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Nokia rushing to kill Symbian, readying Nokia N8 successor as the last device?

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Nokia rushing to kill Symbian, readying Nokia N8 successor as the last device?
After Nokia admitted it can’t meet the 150 million target it set for sales of its “burning” Symbian platform last quarter, now it seems to admit the fire is burning hotter and Nokia might be forced to not quietly retreat, but quickly jump off that platform. The Finnish company is said to have cancelled development of all Symbian phones, except for one, according to a scoop by British publication The Register.

That one model, though, is a special one, possibly just as the Nokia N9 was special for MeeGo. For Symbian, though, this would be a Nokia N8 successor with a top notch camera. Older models will receive the Nokia Belle update, but this will be it for Symbian, according to the scoop.

“So if the fat lady isn’t yet singing for Symbian, she has taken a deep breath,” the Register summarizes poetically.

ST-Ericsson hinted about Nokia’s move, giving us another reason to believe in the veracity of this rumor. The company projected a “very significant decline” in its net sales due to "reduction, in the short term, of new product sales with one of our largest customers." Needless to say, that large customer is most likely to be Nokia.

Interestingly, Symbian still accounted for the overwhelming majority of Nokia’s 19.6 million smartphones sold in Q4 2011. The company didn’t release an exact figure for its Nokia Lumia Windows Phone-based phones for the period, but it said it did sell “well over a million” up until now. The Nokia N9 running on MeeGo is also not a best seller, but could be selling just as well as the Lumia lineup, so that leaves Symbian as the platform keeping the Finns afloat.

source: The Register

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posted on 03 Feb 2012, 09:28 5

1. negmm90 (Posts: 3; Member since: 21 Oct 2011)

finally they kill this stupid system

posted on 03 Feb 2012, 16:29 1

12. Mario1017 (Posts: 336; Member since: 04 Sep 2011)

I dont get it. why the f**k are they releasing a new phone if they want to kill symbian,

posted on 03 Feb 2012, 09:31 12

2. RaKithAPeiRiZ (Posts: 1488; Member since: 29 Dec 2011)


posted on 03 Feb 2012, 09:36 15

3. Stoli89 (Posts: 333; Member since: 28 Jun 2010)

With Belle ready to be released across all Symbian^3 devices, Carla already showing up in various developer forums, and Skype & Microsoft Office products now getting released on Symbian phones...does this rumor make sense? For sure, Symbian is in rapid decline in Western Europe. But Asia made up most ot the 18+ Million handsets sold last quarter. To note, these sales increased quarter to quarter. So why would Nokia abandon the platform so early. It makes no sense. Sure, it woud lower costs...but at a significant cost to the top line.

Neither Elop nor Ballmer want to see the platform tank so quickly, simply because a massive install base is just as likely to move to other ecosystems BEFORE Windows Phone (w/Apollo) is ready to carry them over to a highly capable mobile environment (4Q12). Both companies want to bolster Symbian between now and 2013, not kill it.

I'm sure Symbian's future devices will be limited to key products that build on Nokia's known strengths and not necessarily hit every price point, as in the past. More specifically, the higher end is now with Lumia, and the lower end has been somewhat encroached upon by more capable S40 devices and the potential reentry of a Linux/Harmattan device (Meltemi rumored to take over from both S40 and Symbian in the value to discount price categories).

But to completely kill off Symbian now seems rediculous and irrational. Sounds like someone is playing a PUT trade.

posted on 03 Feb 2012, 09:49 3

4. Victor.H (Posts: 785; Member since: 27 May 2011)

Great analysis! That's partly what I tried to emphasize in the last paragraph by mentioning Nokia's huge Symbian sales. I think the essence of this rumor is that the Symbian demise is speeding up, so most devices in development are being cancelled, and for most of 2012 my guess is that Nokia already has developed handsets. But looking further ahead to 2013, that's where the fat lady might start singing loud and clear.

posted on 03 Feb 2012, 12:21

10. max9777 (Posts: 78; Member since: 11 Dec 2011)

I think the answer to that is, microsoft. I have noticed that in the last month or so microsoft has been flooding nokia with lots of cash to release windows as primary os on their new generation of smartphones. Microsoft has the cash to do so, instead of flooding money to build their own smartphones it is more beneficial for them to flood money into a company that is already known world wide. Microsoft is stepping up their game in the mobile business.

posted on 03 Feb 2012, 10:24 4

5. rex1213 (Posts: 77; Member since: 29 Jul 2011)

Given Elop's phrase from the previous financial quarter results disclosure that says "...As a result of the changing market conditions, combined with our increased focus on Lumia, we now believe that we will sell fewer Symbian devices than we previously anticipated.", I certainly do not understand from what bases can he say that.

Symbian might be functionally obsolete, yes! But I personally think that during Nokia's transition period, Symbian smartphones - together with its S40 & S30 dumbphones, are Nokia's bread and butter. Without Symbian (and with only the Lumias being sold), could you imagine how catastrophic (as if THIS happening at Nokia right now isn't catastrophic enough) would their financial results would be? So why again would Elop bad-mouth such an important platform like Symbian especially considering the fact that Nokia has been bleeding for QUITE A LONG TIME now and that it can no longer allow further bleeding?

