64-bit Android smartphone might not come until later this year or in early 2015

64-bit Android smartphone might not come until later this year or in early 2015
Apple might have surprised its rivals by stuffing a 64-bit A7 chip into the Apple iPhone 5s. Right away, there was talk that next-gen Android models would also use a 64-bit architecture. But despite those lofty expectations, the word is that Samsung and other Android manufacturers have pulled back on the idea of a 64-bit mobile CPU powering Google's open source OS. According to media reports out of Korea, one problem is that Android does not fully support the 64-bit silicon, although Google is said to be working on resolving some of the problems.

The other problem revolves around the D-RAM market. Costs of producing mobile D-RAM memory has been on the rise and the Korean media is reporting that to produce the kind of D-RAM memory required to support a 64-bit mobile CPU, chip makers would be forced to revamp production lines. This would lead to delays and low yields (initially, at least). Prices would rise even further.

According to industry insiders, we could be looking at later this year or some time in 2015 before a 64-bit Android model is available.

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source: ETNews (translated) via GforGames

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55 Comments

1. ArtSim98

Posts: 3535; Member since: Dec 21, 2012

Actually I don't mind this. I want the technology to be perfect and all software to be 100 percent optimized. 801 and 805 are more than enough for now. Only department where the extra power would be somewhat useful right now is gaming.

5. AppleHateBoy unregistered

In reply to the article: This is news? Considering that even Apple had problems with 64-bit with i5S until iOS 7.1 and that even now it may not be perfect, it was sort of clear that 64-bit Android will take time.

8. sprockkets

Posts: 1612; Member since: Jan 16, 2012

Well the majority of why the 64 bit versions crashed was because apple is such a cheap bastard and didn't give their overpriced iphone5s and ipad air 2GB of RAM to use. The 64 bit apps use more ram and thus they kept crashing due to running out of it. Ars I think had proof of it (or anandtech) and showed all the plist mem error logs generated from safari and company.

18. ardent1

Posts: 2000; Member since: Apr 16, 2011

That is such a DUMB comment. Please research Apple's history with 64 bit processors on its Mac's. Apple has always been cheap when deploying RAM in its computers.

22. sprockkets

Posts: 1612; Member since: Jan 16, 2012

You called my comment dumb but agreed with it???

24. Hatshipuh

Posts: 163; Member since: Aug 09, 2012

I guess his point was that Apple always build in little RAM but everything still runs fine. Normally I would agree, Apple does normally a good job at optimizing their software for the given hardware, but in this case apparently Apple was too cheap and the lack of RAM together with the switch to 64bit caused them trouble. Apart from that, 64bit isn't really necessary except adressing more than 4GB RAM, which I guess we won't step over for at least another year. Even in the desktop part most programs are still either 32bit or 64bit only by name.

30. AppleHateBoy unregistered

Gee thanks. I didn't know about the RAM issue.

33. AppleHateBoy unregistered

31. mrblah

Posts: 577; Member since: Jan 22, 2013

Oh that's the reason??? Soo 7.1 came with more ram? The hardly ever crashes stopped, so you should stop too.

32. PapaSmurf

Posts: 10457; Member since: May 14, 2012

My iPad Mini 2 crashes about every half hour and I swear to god it's the most annoying thing I hate about my iPad.

15. akki20892

Posts: 3902; Member since: Feb 04, 2013

This is too late android. Please bring it quick. Let's see wp8.1 will bring 64 bit support or not. I hope 930 will come up with snapdragon 64bit. ( 610 or 615)

19. networkdood

Posts: 6330; Member since: Mar 31, 2010

Lol..how is it too late? Not like apps are using 64 bit support...

52. Droid_X_Doug

Posts: 5993; Member since: Dec 22, 2010

Keep hoping. L930 will probably use SD801 or 805, neither of which are 64-bit.

23. InspectorGadget80 unregistered

Who wants 64bit processor

34. darkkjedii

Posts: 31281; Member since: Feb 05, 2011

You do. If android had em, you'd say who wants 32 bit.

