Apple: Face ID is secure as data is encrypted and never leaves the phone

Apple: Face ID is secure as data is encrypted and never leaves the phone
Apple CEO Tim Cook recently got the fifth degree from comic turned Senator Al Franken (D-Minn). Franken asked Cook in a letter to explain some of the tests that Apple made during the feature's creation. To cut off skepticism, Apple dispatched executive Craig Federighi to spread the word that Face ID is just as reliable and secure as the Touch ID fingerprint scanner. The star of least week's Face ID gaffe (?) during the unveiling of the Apple iPhone X, Federighi is responding to concerns about privacy and the reliability of the new system.

Once again, Apple's senior vice president of Software Engineering passed along the company line. He stated during a published interview that the data derived by Face ID stays on the phone itself, and nothing is sent to the cloud. Even those adjustments made by Face ID to compensate for changes made to the user's facial appearance (by adding a beard or glasses) are kept exclusively on the iPhone X.

Federighi also responded to Franken's questions about how Face ID was tested by repeating comments previously made by Phil Schiller at last week's unveiling of the tenth anniversary edition of the iPhone. As the software executive stated, "Phil mentioned that we’d gathered a billion images and that we’d done data gathering around the globe to make sure that we had broad geographic and ethnic data sets. Both for testing and validation for great recognition rates."

Apple has responded to questions about Face ID with its own statement, which you will find directly below.

The Apple iPhone X will be available for pre-orders started on October 27th with the official launch taking place on November 3rd. The 64GB model will cost $999 while the version carrying 256GB of native storage will be priced at $1149.

source: TechCrunch

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1. PhoneInQuestion

Posts: 496; Member since: Aug 20, 2017

Guy in that pic needs to quit the smack before he expires.

2. Klinton

Posts: 1409; Member since: Oct 24, 2016

Nothing can convince that face scanner is more secure than iris scanner , , or even FPS. And it's not easy to use. Or that Apple was not forced to let some back doors

3. therealestmc

Posts: 680; Member since: Jul 23, 2012

It's easy to use but just not as easy as Touch ID.

5. trojan_horse

Posts: 5868; Member since: May 06, 2016

Well, Apple's FaceID incorporates Iris scanning as well... So it's basically a two different methods of verification joint into one: face and Iris scanning.

8. bobby84

Posts: 595; Member since: May 13, 2016

Since when did face Id have an iris scanner? I don't recall the keynote mentioning that?

9. trojan_horse

Posts: 5868; Member since: May 06, 2016

Well, an Apple exec said for Face ID to work, the eye must be open... So I assume it uses Iris scanning since it won't work with eyes closed.

14. mikehunta727 unregistered

It doesn't has a iris scanner. The camera and other sensors work together to see if your eyes are open and looking at the screen. But no iris scanner Uses; Flood illuminator Infared camera Front facing camera Dot projector Proximity sensor No iris scanner on the sheet

19. logicsdude

Posts: 85; Member since: Jun 25, 2014

FaceID does *NOT* have an iris scanner

25. Klinton

Posts: 1409; Member since: Oct 24, 2016

No! Apple's FaceID DOESN'T incorporates Iris scanning 

29. kryme

Posts: 469; Member since: Oct 24, 2013

If it did an identical twin wouldn't be able to unlock the phone...

11. Dr.Phil

Posts: 2525; Member since: Feb 14, 2011

I'm not sure what makes you think the iris scanner is more secure than a facial scanner when the iris scanner has been proven to be spoofed by a picture. However, I would agree that the Face ID becomes an issue if you are arrested and the police hold the phone up to your face. Although the same could happen with an iris scanner as well. The only surefire way to secure a phone is to use an alphanumeric password - the longer and more unique, the better.

15. mikehunta727 unregistered

You have it the other way around. The facial scanner on the S8/Note get fooled by a picture with the facial scanner because it's just 2D(although a recent update does improve this on the S8/Note?) . The iris scanner is much much more secure and the only way to bypass the iris scanner of someone's device is if they managed to get high resolution close up photos of your irises...which won't happen lol Apple solution is using a fairly high resolution 3D scanner solution

17. Dr.Phil

Posts: 2525; Member since: Feb 14, 2011

The S8/Note uses an iris doesn't scan your face. ...And it was fooled by a picture of someone's eyes. I'm not sure where you're reading that the S8/Note scans your face in 2D...

