Rumored Samsung Galaxy S7, S7 edge prices pop up once again, leave us unsurprised
1. AkoSiKuting (banned) (Posts: 88; Member since: 09 Dec 2015)
LOL without Steve Jobs, there's nothing left for Sammy to copy :)
2. shaineql (Posts: 355; Member since: 28 Apr 2014)
Righhhhhhht , thats why this will be most sold out year for Samsung aswell as other Android companies.
4. tedkord (Posts: 11626; Member since: 17 Jun 2009)
Then it's lucky that Apple has been doing all the copying the last 4 years.
14. drifter77 (Posts: 203; Member since: 12 Jun 2015)
Actually, without Steve Jobs there's nothing left for Apple.
40. TechieXP1969 (limited) (Posts: 10115; Member since: 25 Sep 2013)
Why even mention Apple?! It's a Samsung article.
The S has been better than the iPhone for quite a few years now.
56. DarkVader777 (Posts: 50; Member since: 10 Feb 2016)
With all due respect. The I phone strategy and future died with Steve. No pun intented
3. aho13 (Posts: 97; Member since: 10 Sep 2014)
I really love the phone but 700 Euros is too much , and a 300 Euros drop in a year is very bad investment .
39. TechieXP1969 (limited) (Posts: 10115; Member since: 25 Sep 2013)
$700 is to much for a phone with fast charging, fast wireless charging, force (junk) touch, 4GB of RAM, better set of cameras than any phone, best display (yet again) @ 1440p, UPS 2.0 which is one of the fasted Flash/SDD in a phone, default apps, open file system, millions of apps and so much more?
What do you prefer then because there is only one phone better than the Galaxy S and that's the Galaxy Note. That is pure fact and not an opinion.
No matter what phone you make like, whether its LG G or Moto X, Sony's Xperia or HTC's One, or god forbid the dreaded iPhone, NONE of them hold a candle to the Galaxy S.
A phone unlike no other because it uses mostly 1st party high quality parts and workmanship. Has features both useful and useless above any other, has the best ergo-design above any other and is offered at a respectable price.
I rather pay $700 for a Galaxy S, than pay the same for an oversize, no feature having monstrosity like the iPhone or the Xperia Z or any other you can name.
If you compare the S to any phone released in the same year, every last one was better than almost any phone in its category. The S5 is probably the only exception. It was a great phone, my wife liked it, it had nice features, but was slow.
64. FluffyBled (Posts: 514; Member since: 10 Sep 2014)
I am still rocking my Exynos version of the S5 ... most people are amazed at how fast it runs (Maybe you would too), and often wonder what they are doing wrong ~_~!
66. jellmoo (Posts: 1586; Member since: 31 Oct 2011)
Um... to be fair, that actually is pretty much the definition of an opinion as opposed to a fact.
67. aho13 (Posts: 97; Member since: 10 Sep 2014)
I didn't mean in any way it is a bad phone , but the Idea at least here in Germany , Samsung and LG get very big price drops after the frist year . the S6 was announced for 699 euros and now it is new for 400 same goes for LG .I appreciate that if I buy a phone it retains its price for some time like i.e. iphone 6 , after more than a year and only 100 euro drop . Samsung is the best to buy after a year or so then there is no huge drop in price anymore but there is no fun like buying s6 now ( I will buy it over even an Iphone 7 ). I'm comparing s6 to itself after a year . I would like to see samsung sticks to price plan like apple , so I don't feel that much sorry for my money , I 'm not a rich man anyway . what I mean ignoring which is better , it doesn't make a difference if you go to buy an Iphone at its first announcement or after 11 months , you get it for the same price , and after the new one comes out it cuts 100 euro in price , it is fixed , it has a value. with samsung it differs almost to a double price , you get it at launch for maybe 700 after a month for 650 after 3 for maybe 580 after a year with new announcement of S7 it is almost 400 euros ! everything we buy loses value with time , but not so obvious as smartphones and not as obvious as Samsung .
5. nebula (Posts: 576; Member since: 20 Feb 2015)
"With new touchwiz skin" Did you hear that! Wonder how much new bloatware there will introduced this year. I wish they delete half the old and no new one installed.