39. Berzerk000

Posts: 4275; Member since: Jun 26, 2011

Not really. Most of the performance improvement the A7 chip in the iPhone 5S sees are from the architecture which is based on the ARMv8 instruction set, which is why it's on par with top processors like the Snapdragon 800 which use ARMv7. ARMv8 can also run in 32 bit, and I doubt you could ever see the difference between a 32 bit or 64 bit app in terms of performance as long as they were run on the same ARMv8 based processor. 64 bit is really over rated. I couldn't care less if Android moved to 64 bit within the next year.

51. darkkjedii

Posts: 31281; Member since: Feb 05, 2011

I feel u Berzerk, but gadget knows good and well, he'd rather have it than not.

47. reckless562

Posts: 1153; Member since: Sep 09, 2013

uh oh......HERE we go now.......

2. Tizen007

Posts: 575; Member since: Jan 07, 2014

Note 4 will definitely have it

26. 1ceTr0n

Posts: 549; Member since: May 20, 2012

Not sounding likely

3. nestea unregistered

For those who thinks that 64bit OS has only one advantage- can be used 4GB RAM and more.. There are also more advantages of using 64bits OS: 1.) It has more register which can handle large memory areas simultaneously. 2.) Higher bandwidth from more channels. 3.) Performance gain on applications which handle large data arrays. 4.) 64-bit ABI allows the generation of better code than the 32-bit ABI (by passing parameters on registers instead of on the stack, for instance).

7. sprockkets

Posts: 1612; Member since: Jan 16, 2012

To really sum it up, it is simply a newer ARM arch, just like Android already went to two newer arm archs already. Why everyone things this is a big deal due to 64 bits is ridiculous.

10. nestea unregistered

ridiculous like FHD and QHD screens for smartphones....

12. elitewolverine

Posts: 5192; Member since: Oct 28, 2013

to sum it up, your tech IQ to the benefits of 64bit computing is very small. If that sounds harsh well, lets just say google wants 64bit as fast as they can. It is not about Ram to use, it is the huge benefits 64bit process allows.

29. sprockkets

Posts: 1612; Member since: Jan 16, 2012

No, it is the benefits of armv8 vs older arm archs.

35. TheGenius

Posts: 339; Member since: Mar 06, 2014

Nobody says that 64 bit OS can use 4 GB RAM Instead. . Its the opposite. 64bit processing works only if you have 4GB RAM or more For less than 4GB RAM..it works as 32 bit only. Bdw.. I agree with your other points :)

38. Berzerk000

Posts: 4275; Member since: Jun 26, 2011

That's not true at all. Example; iPhone 5S. It has a 64 bit processor, which runs a 64 bit OS, and only has 1 GB of RAM. Yes, iOS is optimized in 64 bit for the iPhone 5S, and it can also run in 32 bit for apps which aren't optimized for it yet.

53. TheGenius

Posts: 339; Member since: Mar 06, 2014

Dude .. iphone has a 64 bit processor with a 64 bit OS but its useless. iOS is optimised in 64 bit but it doesnt work as 64 bit IN iPhone It will work as 64 bit when it is coupled with 4 gb ram. -.-

54. Berzerk000

Posts: 4275; Member since: Jun 26, 2011

http://www.pcauthority.com.au/Feature/361887,eight-essential-64-bit-apps-for-your-iphone-5s.aspx There are already 64 bit apps in the App Store that are made specifically for the iPhone 5S, and guess what, they run in 64 bit regardless of the lack of RAM. The main advantage of 64 bit is the ability to address more than 4 GB of RAM, that doesn't mean 64 bit doesn't work without it. That's just dumb. Qualcomm has made 64 bit chips made specifically for the mid range market (Snapdragon 410), and because they're mid range, they definitely won't be equipped with 4 GB of RAM. Do you really with Qualcomm and Apple would make 64 bit chips just to have them not be used in 64 bit?

55. TheGenius

Posts: 339; Member since: Mar 06, 2014

Dude. . This all is just for marketing -.- Obviously the midrangers wont have 4 gb ram but they would give customers bragging rights and thus sell well.! Believe me .. advantage of 64 bit is not in addressing 4 gb ram. You can add 4 gb ram to a 32 bit system as well ! I repeat..64 bit works only at minimum of 4 gb ram.!

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