Oracle claims billions in damages from Google's use of Java in Android, determined to get them

Oracle claims billions in damages from Google's use of Java in Android, determined to get them
The lawsuit action between Oracle and Google started last August with Oracle's claims of Google infringing a bunch of Java patents in its Android code, but did you know how big this whole process is? In the latest development of the saga, Oracle states that Google tried to hide “references to the fact that Oracle damages claims in this case are in the billions of dollars.” But does Oracle really stand a chance in getting those billions?

Skipping back to the past some of you might remember that Oracle already won a huge $1.3 billion lawsuit against SAP, so the company definitely has the experience. As Google is trying to keep all details private, Oracle shows confidence:

"Oracle's damage claims are based on accepted methodology and a wealth of concrete evidence," Oracle reportedly said in a filing to a US district court. "They should not be hidden from public view."

So it also has the attitude. And when it comes to the motives, they seem all the more justified after earlier in the year, patent professional Florian Muller confirmed that he has found "the same pattern of direct copying" in Google's Java code. Reportedly, it's the Dalvik virtual machine where Google has repetitively infringed Oracle's patterns.

Google calls the damages inaccurate and inflated, while the whole report has been dubbed "unreliable and results-oriented." "Oracle's 'methodology' for calculating damages is based on fundamental legal errors and improperly inflates their estimates," Google added in a statement for Bloomberg. But it faces a tough battle as Oracle holds thousands of Java-related patterns. Actually, its pattern portfolio increased by 7,000 after the company acquired Sun. In addition, Oracle has a strong legal team including law firms which have won the company $1.3 billions in the SAP lawsuit. How will this end up? Only future will tell, but in the meantime feel free to chime in with your suggestions below.

source: ZDNet and V3



1. daniel_bargs

Posts: 325; Member since: Nov 27, 2010

all google's revenues from android since the beginning will go to Oracle's vault in case they lose this battle. i hope not but it sounds like Oracle has a chance. haha

2. ilia1986 unregistered

This is bs. Almost every phone manufacturer supports Java in it's platform. From Symbullsh*tian to almost every feature phone platform. And none of them were ever targeted by the great Oracle afaik.

46. drone unregistered

For every Java enabled Symbian or any other phone, the manufacturer has to pay Sun/Oracle a small sum of money (cents?). This is for the rights to use the Java Logo, Source Codes and other licenses. Google use the Java technology (via Dalvik JVM) on Android and refused to pay for anything while using some of Sun/Oracle's Java source code. Much as I admire Google and Android, I think it is only fair that Oracle try to get back what is rightfully theirs.

3. Sniggly

Posts: 7305; Member since: Dec 05, 2009

Yeah, Oracle. Billions in damages, even though you didn't create the fu.cking code. Go to hell.

5. Droid_X_Doug

Posts: 5993; Member since: Dec 22, 2010

But Sun did create the Java code. And since Oracle bailed Sun out by acquiring them, they get to pursue the patent rights that Sun held. Larry may be able to cover the cost of the Sun acquisition out of this lawsuit if it really goes south for Google.

14. 530gemini

Posts: 2198; Member since: Sep 09, 2010

Oh wait, they made a mistake. It was Apple that Oracle is suing, not google. Now watch sniggly take everything he said back, and watch him give Oracle some love, hahahahahaha

25. Sniggly

Posts: 7305; Member since: Dec 05, 2009

Har har. Oracle's obvious cash grab aside, I'm ambivalent about the case. If Google did indeed use patented code without permission, then they should pay the royalties or change their code. However, I don't know enough about the facts of the case to openly condemn Google.

43. Lucas777

Posts: 2137; Member since: Jan 06, 2011

in other words, now u r saying something totally different than ur last comment, cant blame google for something they blatantly did, and are blaming oracle for being smart and buying sun...

27. pyckvi

Posts: 48; Member since: Dec 19, 2010

Damn u apple fanboys are one-track minded! wtf is up with all of u fanboys hating android? android has done nothing but good competition to everyone. android is helping everybody make some money. while retarded companies like this oracle want to destroy an Awesome OS & steal all its money! why cant u retards understand that ever since android came out, there has actully been allot of Mobile Evolution thanks to the competion between Apple & Android. i think Patents are BS!!!

30. 530gemini

Posts: 2198; Member since: Sep 09, 2010

Patents are BS? Well maybe because you don't have any :)

4. Droid_X_Doug

Posts: 5993; Member since: Dec 22, 2010

Through its acquisition of Sun, Oracle already has experience enforcing the Java patents (as opposed to patterns). MS felt compelled to pay Sun a license fee when .Net started showing functions that were remarkably similar to Java patents. Unless Google can find a way to invalidate the Java patents, or can find a patent (or patents) to offset Oracle, they had better start to plan on negotiating a way out. If they take it to trial, things won't be pretty, because damages could include derivative revenues. SAP tried to limit its damages exposure to the actual revenues that Oracle lost, but the jury awarded based on a derivative revenues model.

