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Analysts say BlackBerry Z10 off to better start than Nokia Lumia 920

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Analysts say BlackBerry Z10 off to better start than Nokia Lumia 920
"Our recent store checks suggest that initial sales of the BlackBerry Z10 are off to a solid, if not healthy start in the U.K.. We believe this is a function of strong sell-through versus limited sell-in. … We believe BlackBerry’s Z10 is off to a better start than the Lumia 920. The solid initial demand is a positive step in our view, despite the number of challenges that remain."-Jeff Kvaal, Barclay's analyst
The Nokia Lumia 920 got off to a strong start. You might remember that in France, pre-orders for the Windows Phone 8 device topped those for the Apple iPhone 5. Then came news that in the U.K., retailer Clove three times in a row, sold out of its inventory of the phone before they could get any units in the store. Before that occured, long lines were seen snaking around a Nokia Store in Shanghai not once, but twice. The first time they were put on sale in the store, the Nokia Lumia 920 sold out in two hours. The second time, the yellow version of the phone was all gone in twenty minutes.

What brings up these stories of the Nokia Lumia 920 are reports from a couple of analysts, Bernstein's Pierre Ferragu and Barclays’ Jeff Kvaal, that suggests that the BlackBerry Z10 is off to a strong start with Kvaal saying that the Z10 is off to an even faster start than the Nokia Lumia 920. And that is obviously saying a lot, based on how strong sales of Nokia's flagship model had been in its early days. We mentioned Ferragu's comments yesterday, when his decision to upgrade BlackBerry stock helped lead to a 15% rally in the shares. Kvaal's people in the U.K. basically told him that sales were solid with some stores sold out and others with limited inventory, basically repeating what other analysts had said on Monday.

To say that the BlackBerry Z10 is off to a faster start than the Nokia Lumia 920 is obviously a big deal for BlackBerry. Still, we should have a better idea of how this opening week turned out for the company when official numbers are released. In the meantime, you can imagine the backslapping and high fives taking place in Waterloo, because for the first time in years, BlackBerry is relevant again.

source: AllThingsD

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posted on 05 Feb 2013, 08:57 3

1. imsickwithsmartphone (Posts: 153; Member since: 28 Jan 2013)

Z10>920 or 920>Z10??
you choose....

posted on 05 Feb 2013, 09:08 1

5. Nadr1212 (Posts: 741; Member since: 22 Sep 2012)

I choose

posted on 05 Feb 2013, 11:31 6

25. drahmad (Posts: 480; Member since: 20 Aug 2011)

z 10 ? not even in a Zillion years

posted on 05 Feb 2013, 09:10 15

6. PhoneArenaUser (Posts: 5498; Member since: 05 Aug 2011)

I choose Nokia Lumia 920.

posted on 05 Feb 2013, 09:10 3

7. PhoneArenaUser (Posts: 5498; Member since: 05 Aug 2011)

For example let's look at articles about BlackBerry on PhoneArena.com (the same situation is also and in the other sites), usually we can see only few comment, what that may mean? I think it means that people are not really interested in BlackBerry. If people even not bother to write some comment about BlackBerry, then it is obvious that they don't feel any excitement about it and won't start to spend money for BlackBerry.

posted on 05 Feb 2013, 11:19 10

23. wendygarett (unregistered)

Wanna know why lumia920 has hundreds of comments? Because there are too much troll and hater enters and bash the wp8 that's why... There are not actual serious comments to me :(

posted on 05 Feb 2013, 09:22 1

11. DerryAhmad (Posts: 287; Member since: 05 May 2012)

I choose.. Both!
Currenty a happy owner of Lumia 920, but can't wait to replace my BB 9900 with the Z10!

posted on 05 Feb 2013, 09:26 4

13. Nathan_ingx (Posts: 4321; Member since: 07 Mar 2012)

What propelled the 920 to the spot is not just WP8 but the whole offering. If i might say, it's because of the OIS, rich recording and some other features that comes with it...and it is justified.
However, i can't digest the fact that the Z10 has surpassed the 920's demand...analysts at play??
I don't believe this...i won't believe it even if it says the Z10 has stomped the iPhone 5 in demand.

posted on 05 Feb 2013, 12:42 1

28. Dastrix (unregistered)

I totally agree. I don't believe it either. There is no justifiable reason to switch to the Z10 unless you're a die-hard BB fan. Its specs are nothing compared to the L920 and it does not even stack up to the iPhone 5. But then again, analysts are humans.

posted on 05 Feb 2013, 18:45 8

46. DerryAhmad (Posts: 287; Member since: 05 May 2012)

The Lumia 920 is an awesome device! I applaud Nokia for making that handsome phone.

