thsi is a forum about phones. and somethings people witl post their opinions be a grown man and take it as a opinion on a forum.. -So if a person can't tell them apart, then they are morons.- another unproven fact....

posted on Jul 08, 2011, 10:50 AM 4

31. taco50

Posts: 5506; Member since: Oct 08, 2009

Thank you for posting some common sense to this hopeless troll.

posted on Jul 08, 2011, 11:15 AM 6

126. Hacksaw Doogan unregistered

Dude...you're a troll.

posted on Jul 08, 2011, 8:48 PM 1

141. 530gemini

Posts: 2198; Member since: Sep 09, 2010

Oh look. A troll calling another one a troll. How cute :)At least, taco is a registered troll. While you, you're an unregistered cowardly fhagdroid troll :)

posted on Jul 08, 2011, 9:30 PM 4

34. Ryuuie unregistered

It's pretty clear that Apple is scared if they're suing everyone under the sun that has anything to do with Android. Amazon.com, Samsung...what's next? Gonna sue cause the Android logo is "too close" to the Apple logo? At least Microsoft is smart and trying to squeeze money that they can use to update their own mobile OS instead of going "The "AppStore" name is too confusing to "App Store!" and "Samsung's phones look JUST LIKE OURS!!!!!!!!11ONONE!"

posted on Jul 08, 2011, 11:39 AM 3

42. SuperAndroidEvo

Posts: 4888; Member since: Apr 15, 2011

gallitoking you can't tell me that went you see an Apple iPhone 4 & a Samsung Galaxy S or Galaxy S II YOU can't tell the difference? They are 2 different UI's & the icons are so different. If you guys can't tell them apart then you insult anyone who has eyes. Also if Apple didn't fear Samsung why would they try to ban their products? What is Apple's motive then? I am doing just like everyone else on this website gallitoking POSTING MY OPINION. If it's good for them it's good for me right? Maybe you should be the "grown man & take it as a opinion on a forum.." taco50 you are the ultimate iSheep, YOU can’t tell the difference between iOS & TouchWiz? It's like day & night. Are you talking for the sake of talking or do you really think that iOS indeed looks like TouchWiz or vice versa? C’mon Apple fears Samsung because if there was nothing to fear Apple would not care if Samsung releases anything. The Samsung Galaxy S II is light years ahead of the Apple iPhone 4 in EVERY aspect. That is FACT! When the iPhone 4S or 5 comes out it better be a machine that kills the Samsung Galaxy S II. If not then it’s going to be a piece of crap that will be squashed by the Samsung Galaxy S III. So in a nut shell, APPLE FEARS SAMSUNG. The correlation is there! iSheep always hopping around never making sense! lol

posted on Jul 08, 2011, 1:37 PM 2

49. 530gemini

Posts: 2198; Member since: Sep 09, 2010

Of course the ip4 and the galaxy s2 aren't exactly identical. But it does strongly resemble the iphone4 one way or another. And the court saw that as well. As for banning a copycat product, that's a common and reasonable plea when someone is being accused and proven guilty of infringing patents. Don't you think it would be dumb if the court would allow a product to be released on sale after it was convicted of copying? Lol. Common sense please. If the differences between the galaxy s2 and the ip4 are night and day, then Sammy has nothing to fear. And how is the galaxy s2 lightyears ahead of the iphone in every aspect? What's the display resolution of the galaxy s2 again? Is it its dual core processor? The ip5 will have dual core in September. Is September lightyears away? Hmmmm.

posted on Jul 08, 2011, 2:01 PM 3

56. SuperAndroidEvo

Posts: 4888; Member since: Apr 15, 2011

530gemini the Samsung Galaxy S II is so insanely better than the Apple iPhone 4 that you can't even dispute it at all. It IS day & night. The bar is so high that I wonder if Apple can make their next iPhone in that level. Samsung already is saying that the Samsung Galaxy S III is just waiting for the next iPhone to be released. Samsung is prepared for Apple's feeble attempt. That is why Apple wants to ban the Samsung Galaxy S II. It's out of FEAR. The Samsung Galaxy S II is a completely different looking phone than the iPhone 4's delicate glass. They don't look alike at all. If you think so they your iSheep eyes are failing you! Every phone that has big screen then looks like an iPhone because the iPhone was the first to have that form factor. So why is Apple only focusing only on Samsung? Again it’s because they FEAR of Samsung! Samsung indeed HAS a better product, & not just slightly better but COMPLEATELY better! lol

posted on Jul 08, 2011, 2:13 PM 6

80. 530gemini

Posts: 2198; Member since: Sep 09, 2010

If the galaxy is in insanely better than the iphone, then it should insanely sell more than the iphone, which it didn't. Sales figures speak louder. I really don't know what makes the galaxy s insanely better than the iphone. I have not read any professional review with such claims. Wow, so samsung is just waiting for Apple to release ip5 then they will release their galaxy 3. Why do they have to wait for the ip5 to be released first? So they could copy it again? Lol. If they are so insanely ahead of the game, they should just release their products. Why do they have to wait for Apple? Why do they have to base their decisions around Apple's schedule? We can argue all day as to whether or not the galaxy s resembles the ip4, but the fact remains that the court agreed with Apple based on the evidences that Apple presented, not on fear, lol. You can make up excuses all you want to appease yourself if it makes you feel better. But facts are facts. And again, how can you say that Apple is afraid of Samsung when it is Samsung who's waiting on Apple's release of their devices first :)

posted on Jul 08, 2011, 4:49 PM 4

84. iSheepHunter

Posts: 55; Member since: Jul 07, 2011

How is Samsung waiting on Apple to release the iPhone 5 when the SGS2 has already been released? Sasmung could care less about when the iPhone 5 comes out.