65. jeroome86 (Posts: 1124; Member since: 12 Apr 2012)
I wish Samsung would follow Apples lead in not allowing carrier bloat. No reason they couldn't. Since these phones cost near as much as iPhones they should give customers this option.
6. vprasad1 (Posts: 17; Member since: 03 Jun 2013)
I thought they were going to lower the price for the S7 models. It's kind of lame keeping the same price and bundling in a "free" Gear VR device that only a select audience wants. I'm predicting after 6 months they'll sell the S7 models unbundled at a lower price.
7. Macready (Posts: 951; Member since: 08 Dec 2014)
There's also a thing called inflation (thus in reality you pay less), so if the price stays the same AND you get a VR worth €99 or so, it's hard to keep that argument going. Samsung isn't a charity organization, profits are already getting thin.
15. 14545 (Posts: 1532; Member since: 22 Nov 2011)
Profits aren't getting thin at 700/phone. Profits get thin between 3-450. At 700, they are making bank.
Overtime *everything* goes down in price outside of commodities (and even they have, slightly, recently given the fed letting the QE money dry up and a slight increase in rates)
Lenovo makes money on the MXPE at 400, so Samsung can too, especially given their lack of customization that does directly lead to an increase in pricing from having to stock more parts and losses on the backend that have to be accounted for upfront.
22. Macready (Posts: 951; Member since: 08 Dec 2014)
First of all, not everything goes down in price, especially with resource and labor costs going up. Not to mention the fact that an S7 doesn't exactly carry the same parts as say the S2 to begin with...
Second, Lenovo doesn't make profit on its phones yet worth mentioning, their last result was a reported loss for Mobile. Not to mention the fact that none of their phones carry the parts Samsung uses (slower NAND, no AMOLED, lower resolution, slower processors etc). They compete with the Galaxy A range.
31. 14545 (Posts: 1532; Member since: 22 Nov 2011)
In case you missed it, resource costs are going down. They have been since summer of last year. Just look at commodity prices. I don't care that you can't fault them here. It is clear you take offense, personally, to what I said. I don't get it, but you do. Most of the things you mentioned are BS. Lower resolution? Who cares? There is more than enough evidence to prove we have met and far exceeded the law of diminishing returns with regard to resolution. I do like AMOLEDs better, but the MFG costs are coming down on a YoY basis. Have you see the new OLED tv's and their costs? Also, the processor is mostly the equivalent SD from the time, given this is a 8 month old phone now. So yeah, if you want to compare a year old phone with a current, to be released phone, then sure, they don't compete. But please try and compare apples to apples.
33. Macready (Posts: 951; Member since: 08 Dec 2014)
You seem to be projecting your own emotions on to my post, food for psychologists, I couldn't care less.
Commodity index prices are going down but parts prices for these phones are up compared to at least 5 years ago, as also calculated in the cost price of parts for Samsung S phones the past years, by several companies. That's because these aren't exactly representative for an average commodity index...
AMOLED is getting cheaper, but still easily beats the cost price of 1080P IPS screens, nothing BS about that.
The point is, there is no apples to apples comparison possible. You get MORE phone now if you get an S model. Not just because it's faster, but it's simply larger and offers more features and more expensive materials to build. Hold an S6 next to an S2 (I have both) and you know there's a large difference there, literally. That's where economies of scale benefits quickly disappear.
26. Clars123 (Posts: 722; Member since: 16 Mar 2015)
You can't just say that considering you don't even know how new technology like the 12mp BRITECELL camera..the larger battery..new processors and the magnesium frame cost
29. 14545 (Posts: 1532; Member since: 22 Nov 2011)
I promise the teardown will reveal it doesn't cost more than 250-300. You think this budget wasn't created in the beginning? They have a target dollar value that they are willing to spend to produce it and it has trended around the 2-300 mark every year. But of course, you are right, it will probably cost Samsung 2k to build and they will be selling everyone at a loss.
