Microsoft hints there’s no need for it to build own Windows Phone, has tons of control over Nokia
When asked about his thoughts on the lack of a Microsoft Windows Phone device, Casey McGee, Microsoft's senior marketing manager for WP, said:
“We enjoy having the variety that we do. We are so close to the process that it feels like our child too. Especially with Nokia."
Take it as what you want, but it seems Microsoft is not upset that it does not have a phone like it has the Surface tablet or an Xbox.
"Our relationship is so close we get hardware early and we have some say in how these things are designed. For an engineer or a designer it might feel a little bit different, but I think for people working with the developers and talking broadly about the phone I am very happy with the relationship and the ability to influence what they are doing."
This should make it less likely for Microsoft to release such a device in the future, don’t you think?
1. Whateverman (Posts: 3236; Member since: 17 May 2009)
Wow! That doesn't sound complimentary at all. I would imagine the CEO of the Nokia would be slightly offended by this (but I still think Elop is a mole for M$ so he probably isn't). My feeling is, Microsoft needs Nokia...a whole bunch more than Nokia needs M$. Nokia could have go with Android and made a killing but they went in a different direction. Now when you think WP, 90% a Nokia device comes to mind. Without Nokia, WP wouldn't be where it is now IMHO.
26. Nathan_ingx (Posts: 3135; Member since: 07 Mar 2012)
I got your drift and i agree...it should've been the other way round.
31. windroid (unregistered)
You don’t see the invented sentence "has tons of control over Nokia" in the transcribed text. Unfortunately PA journalist is a bad professional and transforms its own opinion into a fact.
36. KingShango (Posts: 89; Member since: 16 May 2012)
I don't understand why everyone thinks Nokia would make money if they made android phones. Report after report shows that Samsung is the only company that makes money with android. HTC, Moto, Sony and LG all lose money or take tiny profits.
Elop made the right decision, WP may be off to a slow start but MS realizes that the future of computing is mobile and they're not going to give up and have tons of resources to be in long term.
40. Whateverman (Posts: 3236; Member since: 17 May 2009)
We say they would money because we would buy the phones. Samsung is the only one making money because of advertising and brand recognition. And they made the Galaxy S available on every carrier, whereas HTC, Motorola, LG, and Sony are all still trying to make exclusivity work.
Also, these companies are doing very little when it comes innovating beyond Android. Look at all the "S" features that Samsung has built into TouchWiz, compared to the very useful yet meager contributions like Moto's Smart actions, HTC's Blink feed, Optimus' landscape ability and... I don't what Sony offers because they don't make devices for VZW. Now look at what Nokia is doing to build WP... How could we NOT want an OEM with a reputation for putting out THE BEST HARDWARE to build one for Android users?
44. KingShango (Posts: 89; Member since: 16 May 2012)
I still think that Elop made the right decision.
1.) Nokia isn't a massive conglomerate like Samsung. They can't afford to spend $400m on marketing globally. Also it means they don't have the leverage with carriers to get rid of exclusivity, hence the 810 on T-Mob, 820 on At&t and 822 on Verizon.
2.) Most of their in-house products would have to compete directly with Googles efforts. Specifically Maps but also Drive and CityLens etc. On WP they are featured products that get showcased.
3.) Finally, right now MS basically pays Nokia to use WP and it also pays for a huge chunk of marketing. They'd never get that kind of deal from Google.
Nokia could be just another OEM in a crowded field with Android or they could be the premier manufacturer for a small but growing platform. Elop made the best deal for Nokia.
45. TROLL (banned) (Posts: 4851; Member since: 13 Apr 2012)
It's been 3 years there's no big or any slight changes of sales! Look at Sony in 6 months they've reached n3!
49. Whateverman (Posts: 3236; Member since: 17 May 2009)
+1 All valid points! I think going with WP was a good decision too, but it was after a few bad ones had already taken place.