posted on Jul 08, 2011, 4:55 PM 3

95. 530gemini

Posts: 2198; Member since: Sep 09, 2010

Hahahaha, you are contradicting with the other fandroid, lol. The other fandroid said that Samsung is just waiting for Apple to release ip5, and then Samsung will be releasing another galaxy s phone right away. Hmmmm, I wonder how galaxy s buyers would feel about this. Only having the latest galaxy s model for 2 months, and then another galaxy s gets released, hahahahaha. Fandroids are amazingly dumb :)

posted on Jul 08, 2011, 5:29 PM 3

104. rtrhurtjut unregistered

Because they both use Android doesn't mean their views are the same, unlike you and all the other iSheep. :) What the Galaxy S only came out 2 months ago? What are you talking about. I believe it came out last year and they release a new version everey year. Just like Apple. But hey, you just wanted to find a way to insult Sasmung huh? Silly little sheep.

posted on Jul 08, 2011, 5:45 PM 2

114. SuperAndroidEvo

Posts: 4888; Member since: Apr 15, 2011

530gemini, gemini, gemini. Where to begin? Ok sales figures are not everything. Your iSheep brain thinks that BUT it's not. My point is that over all the Samsung Galaxy S II is a BETTER phone from head to toe. iSheep will buy anything because they are mindless. If Shepherd Steve Jobs takes a sh*t & slaps an Apple logo on it, iSheep WILL buy it. No questions asked. That is what I mean when I call someone an iSheep. They are delusional folks. iSheepHunter is not contradicting me, he is making a point that the iPhone 4S or 5 better be killer, because it has to contend with the Galaxy S II. If not then the Galaxy S III will sh*t on it. Samsung is not going to copy the iPhone 4S or 5, they have a huge wildcard up their sleeve that Apple will never be able to understand. That is why Samsung is so confident about the Galaxy S III. Samsung is not waiting on Apple at all they just want to laugh once the iPhone 4S or 5. C’mon 530gemini you need to try harder than that. Please next time don’t embarrass yourself! Apple is afraid of Samsung whether you like it or not. If they had no fear then banning the Galaxy S II would be the least of their worries! iSheep always hopping around never making sense! lol

posted on Jul 08, 2011, 6:59 PM 2

116. SuperAndroidEvo

Posts: 4888; Member since: Apr 15, 2011

Ohh and I almost forgot, Samsung has released 2 phones after the iPhone 4 which came out in 06/23/10. Want to know which ones? The Samsung Galaxy S on 06/25/10 & the Galaxy S II. lol So before you embarrass yourself by saying & I quote "Lol. If they are so insanely ahead of the game, they should just release their products. Why do they have to wait for Apple? Why do they have to base their decisions around Apple's schedule?" please know what you are talking about! You sound like a fool! It's just comical that’s all. iSheep always hopping around never making sense! :-)

posted on Jul 08, 2011, 7:44 PM 1

140. 530gemini

Posts: 2198; Member since: Sep 09, 2010

Wow, so samsung released their s1 and s2 at the same time? Lol. The s2 has only been recently released you fhagdroid :) And it's not even released here in the US yet. And excuse me? You're the one who said that samsung is just waiting for Apple to release the ip5 so they can release another s3, not I. So don't pass that thought on to me you dirty fhagdroid :) You're losing it. You can't even remember the thoughts that come out your fhagdroid mind :)

posted on Jul 08, 2011, 9:29 PM 3

122. 530gemini

Posts: 2198; Member since: Sep 09, 2010

Oh, so now sales figures aren't everything, but market share is, lol. So the iphone is the top selling smartphone on both AT&T and Verizon because android phones are insanely ahead? Lol. Samsung galaxy s2 is only ahead on paper, but not on overall performance and appeal. Also, you are comparing it to the ip4 that's been released in 2010. Still, galaxy s2 is still behind on apps. Soo all of those At&t customers and Verizon android users who switched to the iphone4 are now isheeps? Hahahaha. Is that the best reasoning you can come up with? Pathetic. Oh so now you're taking back what you said earlier that Samsung is just waiting for the ip5 to get released and then they will also release their galaxy s3? Lol. So now samsung has a wildcard? If I am a samsung customer, I'd be pissed. You already have a wildcard galaxy s3 with better features just standing by and you're releasing the galaxy s2? Hahahaha. Why won't samsung just release that wildcard device so it can totally own the iphone? Why wait for the ip5? Lol. And I'm embarassing myself? With what? Lol. With not having imaginary wildcard devices like you have, hahahahaha. Banning of the galaxy s2 is the consequence if proven guilty of infringing Apple's patented design. I actually hope it does not get banned, that way the ip5 can prove once again that it can outsell the galaxy s2. And what will your excuse be then? Still marketing and hypnotism? Lol.