34. Hallyu (Posts: 394; Member since: 21 Jul 2015)
How about taking their $14b spending on R&D into account; the amount that no others companies dare to sacrifice for their consumers? You want Samsung to charge you at the price that makes them won't be able to pay their staffs? And please don't bring up Huawei to make a comparison because the components used in their smartphones don't really match the ones that Samsung use.
36. Macready (Posts: 951; Member since: 08 Dec 2014)
Fallacy through exaggeration. No one claims it costs 2k to build, but if it's indeed $250 to $300, it would be as much or more than previous phones still. And everyone knows, parts are just part of the cost to begin with. Think royalties, distribution, R&D, etc.
41. TechieXP1969 (limited) (Posts: 10115; Member since: 25 Sep 2013)
Not when the phone costs you $300 to make.
Apple makes very high profits because they keep the cost of the phone to $200 to build. They sell it for $650. after paying the cost for the parts from 3rd parties, Apple is still left with over $250+ from each phone.
They also have less overhead since they only make one phone. They have a smaller distribution channel vs Samsung, less carriers sell the iPhone vs Samsung and more. Apple saves a lot of money. They spend less money on R&D.
That's why they can brag about profits. But what are they doing with the money other than hiding it from the US Government? NOTHING!
They are so cheap they make the same phone 2 years in a row. They add maybe one useless feature each year, no significant improvements in the software. iOS9 does the same crap it did when the first one came out.
No open file system, no default apps, no fast charging (yet). Just as boring today as it was 8 years ago.
Android has been pushing the envelop with a more open approach and is why I could never go back to iOS, unless it becomes more similar. Which it won't. Because if it did, it woudl be Apple admitting yet again, open is better than closed. As closed as Windows is, it has a more open approach and is why Mac OS/OSX will never be what Windows is.
44. 14545 (Posts: 1532; Member since: 22 Nov 2011)
Did I say I wanted an apple device? No, I said, and stand by what I said. If they want people to buy this, they need to be competitive on pricing. 700 is not competitive. 600 is reasonable. I didn't say they had to sell it for no profit, or anything like that. But I'm sorry, The market as a whole has been decreasing prices, with the exception of a few companies that have continued to struggle that some heralded as their "gotcha" earlier, and I won't buy at 700. I actually do want the phone. and I upgrade every 6 months or so. I am currently using the MXPE, but I will hold off until it is a much more reasonable price. As I said, 5-600 is reasonable for a flagship phone, mostly, but even accounting for R&D, and all the other input costs, it is not a 700 dollar phone with only 32 gb of internal storage. They will continue the declines they have been experiencing since the S5 with asinine pricing such as this.
53. keekai05 (Posts: 116; Member since: 31 Mar 2015)
If it's TechieXP1969, he would immediately jump into a conclusion that if you don't want Samsung you're an iSheep and will think you're an idiot or stupid or even a moron. He would dismiss the idea that there are options other than his beloved Samsung. Samsung for him is God. He denies the fact that Samsung does not only make flagship devices as well as cheap crappy ones too. He only knows Samsung as the "Android flagship maker". That's TechieXP19.
Sorry if it's too long to read. He wrote longer than this :)
18. 14545 (Posts: 1532; Member since: 22 Nov 2011)
Another prime example is the price of TV's in the last 5-10 years. What have they done? In addition to inflation, they have lost tangible price value. In 06-07-08 you couldn't buy a flat screen tv at even 42 inches for less than a grand. Now they are on sale at random times of the year for 2-300. I'm not saying that the smartphone market has cooled that much, but it is definitely not as hot now as it was 2-3 years ago.
57. DarkVader777 (Posts: 50; Member since: 10 Feb 2016)
And simply put. It is costing more and more to make these phones. Pay the most to get the best.. Goooo
SAMSUNG. I WiIll never buy an I phone again or an lg phone f#%ckn crap
8. DeusExCellula (Posts: 1104; Member since: 05 Oct 2014)
$600 for the S7 and $700 for the S7 Edge would be ideal
9. 14545 (Posts: 1532; Member since: 22 Nov 2011)
Well, I was considering buying it. But not at $700. I'll buy at 5-600. Maybe. 700, pass. Good luck with that samsung, I hope your apple pricing strategy works, I don't think it will.
