Protesters gather at Apple HQ to demand "ethical iPhone"

Protesters gather at Apple HQ to demand
The groundswell behind news reports and protests against the treatment of workers in Apple's supply chain has been growing recently, spurred by reports from the New York Times as well as ABC, and now the protest has come to Apple's front door. Early in the month, we reported on the petition going around asking Apple to make an "ethical iPhone". At the time, the petition had 40,000 signatures and as of this writing, that number has grown to just over 125,000 (according to the website, though other reports have the number at over 300,000, which may include non-digital signatures). 

Yesterday, protesters were rallied at Apple's headquarters in Cupertino by rights organization to hand out even more copies of the petition. Questions over the working conditions in Apple's supply chain in Asia, notably Foxconn, have raised awareness and concern about how Apple products are produced. Apple CEO Tim Cook has been on a mission to address those concerns, and has repeatedly stated that the company cares about worker conditions. Apple has also recently entered into the Fair Labor Association, which has already begun inspecting Foxconn and Pegatron facilities. SumOfUs claims that the Fair Labor Association is nothing but "whitewashing" and is insisting that "truly independent NGOs" be granted access to production facilities. 

There have also been rumors that Apple could use its $100 billion in cash reserves to improve worker conditions in Asia (or even be even more progressive and set up manufacturing in the USA, although that seems very unlikely). Of course, it still remains to be seen if Apple is willing to take less in profits in order to keep the consumer cost down if it becomes more expensive to produce devices. Because, users may want an "ethical iPhone", but they still don't want to have to pay too much for it. 

source: Venture Beat



1. tward291

Posts: 559; Member since: Feb 14, 2012

im not defending apple but they are not the only company that uses foxconn but i guess if your going to stop this you gotta start somewhere. I doubt apple will bring jobs back here to the states they could move production to india or philippines or some part of south america maybe even mexico.

40. Hunt3rj2

Posts: 396; Member since: Nov 11, 2011

But Apple is the only company that I know of which pursues such massive margins on their phones while forcing Foxconn to cut their margins to the bone.

56. cellgeek82

Posts: 518; Member since: Dec 20, 2009

Actually if I'm not mistaken, the Xbox 360 is made by Foxconn too. Let's go beat down Microsoft as well. J/K I'm so tired of these hippies protesting. If they'd work we wouldn't have to outsource.

2. InJuxHurYlem

Posts: 28; Member since: Oct 07, 2009

--"Because, users may want an "ethical iPhone", but they still don't want to have to pay too much for it." Ya, they have no problem with paying $300, in fact they'll line up and spend the night in a sleeping bag outside a store to do it...but they draw the line at $350.

3. Carlitos

Posts: 673; Member since: Oct 23, 2011

I don't understand, why did apple go to Asia to manufacture. Obviously the higher demand is here in the North American and Europe. Why would they go to Asia where they would have to pay more money for shipping. Or are they there just to take advantage of does poor asian workers. Someone please explain?

4. atheisticemetic

Posts: 377; Member since: Dec 18, 2011

that is correct Carl. The labor involved is much cheaper over there. So even tho the demand for the product is here, it's still cheaper to use that kind of labor and ship it to the States.

5. remixfa

Posts: 14605; Member since: Dec 19, 2008

because instead of paying american factory workers 10+ an hour, they can pay Chinese slave labor at about a buck an hour. they just got a raise to like 1.50 in shenzen, though the people that work at the ipad lab in inner china still make less than a buck an hour. Chinese slave labor also doesnt get much for employee benefits, and china has a much lower corporate tax rate. America has the highest to 2nd highest (depending on the year) tax rate in the world. Companies like Apple save billions a year in taxes and labor costs.. well more than what it costs to ship the products back. Every time you vote for a new corporate tax, your not only voting to send more jobs over seas, you are also voting to raise YOUR taxes, as corporations do not actually pay taxes. they filter the taxes they owe into the cost of the product so that YOU actually pay the taxes for them. They just filter it from you to the government.