However, WP8 has some limitations that might win Z10 (Blackberry 10) some edge. Eg:
- No unified notification. The Livetiles might not be enough,
- No File manager. You have to use PC to browse your files
- No Replaceable battery. Where Nokia has better design IMO, the Z10 is more flexible that you can replace the battery
- No Extendable SD Card. Another example of the Z10 more versatile.
- Not True Multitasking - Apps are paused instead of truly running.
- No Universal Search - The Search function is only to seach apps. Not words, notes, etc.
- WP 8 and Nokia Music Playlist is difficult to edit. Adding 1 song to Playlist is difficult. Arranging playlist needs a PC.

The Z10 also Slimmer than the Lumia 920. Some people consider Lumia 920 heavy. I have no problem with the weight, but some people do.

Nokia also has some advantage over the Z10 - It due more about Nokia than WP8 to be honest:
- Awesome unibody Design, with more choices of colors - Subjective I know. But this one cost versatility - no removable battery/SD Card.
- Excellent Camera, especially in low light.
- Excellent Camera apps on board.
- Nokia Maps are much better than Blackberry Maps.

At this point of time, I think it's a pretty tight race between Blackberry 10 and Windows 8. Both OS are fresh and give new experience to us.
I do think Blackberry has the more 'complete' OS, but WP8 - especially Nokia has the better hardware.

The choice is ours

posted on 05 Feb 2013, 19:53 3

52. PhoneArenaUser (Posts: 5498; Member since: 05 Aug 2011)

Nice to see constructive opinion based on arguments. Respect! +1

posted on 05 Feb 2013, 23:46 4

60. VLaRueC (Posts: 182; Member since: 18 Dec 2012)

I recommend this for post of the year. Very fair and precise.

posted on 05 Feb 2013, 10:47 6

19. pookiewood (Posts: 631; Member since: 05 Mar 2012)

Lumia 920. Wish BB well but I wish WP more success. I own a Playbook though and can't wait for the BB10 update. The BB10 OS looks cool but in the end I love the Metro look of my 920.

posted on 05 Feb 2013, 15:48

35. Lboogey6 (Posts: 281; Member since: 31 Jan 2012)

lol thats easy z10... its simple i like to have options 2 screes filled with squares doesnt do it for me i also like innovation if one more person brings up how awesome the lumias camera is im gonna scream bfd i bought a cell phone with a camera not a camera that makes calls. (fyi not even a huge bb fan) nothing about windows is exciting betting money the blackberry will out sell wp and gain a larger market share very shortly

posted on 05 Feb 2013, 08:59 2

2. XPERIA-KNIGHT (unregistered)

they will be more than "relevant" again.....give em time.....that is as long as they keep making all the necessary moves and keep their ears and eyes open to what the blog sites are saying .......if they can stay on that track then 3rd spot will be obtained before the end of this year! no doubt

posted on 05 Feb 2013, 09:00 3

3. harsh_doshi (Posts: 36; Member since: 27 Aug 2012)

but I don't see Z10 in top 10 sellers in any of the UK retaliers sites..seems odd doesn't it?
I noe tht doesn't mean everything but it seling better than 920 atleast it should be somewhere in the lists because the 920 was all over the charts when launched

posted on 05 Feb 2013, 09:02 2

4. tashreef (Posts: 476; Member since: 24 Nov 2012)

L920>Z10.. by hardware

WP8 News OS by microsoft The software giant ...and BB10 new OS by BlackBerry

now it's easy to choose between this 2 OLD players...

posted on 05 Feb 2013, 09:17 7

8. sats.mine2k4 (banned) (Posts: 208; Member since: 10 Aug 2012)

920 > Z10 Hardware wise... No Contest...

Z10 > 920*100 when Hardware + Software wise... So well given a choice i would pick the Z10...

posted on 05 Feb 2013, 09:20 2

9. PhoneArenaUser (Posts: 5498; Member since: 05 Aug 2011)

"Z10 > 920*100 when Hardware + Software wise..."