10. Macready (Posts: 951; Member since: 08 Dec 2014)
For reference, the Dutch MSRP is the same as when the Galaxy S2 was announced 5 years ago....
13. 14545 (Posts: 1532; Member since: 22 Nov 2011)
I don't care. Economies of scale have driven down most other prices with the exception of apple. Also, as evidenced by the fact that samsung has resorted to giving away free phones with purchases of tv's and the like, I'm not paying 700 for a phone. And I promise, it has nothing to do with an inability to afford it. I'm just stating that prices should be, rightfully, dropping, not increasing/maintaining. Samsung can keep their phone and I'll keep my 700 dollars. If they want to price it at a reasonable 5-600, I'll buy. It is not worth, nor will it be worth 700 to me.
25. Macready (Posts: 951; Member since: 08 Dec 2014)
HTC M range MSRP here from 2011 to 2015: €544 to €749
Sony Z range MSRP from 2011 to 2015: €479 to €699
LG G range MSRP from 2011 to 2015: €499 to €649
Lumia range MSRP from 2011 to 2015: €499 to €599
Apple MSRP from 2011 to 2015: €639 to €699
In other words, they all went up. In fact, among those, Samsung is the only constant one the past years.
11. TyrionLannister (unregistered)
Wait for a couple months and it will drop 100$.That's how I always buy phones.
20. Diezparda (Posts: 871; Member since: 23 Oct 2013)
Indeed, i'll wait and take a good time to see some reviews about product pro & cons. Plus if you are fans of Android, there's plenty good option like rumoured mi5, g5, m10, etc... All was depend on user needs, if you want to pay less for flagship i'd say g5 might comes with slightly cheaper price than s7.
58. DarkVader777 (Posts: 50; Member since: 10 Feb 2016)
Yea but the G5 will be super crap. Lol
24. sebstin (Posts: 113; Member since: 03 Dec 2015)
wait for 10 more months.. it will be 40-50% down..
28. TyrionLannister (unregistered)
More like 30%. S6 at launch was 700$. Now it's 500$ 1 year later. But by then you'll much better phones. Like you can now buy Nexus 6P for 500$ which is a better buy than S6, if you like phablets of course.
30. joeytaylor (Posts: 443; Member since: 28 Feb 2015)
My contract is up at the end of May....so that will give me ample time to see which one I want S7 or S7 edge.....and like you said....the price should be lower...like happens with every phone
32. TyrionLannister (unregistered)
Yeah, or you can hook up with one of promo offers, like I did on S6.
I brought it for full price(750$) with a 1 year screen replacement and a 150$ gift card(bought ATH-M50x with that).
59. DarkVader777 (Posts: 50; Member since: 10 Feb 2016)
True promos are the wsy to go. Patience will get you the savings. Best buy. 250.00 gift card. There will be other deals research and save.
42. TechieXP1969 (limited) (Posts: 10115; Member since: 25 Sep 2013)
So what if it does? What's wrong with that?
When you have several other OEM's using Android, the only thing you can compete with is cost.
Guess what, I can go buy a PC from one OEM like Dell and pay less for the same or sometimes better hardware over HP. Why? BEcause they all use Windows making their computers basically identical.
All they can do is price haggle. That si the benefit of a platform being used by many. It forces costs down when everything else is nearly the same.
Also the carrier and retailer can sell the phone for whatever they want. If they give a price break to encourage sales, be happy.
Because Apple wont drop their cost even when other carriers do.
You dont see Apple offering BOGO like ATT is doing do you?
Lowering the price is to encourage sales over someone else who offers a similar product. This is normal business.
You make it sound like its bad.
The price isnt goign to drop in a couple months. It usually drops after 2 quarters, because phone sales always die down more as it gets closer to releases of new models.
43. TyrionLannister (unregistered)
"You make it sound like its bad."
No, I don't. I'm just saying it''s smart to wait a month. There is nothing wrong with that. In fact, Samsung has one of the best pricing strategies in my country.
46. 14545 (Posts: 1532; Member since: 22 Nov 2011)
You should do what I should do, and we should stop trying to rationalize with irrational people. God forbid that anyone question their precious company. All hail Samsung.