6. Mandroid

Posts: 209; Member since: Feb 22, 2012

........are....are you f'ing serious? You do know pretty much every major american company outsources because it's phenomenally cheaper to produce overseas, right? It's a crappy practice, but they all do it.

9. jmoita2

Posts: 930; Member since: Dec 23, 2011

Then we should impose huge tariffs,therefore making it cost prohibitive to manufacture overseas then reimport such products to the US for sale. if you want to rip the benefits of selling it here at astronomical prices,the least we as a nation can ask you to do is to employ those same consumers as workers.

11. remixfa

Posts: 14605; Member since: Dec 19, 2008

yes, lets get even more punative!! its the high costs that drove them overseas.. so lets bring them back with... MORE HIGH COSTS. yea, sorry that doesnt work. if you want to bring the business back, you have to entice them by LOWERING the cost of doing business in america, not raising it. They left to get away from american taxes.. charging them more american taxes isnt going to solve the problem.

17. jmoita2

Posts: 930; Member since: Dec 23, 2011

Oh,yeah,you are so right...not. So, the poor corporations are shipping all their manufacturing overseas because they pay too much taxes...Poor them. Turn off Fox News,while there is still hope.

19. atheisticemetic

Posts: 377; Member since: Dec 18, 2011

again with fox news....always a sure sign of a cop out. just as long as you dont watch the daily show and call that news i wont make fun of you for copping out with the fox news comment jmoita they need to bring business here regardless of how someone feels about the taxes. We need jobs in america plain and simple...i think we can agree on that?

21. remixfa

Posts: 14605; Member since: Dec 19, 2008

sure sign of someone that has no idea about what they are talking about.. make a fox news crack. here's some pot and a tyedye obama poster. go have a good time.

27. biophone

Posts: 1994; Member since: Jun 15, 2011

Remixfa I couldn't agree more.

32. parkwaydr

Posts: 572; Member since: Sep 07, 2011

Remix, your dead wrong my friend.....corporations do not go over seas because of taxes, they go because then they do not have to follow Americas strict labor laws, I.e overtime pay working conditions ( osha) ect ect....they use taxes as a scapegoat. An example is the suicides at foxconn, had that been an American plant and American workers osha would have been up apples a** in a heartbeat, but hey since it was in China no one made a big deal about it......and by the way its a proven fact that people who watch fox news are the most unneducated when it comes to current world events.......but hey what can you say for a company who's only goal is to bash democrats

33. biophone

Posts: 1994; Member since: Jun 15, 2011

Read all his posts before replying

34. remixfa

Posts: 14605; Member since: Dec 19, 2008

its not even worth replying to that brainwashed nonsense. He didnt read anything I wrote and obviously hasnt done any actual research other than what happens on the Daily Show. thanks for gettin my back though, bio. :)

38. parkwaydr

Posts: 572; Member since: Sep 07, 2011

What scared are you? By the way I'm a born and raised rebuplican who has never watched the daily show in his life.............I think your afriad of replying because your afraid your wrong, and if you dont believe me about the fox news thing heres a link**kinson_n_1106305.html If you still dont believe me, there is more info on the study that was taken, just google it by the way, I no longer respect your opinion on any topic seeing as you chose to insult me and hide from my comment grow up

41. remixfa

Posts: 14605; Member since: Dec 19, 2008

ok, just to stop you there... you are using THE HUFFINGTON POST, one of the most notoriously open socialist slanted sites as proof of concept against fox news. lol seriously? Im not hiding from anything park, my views on these subjects have been well documented on these boards. I've entertained this conversation a dozen or so times, each with tons and tons and tons of info, statistics, and laws to back me up. I'm not looking for your respect, but your obviously looking for mine. BTW, I also watch the Daily Show as well as fox... oh and msnbc, bbc, reuters, and all the rest.. on top of looking for actual statistics and laws on the matter. its called informed opinion. If you want to see my views on the subject, you can simply search the site. I've written pages and pages on it.