Could you explain, please?

posted on 05 Feb 2013, 10:54 2

20. pookiewood (Posts: 631; Member since: 05 Mar 2012)

Yes please do tell. Okay the BB10 interface has a notification center. MS has already said they ran out of time with Portico so in order to not release a half assed notification center they plan on releasing it in a future update. That's about where BB10 beating WP in software ends. Live Tiles, can't believe I'm using this but more Apps, Better Ecosystem (XBOX and Windows integration), Zune/XBOX music pass, Office suite built in (I use One Note quite often), a quick view of notifications (text, emails, FB, etc) which you can tap to go straight to messaging a person back or jump right into an app, information on the lock screen from apps that support it and the live lock screen). This is just a small list.

posted on 05 Feb 2013, 15:58 3

36. Lboogey6 (Posts: 281; Member since: 31 Jan 2012)

windows with xbox integration isn't that big of a deal when the apps on other os do the same thing the app presence is very temporary seeing as how bb is starting strong and is in talks with apps that windows has yet get on bored with certain app devs. lets also look at keyboard bb keyboard shows innovation windows is nice but turn it over and THEY DONT GIVE FULL SCREEN REALESTATE -_- WTH but also set up of the home screen the voice assistant is very nice unlike limited windows. its just more personal more fun lock screen has info on it windows has live for what photos and stock news feeds i guess i need more to drain my battery. and 90% of the phones now a days can use office apps thats not a win for me working in a phone store the only windows advocates are the elderly at times kids that see xbox and people who had the cheapest android and hate it

posted on 05 Feb 2013, 22:42 1

53. pookiewood (Posts: 631; Member since: 05 Mar 2012)

You got one thing right, BlackBerry is only in talks. They've been in talks FOREVER with Netflix for example. Which I'm still pissed about that situation BTW. WP has had Netflix since day 1.

For the KB, I never even noticed that about rotating the KB. The KB works just fine. There isn't a need to stretch the KB out in landscape. Also the BB KB is innovative? Just because you slide words up? IMO any auto text is slower than typing it out. even on my WP which has great predictive text. I really wouldn't slide words up.

Setup of the homescreen? What are you on about?

Voice Control. Windows Phones voice control works just fine for me. It's a feature I would rarely use even if Siri was on board. I really think this is a niche feature.

Yeah you definitely don't seem like you know the full extent of the Windows Lockscreen. Battery drain? As lone as I don't have GPS on (which I've seen kill many different phone from many manufacturers) my phone last me all day with plenty of live tiles active. You argument here is bunk.

Lastly yawn! When your points aren't that strong you resort to name calling. I'll just leave the name calling to you. I actually like BB and I own a BB Playbook so I can't wait for the update for it. As for phones nothing can get this Lumia 920 out of my hands ATM.

posted on 05 Feb 2013, 09:20 5

10. ultimatebatman (Posts: 52; Member since: 04 Dec 2012)

I ordered one today (in Canada) and it's already OOS. They admittedly had limited quantities.
To everyone who says BB10 is late, it's honestly not much later than windows 8, yet BB already has a stronger presence in the mobile space. I don't see why it couldn't surpass Windows phone 8.

posted on 05 Feb 2013, 09:25 2

12. REYNER (Posts: 187; Member since: 10 Feb 2012)

we still dont have it here in southeast asia :( im patiently waiting!

posted on 05 Feb 2013, 09:33 7

14. Ruckus (Posts: 286; Member since: 20 Oct 2011)

Sorry I just don't see BB10 really helping RIM. No one here even brings it up, meanwhile we sell Lumia 920's like hot cakes.

posted on 05 Feb 2013, 15:59

37. Lboogey6 (Posts: 281; Member since: 31 Jan 2012)

ive had more people enter my store about bb10 and the z10 than ever about any of our windows phones honestly since releasing the wp8 we have sold a total of 7 and 3 were returned so its not a matter of not pushing more its capability.

posted on 05 Feb 2013, 16:19 3

41. PhoneArenaUser (Posts: 5498; Member since: 05 Aug 2011)

Your store is not a global indicator.

posted on 05 Feb 2013, 09:39 1

15. darac (Posts: 2156; Member since: 17 Oct 2011)

And it would be really great if BB licenses the OS, and kicks Microsoft out of the game

posted on 05 Feb 2013, 09:46 3

16. Buddhikawi (Posts: 15; Member since: 06 Nov 2012)

BB10 is eyecandy which is a better copy of Meego which came to light two years back. But i think WP is a better, unique stable OS wich brings some refreshed change to the boring raws of icons which we are used to ...!

posted on 05 Feb 2013, 10:29 1

18. Xtasy (Posts: 284; Member since: 13 Jan 2013)

Those tiles look mad stupid ...BB10 has real live tiles and the icons which make for a perfect combo

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