6. protozeloz

Posts: 5396; Member since: Sep 16, 2010

I wish they could buy oracle :(

7. haha unregistered


8. Sniggly

Posts: 7305; Member since: Dec 05, 2009

So I have a stalker now? Cool.

10. krkseg1ops unregistered

grow up before you post anything. or ask your dad if you can because based on your last comment in this article, he really should eye approve all your doings

11. Sniggly

Posts: 7305; Member since: Dec 05, 2009

Who me?

9. recurringnightmare unregistered

haha, I hope the jury orders Google to retract the java code from all their devices. Awaiting Ice Cream Sandwich successor - Java What?

12. SuperAndroidEvo

Posts: 4888; Member since: Apr 15, 2011

That WILL never happen. What will happen is that if Google indeed is guilty Oracle WILL get a small % from every Android sale, like Windows gets from HTC every time HTC sells an Android phone. Android is a GIANT STEAMROLLER WHO CAN"T BE STOPPED. It's in Oracle's best interests not to STOP Android Ice Cream Sandwich from being deployed, IF the court system finds Google guilty that is! Also what is up with this Android/Sniggly hate? This is just a blogging site...... plus I think I know who this is anyway...... :-) lol

28. pyckvi

Posts: 48; Member since: Dec 19, 2010

if that does happen. guess what... ur phones will probably at most get upto 1.2Ghz Dual-Core by about 2015

13. 530gemini

Posts: 2198; Member since: Sep 09, 2010

But didn't google create all codes and every one is just copying google's codes? Lol. Ask the fagdroids, lol.

15. SuperAndroidEvo

Posts: 4888; Member since: Apr 15, 2011

C'mon 530gemini your kidding right? Oh I get it you are trying to be funny. iSheep made a funny! lol Ok now I get it! Are you sure you don't mean your iHero Shepherd Steve Jobs didn't create the codes? No he didn't because if he DID then Apple would be suing! Just like they are going to sue the comic industry because you know, Apple invented it right? lol

18. 530gemini

Posts: 2198; Member since: Sep 09, 2010

Well yes, I'm kidding, but sniggly would definitely believe and agree with what I've posted, lol. Honeslty, I don't care who created or who invented whatever. If I like the device, I'd buy it. If they infringed on something, let them kill each other in court. Suing is anyone's right. If Apple sues someone whom they think infringed their patents, then it's their right, vice versa. I'm just amused with fagdroids accusing Apple of stealing this and that when their almighty google is known for stealing ideas and patents as well :)

20. SuperAndroidEvo

Posts: 4888; Member since: Apr 15, 2011

530gemini, sometimes you type some good points, but when you make it personal, like attaching Sniggly's name or calling people fagdroids you just don't make this fun. You are like the ultimate party foul. You enter a room & all fun just stops. Are you like this in real life? Do you have friends? Yeah you have friends, they must be like you in order to tolerate you. Just try to be cool, & chill out. It's not that serious! I try to make some valid points while I blog but then you come & call me a fagdroid. Why can’t we all be adults & have heated discussions without calling each other homophobic slurs? “Can’t we all just get along”! lol

31. 530gemini

Posts: 2198; Member since: Sep 09, 2010

Muah :)

47. jroc74

Posts: 6023; Member since: Dec 30, 2010

Look who you are asking this of...I believe you wasted your time with that post.

16. protozeloz

Posts: 5396; Member since: Sep 16, 2010

I don't think I've see many fandroid clamming Google created the smartphone or that Google created the project at all, its know to the general public that Google even used the Linux kernel as a base for its project, also this patterns are related with the dalvic virtual machine witch is the way android gets applications to interact with the OS no the OS itself, yet google added features that where so nice that are considered ti be implemented on other os as well... but I think you already know that don't you... you just hate android.... also this is not the place for you to promote your homophobia

17. Whateverman

Posts: 3295; Member since: May 17, 2009

Gemimni. I'm gonna ask one more time as nicely as I possibly can. Could you please refrain from using that word here? We're just talking about phones here. But that word is really crossing th line. We don't agree on much, but can we agree to be adults and not do the whole name calling and offensive slurs? Thank you.

19. 530gemini

Posts: 2198; Member since: Sep 09, 2010

How about I make a deal with you. If you can stop android fans using the word "isheep", then I promise you that I will never use "fagdroid" again :) If not...... Oh well, lol.

21. SuperAndroidEvo

Posts: 4888; Member since: Apr 15, 2011

iSheep & fagdroid are not the same. iSheep is not a homophobic slur. Why can't you come up with a name for Android fans that is not a homophobic slur? What no originality in your iSheep mind! You are clever enough to come up with an anti homophobic slur, aren't you?

22. Whateverman

Posts: 3295; Member since: May 17, 2009

This isn't the same and I think you know it. I'm asking you to not use a word that inspires hatred. I don't know if you are aware of the "It gets better project" but if you google it, and watch a few of the commercials I think you'll see why it so important that we not use such a hateful word.

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