43. parkwaydr

Posts: 572; Member since: Sep 07, 2011

Your still avoiding the point Remix, I copied the first link that popped up on a Google search, like I said there are plenty of other sites........ And one other thing, if you do watch the daily show then why insult others for doing so? That is like gallito insulting someone for using an iphone. And as far as the respect issue, its common deciency, obviously bio has respect for you because he defended you, when I maid my post you chose to insult me when I did nothing of the sort to you

51. remixfa

Posts: 14605; Member since: Dec 19, 2008

because I dont watch it as news like so many people do. I also like to watch both sides of issues. I am neither democrat or republican. Again, its called being fully informed. It was insulting what you came at me with. It was insulting because it shows that you were responding without actually reading anything I have written. Blind attacking is something of a joke around here.

54. parkwaydr

Posts: 572; Member since: Sep 07, 2011

Ok I will admit I did not read your first comment before I posted.....just you second Although, I still think its hypocritical of you to watch the daily but insult others that do, even if they do tend to consider it a valid news source,like I said that is would be like gallito insult some one for using an iPhone, I personaly do not watch fox, they are to extreme right wing for me, don't get me wrong, but I would rather watch actual news instead of people just sitting their and bashing Obama but seriously you should look into this study they did just google "fox viewers less informed" and it should all be right there for you

58. remixfa

Posts: 14605; Member since: Dec 19, 2008

just to throw a wrench in the gallito analogy... for the longest time that chicken head was using only android products all the while touting iOS and hating on android. he just recently got an iPhone. lol there was another study that showed fox viewers were more informed on current American events and were more likely to understand economics. you can word a studybto show anything.

62. parkwaydr

Posts: 572; Member since: Sep 07, 2011

Wow really, he used Android but bashed it, I would of guessed he would have prefered death before touching an Android based on his comments As for the study issue I would have to agree with you, that's been one of my main gripes with media outlets, you never know if your getting truth or a spin

49. bayusuputra

Posts: 963; Member since: Feb 12, 2012

they outsource because: - cheaper labour cost - more labour forces - less tax - less strict labour laws - shipping fees that goes lower over the time - easier to bribe officials (esp if you are big player in the industry) and i don't think it stops there. so actually we can't single it out to tax, or shipping cost, or the laws.. all of these are the determining factors whether or not a company should outsource or not..

57. cellgeek82

Posts: 518; Member since: Dec 20, 2009

Remember remixfa, liberals are willingly ignorant. You can't teach them anything. They're a misinformed mob and hellbent on staying that way. The mob is attacking Apple now mainly because it's the loudest subject right now. When something else gets under their skin they'll leave Apple alone. I bet they even organized their protest on Apple products, even using Find My Friends to gather at the same place and used Siri to research protesting.

39. cellphonator

Posts: 298; Member since: Oct 29, 2011

You're my hero remixfa! Let's keep taxing those rich bad corporations so the poor people pay less taxes right? This makes sense only if you're a total ignorant. Everybody is leaving, even companies that have been manufacturing here forever and nobody gets it! Pretty soon we'll be asking Foxconn to open something here so desperate we will be.

7. jmoita2

Posts: 930; Member since: Dec 23, 2011

Because they want to milk every single possible penny as profit. And yes,if they could have people in chains building them for free,they would. they couldnt care less about the american worker,or any other worker for that matter. All that matters in the end is profit.

22. remixfa

Posts: 14605; Member since: Dec 19, 2008

you do realize that a company only exists to be profitable right? Unless you take a tax exempt status as a non-profit company, you exist to make money. Im sure you dont mind if workers get paid right? how about investors? shouldnt they get paid? how about the guy that starts the company? oh, yea, i bet u think that they should be forced to give all their money to the government, so they can give it to you.. so u can sit on your butt and get high.

60. ricking

Posts: 59; Member since: Nov 10, 2010

are u serious, its about profit margin!!! they pay those people s**t!!!

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