18. mikehunta727 unregistered

S8/Note have Iris scanning and also facial recognition thats been built in since Android Kitkat. Facial recognition just uses the front camera. That's what I was talking about. That gets fooled by just a photo too. Iris scanner bypass is quite a bit harder to pull off vs the facial recognition bypass Iris scanner and facial recognition are two seperate things here. Think we got few things mixed up lol

21. Dr.Phil

Posts: 2525; Member since: Feb 14, 2011

Either way, both have been proven to be fooled by a photograph. We have to wait and see whether the iPhone Face ID can be fooled by a photograph. So, my point still stands that the iris scanner isn't as secure as we think it is.

30. kryme

Posts: 469; Member since: Oct 24, 2013

Maybe the iris scanner on Samsung phones aren't but iris scanning is the way too they just need to get it right... no two eyes r the same... a well working iris scanner vs a well working face scanner iris will win every time

23. bobby84

Posts: 595; Member since: May 13, 2016

Dr. Phil your dumb, they are talking about the facial recognition which recognize a face and it was fooled by a pic before they sent an update to not be fooled. The iris scanner is total different and is a seperate way to log in and it's the most secure method. It reads your irises and works in the dark. It is used for payments and login in. Facial recognition is not and samsung tells you that. Facial recognition was just for quick access to your device with medium security. All forms can be hacked it's just that the iris is the hardest to do

26. kiko007

Posts: 7525; Member since: Feb 17, 2016

"Dr. Phil your dumb" *you're The irony...

28. Dr.Phil

Posts: 2525; Member since: Feb 14, 2011

There was no update for the iris scanner so it “would not be fooled”. Samsung simply came out and said it was “highly improbable” that the hack would occur because the person would have to take a picture of your eyes using an infrared camera. It never said that the German team that did spoof the iris scanner wasn’t right. And as anyone would tell you, the best way to protect a device would be to use a long alphanumeric code instead of a body part. However, convenience is what consumers want so therefore fingerprint scanners and facial/iris recognition systems will take a firm hold instead.

33. cmdacos

Posts: 4392; Member since: Nov 01, 2016

It's far less probable to do this iris back then to lift your fingerprint and use touch Id. No worries.

37. RoyalMike unregistered

Password is never secure, anyone can see you entering the password.

24. RoyalMike unregistered

S8 has both face scanning and iris scanning so don't be oversmart plus the hack was done on a demo unit, even the hacking is near impossible as no one have these 3 things - Your high resolution close up eyes pics shot by an IR camera with your eyes wide opened and with complete details of your Irises. The pic printed on a high definition 3d photo paper with contact lenses sticked on the eyes without blurring the iris details Your phone readily available to unlock. Even if someone steals your phone, he can't have all this, all this can work in every security agency who has iris unlocking method so don't say crap as iris scanning is more secure than any facial scanning

34. cmdacos

Posts: 4392; Member since: Nov 01, 2016

I've yet to see a controlled version of this hack. Instead we get a video that is well controlled to product results. Even when he holds the paper up at the end the scanner could be picking up his eyes. Still waiting to see this replicated but in the end it will never happen to anyone so I'm not worried at all.

31. omnitech

Posts: 1131; Member since: Sep 28, 2016

Dude, that's harder than taking a video of someone entering his pin. Contact lens and a camera that captures infrared images ...

20. BuffaloSouce unregistered

If you're doing something to attract the attention of law enforcement to the point where they feel the need to get into your phone, then whatever they do to you is deserved.

22. Dr.Phil

Posts: 2525; Member since: Feb 14, 2011

Ah yes, because police officers never abuse power. I take it you haven't read the cases where people who were pulled over for a speeding ticket were asked to unlock their phones so the cops could see their messages?

27. YeahYeah

Posts: 251; Member since: Mar 16, 2016

12. RoyalMike unregistered

Iris scanner is the most secure method and it's easier as you can use it with covered face even, people have to cover faces on many occasions, using a mask, or religion reasons in Arabic countries. Face ID will never work for them. Apple brought 3d touch but couldn't even provide a 3d touch always on home button like Samsung S8 which if used with iris /face can easily behave like an inbuilt fingerprint scanner, just press it and your phone is unlocked. It's also very important while watching videos and playing games. A real hardware clickable home button always under your display makes much more sense than a software swipe.

13. sip1995

Posts: 1771; Member since: Feb 07, 2014

I want to see someone trying to print his face and then try to unlock the phone.

32. darkkjedii

Posts: 31765; Member since: Feb 05, 2011

Well said.

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