To describe Elop in one word, he is a MOLE that is trying to leech Nokia out in favor of Microsoft.

posted on 03 Feb 2012, 10:39 8

6. Bluesky02 (Posts: 1439; Member since: 05 Dec 2011)

Over here in Asian market, very few people care about what the OS inside. Those symbian phones have become so cheap that nearly every age group have it. Some don't even know what's symbian, iOS, or Android. Even if they knew the only thing that would make them purchase a Nokia phone is
: Built Quality
: Pretty Design
: Camera Video Quality
: Ease of Use
: After sales spare parts
: Facebook Integration
: Music Speakers Quality
If nokia symbian is discontinued the only thing that would replace it fairly is an affordable nokia windows phone plus a big push in marketing, live tiles would seem odd here.
You have to bear in mind that asians buy full unlocked price. Contract things doesn't exist here.

posted on 03 Feb 2012, 11:22 3

7. squallz506 (banned) (Posts: 1075; Member since: 19 Oct 2011)

i always thought that symbian looked nice, but the developer community is too small for my liking. it doesnt matter much to me if symbian dies now or later.

posted on 03 Feb 2012, 11:54 5

8. midhun (Posts: 5; Member since: 26 Nov 2011)

symbian phones are a hit india, which is the biggest market for Asia, if Nokia is phasing out symbian all of a sudden, that would be cruelty.....

posted on 03 Feb 2012, 12:36 3

11. PravinSingh (Posts: 1; Member since: 25 Nov 2011)

symbian is the only thing which is keeping Nokia alive in indian market.because most of the people in india cannot afford windows phone and windows phone is not very popular in india.If they kill symbian it will hurt nokia very much,because india is one of the biggest market for nokia,way bigger than USA

posted on 03 Feb 2012, 12:14 2

9. XiphiasGladius (Posts: 813; Member since: 21 Aug 2011)

Here in the Philippines, Symbian running nokia phones are a seller, the s40 & s30 phones are still selling like pancakes due to the ease of use it provide and also some all around package it brings to the users. The older generations still prefer them while most middle class young generations use them due to affordability ( less spending for parents) although I see a gradual decline soon due to the lowering of the prizes of many low-end android phones. But I also see a distant adaptation of a windos phone due to its closed nature and also the price will still help determine how well it will sell. . .

posted on 03 Feb 2012, 17:12

13. BlazinEmperor (Posts: 35; Member since: 24 Nov 2011)

ST-Ericsson doesn't make chips for Symbian Phones, it's Texas Instruments, so the claim on this article is false.

posted on 03 Feb 2012, 17:14

14. BlazinEmperor (Posts: 35; Member since: 24 Nov 2011)

Btw, here in Nigeria, the cheapest Symbian^3 phone you'll get will cost you $250, so I don't get why u guys call them cheap, unless you're referring to s40.

posted on 07 Feb 2012, 09:23

23. chapizzo (Posts: 116; Member since: 13 Sep 2011)

$250 dollars for any of the symbian ^3 phones is cheap, and that is down further in Uganda. Here the new bread of S40 phones cost just about that much. So if you can get any Symbian ^3 for that, then its pretty cheap.

posted on 03 Feb 2012, 18:05

15. SemperFiV12 (Posts: 948; Member since: 09 Nov 2010)

"The Nokia N9 running on MeeGo is also not a best seller, but could be selling just as well as the Lumia lineup, so that leaves Symbian as the platform keeping the Finns afloat."

What lopsided logic.

posted on 03 Feb 2012, 18:50

16. DigitalJedi_X2 (banned) (Posts: 346; Member since: 30 Jan 2012)

Why is Victor H still allowed to post articles? Every one of his articles I've read have been baseless and cr@p. Why would Nokia cancel the only thing keeping them relevant and afloat in the mobile world? Symbian was by leaps and bounds the money maker in terms of Nokia's smartphones. Even the N9 outsold Windows Phone. I seriously suspect Victor H has something personal against Symbian and Nokia. I seriously hope you either learn to back your articles up with hardcore facts or simply stop posting articles Victor.

posted on 04 Feb 2012, 00:31

17. Bluesky02 (Posts: 1439; Member since: 05 Dec 2011)

What's wrong if PA staff comment?
I think it's nice.

posted on 04 Feb 2012, 11:24

18. nanozander (Posts: 97; Member since: 19 Oct 2011)

Can't say nobody saw this coming..

posted on 04 Feb 2012, 15:53

19. upakul (Posts: 2; Member since: 04 Feb 2012)

“Nokia N8′s successor being the last Symbian device” is completely baseless" as explained by symbian-developers . net

Finally this stupid rumour explained -_-

posted on 05 Feb 2012, 04:10 1

20. Altair (Posts: 367; Member since: 02 Feb 2012)

Just another unprofessional article from Victor. Also another "almost iOS/Android fan trolling wp/nokia". Every single article that guy writes is somehow negative.

He deserves to be kicked out of phonearena. There are plenty of good mobile device professionals who writes excellent articles, based on knowledge and neutral point of view.

posted on 05 Feb 2012, 04:45

21. louay_joumaa (Posts: 18; Member since: 09 Dec 2011)

thank u nokia

posted on 05 Feb 2012, 06:17

22. mercorp (Posts: 1043; Member since: 28 Jan 2012)


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