I can't believe that people can't see how the pricing is a fail. That doesn't mean the phone is, but the price is out of line for the market.
48. TyrionLannister (unregistered)
Not in my country actually. iPhones and android OEM flagships like Z5 cost over 900-1000$ here. Samsung flagships are the only ones under 600-700$(also Nexus and chinese phones).
Then again, we all know TechieXP.
60. DarkVader777 (Posts: 50; Member since: 10 Feb 2016)
I said this b4 and I will say it again. It is costing a fortune to research to next best thing thats y pricing goes up. But patience is what will make you get the deal
12. 27satz (Posts: 134; Member since: 28 Apr 2014)
Can't wait to see how will new touchwiz skin looks in s7. I am sure it is different from note 5.
19. jellmoo (Posts: 1586; Member since: 31 Oct 2011)
Yikes. Looks likes the base S7 will run just shy of $1000 Canadian, with every every configuration being north of that. Can't see it doing that well here at those prices.
21. TheGranter (Posts: 51; Member since: 28 Jan 2016)
only IP67, not 68?
So sony will still be ahead of their competition here
37. TechieXP1969 (limited) (Posts: 10115; Member since: 25 Sep 2013)
Dude, there are only slight differences in IP67 and IP68. It's just a number.
That's like saying, well my car can do 120MPH and mine does 121MPH. Is that really better?
NO. Sony isn't ahead. They certainly aren't selling any better either.
The rating is based on the type of proofing used against dust and water.
The differences is the type of rubber seals.
47. 14545 (Posts: 1532; Member since: 22 Nov 2011)
Again, not even close. IP67 is immersion up to 1 meter for 30 mins, and 68 is immersion up to a specified pressure for an indefinite period of time. That is a big different.
23. sebstin (Posts: 113; Member since: 03 Dec 2015)
USD 600+ is really too much for this phone.. May be we can buy 2-3 BLU/XIAOMI phones..
27. Trakker (Posts: 283; Member since: 11 Feb 2016)
If it has the UFS2.0 memory like the S6 I'm planning to get the 64gb model so all apps etc go on the internal memory then use a 128gb SD for all other files to minimise any lag.
35. TechieXP1969 (limited) (Posts: 10115; Member since: 25 Sep 2013)
It's amazing how the Galaxy S, for the most part has always used 1st party components with only the SnapDragon models housing some 3rd party components, and yet the prices have remained basically the same.
This means the prices will still likely start at $599 for the base S7 on Verizon which is what it has been since the S3, while everyone else tries to sell it for $50-$100 higher. Especially GSM carriers.
This is still good pricing when you consider Samsung's biggest rival sells a phone that does/has far less for more money.
The S should always be flying off the shelves. Sammy just can't get no love in the USA, but this year I think the new S7 with the nice new look that resembles the Note 5, is a very eye-catching design and I don't think anyone is goign to beat that.
Also with the larger battery, 2 days of life, fast charging, 1440p, force touch/junk, new camera, cleaner TouchWiz, expandable storage w/UFS and more; the S could be the king of sales this year.
What Samsung needs to do is release all color options at the same time. Make sure the S Active models appears within a month after the main models are released and have carriers offer 2 for 1 out the box.
The carriers have already paid for the phone. With BOGO they are still recovering all the money by getting you to sign a deal. Come on Sammy...350M phones this year with your nearest rival phone taking a plunge is your chance to capitalize.
61. DarkVader777 (Posts: 50; Member since: 10 Feb 2016)
I agree with 100% of what you had stated. But those
People are out the just gotta have the Iphone cause the apple on it how stupid just a waste of money. Heyyy
Look at my apple sign i must have an iphone im using freakn ridiculous.
45. 14545 (Posts: 1532; Member since: 22 Nov 2011)
Wow, it is amazing to me all the nutjobs that come out of the woodwork when you just mention that their precious brand is overcharging. Since when does the samsung fanbase start acting like apple's? This is just ridiculous. Get over it people, the phone is overpriced by at least 1-200 dollars.
54. keekai05 (Posts: 116; Member since: 31 Mar 2015)
Sure he will. I think he actually is under Samsung's global payroll