posted on Jul 08, 2011, 8:32 PM 5

134. rocko0011

Posts: 34; Member since: Jul 08, 2011

I lol'ed

posted on Jul 08, 2011, 9:02 PM 0

147. Forsaken77

Posts: 553; Member since: Jun 09, 2011

I would like to chime in on your sales figures there genius. Yes... the iphone sold more, but it's a SINGLE phone. The GS2 is one of hundreds of Android phones. So you can't do a direct comparison in that respect. If the GS2 was the ONLY Android phone available it would smoke the iphone rite out of it's shoes. So because the Android market is so diluted with quality handsets, it's amazing that any one phone could sell that many.

posted on Jul 09, 2011, 2:27 AM 1

81. biscutbob

Posts: 82; Member since: Jul 08, 2011

I would be surpised if anything useful or revolutionary is on the iphone 5. Very surprised.

posted on Jul 08, 2011, 4:52 PM 3

86. iSheepHunter

Posts: 55; Member since: Jul 07, 2011

LMFAO, it'll just be more stuff they stole from other operating systems. WWDC was the biggest fail of Apple's life. Nothing new at all. It was actually quite sad. :)

posted on Jul 08, 2011, 4:59 PM 3

100. cheeseycheeser

Posts: 413; Member since: Mar 24, 2011

@SuperAndroidEvo are you retarded? How could you possibly know if they use Android or iOS? I believe them saying they use android! The icons are very different. However, the dock is similar. And looks very iPhone (Pre 4) esqe on the app drawer. But they are both just being ridculous! They need to let each other be. They are stating their opinion. They're not an "iSheep". Your a Fandroid TROLL. And btw I'm unbiased to either os. I have a Thunderbolt I LOVE,and an iPad that I use all the time

posted on Jul 08, 2011, 5:38 PM 5

106. iSheepHunter

Posts: 55; Member since: Jul 07, 2011

No, you fail. They are not iSheep because they like Apple. They are iSheep because they posted a lhying statistic about Apple. I don't see how he's a troll when this Article is about the galaxy s 2 and has nothing to do with Apple but there are Apple fans here. AND the sheep responded first with a LIE. What you said made no sense. I repeat, this is a Galaxy S 2 article. So if anyone was trolling it would be Apple fans. But they weren't. They are just expressing their opinion, as long as they are not lhying.

posted on Jul 08, 2011, 5:53 PM 2

118. SuperAndroidEvo

Posts: 4888; Member since: Apr 15, 2011

Wait a minute, cheeseycheeser (great name) you are saying I am a TROLL for commenting on an Android article? Really? You have got to be kidding me! lol This is so funny that I even have to reply to you. The iSheep here are instigating in an Android article you fool! lol The iSheep are the ones TROLLING around. I can't believe I need to explain this to you. If you are so unbiased why on this good Earth are you even giving your 2 cents? cheeseycheeser you are a hypocrite to say the least. If you are unbiased then be unbiased, don't interject on things you are unbiased about! It makes no sense. lol Is this guy serious? What you are going to argue that you are neutral & unbiased. What a noble man. You are like Gandhi! lol

posted on Jul 08, 2011, 8:00 PM 1

43. 530gemini

Posts: 2198; Member since: Sep 09, 2010

Regardless, the point is, the iphone4 still outsold and outpaced the galaxy s phone. As for the facts. The court honored Apple's request based on evidences of copying that Apple presented. As to what was outlined in those complaints, I don't know. Where did you get your fact that it was touchwhiz that Apple was complaining about? Before you tell someone to be factual, maybe you should be one yourself first. Now, as for our mothers. My mother has the samsung galaxy s, and she despises it so much that she threw it away and then bought an iphone4. So did my cousin, and my cousin's boyfriend, and my neighbor, and my neighbor's wife, and Jose our gardener, and so on and so forth :)

posted on Jul 08, 2011, 1:39 PM 4

59. SuperAndroidEvo

Posts: 4888; Member since: Apr 15, 2011

If Samsung copied Apple's icons as you say then why is Samsung still using them? So I guess your little judge friend didn't see it the way you do! And as for the mothers thing I was being real. Of course you can make it about your gardener and so on. I didn’t know you were so close to your gardener. Let me guess you make sure everyone in your life has an Apple iPhone 4 right? I will humor you, My uncle's next door neighbor sisters 3rd cousin had an Apple iPhone 4 and threw it away and bought a Samsung Galaxy S. So did my cousin, and my cousin's boyfriend, and my neighbor, and my neighbor's wife, and Jose umm sorry Carlos our gardener, and so on and so forth :) That is how silly you sound 530gemini! lol :-)

posted on Jul 08, 2011, 2:22 PM 3

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