Nokia had one really huge thing going for them... They're NOKIA! They were the top dogs in the mobile industry but just like everyone else, they underestimated the impact that the iPhone would have. And Android just wasn't on their radar at all it seems They had the hardware, the code writers, and the clout to stay relevant, but like Blackberry they waited to long to reinvent themselves and now M$ has them by the nads.
They wanted to become the premier WP manufacturer and they are. But it could have been a much easier task if they had a cash cow device bringing in some extra revenue. To ignore Android is to write off 60+% of the market, so it comes down to are they happy with that 7-8% share or is it finally time to give millions of Android fans what they want?
53. DigitalJedi_X2 (banned) (Posts: 346; Member since: 30 Jan 2012)
You must not know how Nokia used to be to make statements like that.
1. Nokia(before Elop) used to be bigger than Samsung, and Apple combined! This was even after mismanagement from their former managers, and right when Elop first took over. Had they went Android then, Nokia and Samsung would have been duking it out for the #1 spot.
2. The beauty of Google and Android is that you can use your own products and they still get top billing. You need look no further than Samsung right now to see proof of this. Nokia had a built in user base. Their products would have had downloads in the millions. Android was the closest thing to Symbian. Far closer than WP. This is why WP is doing so poorly now. Symbian users jumped ship when Nokia switched to WP. Most would have stayed had they switched to Android. Plus, with Android, Nokia would have had complete control over the hardware and software. The look and the feel of the device. Not so with WP. But since the Nokia board got the billion dollar payoff, then Ballmer's boy Elop took over and brought over a bunch of other MS employees, Nokia has been MS's plaything since then.
3. Nokia PAYS MS to use WP. So that money that MS is putting into Nokia... Is going RIGHT BACK to MS.
Look, back when Symbian and Nokia ruled the roost, and MS was pushing Windows MOBILE, Nokia was the biggest threat to MS. Ballmer never forgot this and when he saw that Nokia was in trouble, he swooped in and effectively "killed off" his #1 competitor. His mistake was thinking loyal Symbian users would all jump ship to WP. Its obvious that almost none of them did. Hence WP being so low on the totem poll now. They'll end up being maybe the 5-7th ecosystem. Android will remain the #1 and iOS #2. Blackberry is already the third ecosystem and will remain so.
54. KingShango (Posts: 89; Member since: 16 May 2012)
First, whatever Nokia was before Elop took over is irrelevent. They've been on a sharp decline since 2008 so the company he took over was a shell of it's former self. And they still weren't looking at Android they were going with MeeGo. If someone else took over they still probably wouldn't be making Android phones.
Second, even if they had switched to Android they're is still no guarantee all their "loyal" customer would've stuck with them. Would all those "loyal" customers have stuck with them if they'd switched to MeeGo?
Third, it's been reported on this site that Nokia gets alot more money from MS than it pays back. I didn't see Google willing to swoop in with a bag of money.
This fantasy that Nokia would be some juggernaut tech company if they'd only switched to Android is ridiculous. It's only been 2 years since they announced the partnership with MS and only about 14 months since they launched the first Windows phone. If WP hasn't gained any traction a year from now they may be in trouble but either way Elop made the best decision he could.
46. TROLL (banned) (Posts: 4851; Member since: 13 Apr 2012)
They never was and didn't ever like high end spec hardwares on there phones!
52. ILikeBubbles (Posts: 397; Member since: 17 Jan 2011)
oh what i wouldn't do to get android on a nokia 920 or similar....
2. yvesyves (Posts: 2; Member since: 22 Mar 2013)
if microsoft create their own smartphone and dissed nokia, android + nokia will kill them..
27. tusshharish (Posts: 342; Member since: 23 Oct 2012)
that's the trust on nokia ..............
30. Feanor (Posts: 409; Member since: 20 Jun 2012)
Correct. I think if Microsoft makes a Surface phone, it will take a huge marke share from Nokia; Nokia -who need every single customer they can get- will be forced to leave the platform and then other manufacturers will stop supporting the platform, because they will see that it doesn't gain traction (and they will have to compete with Microsoft hardware) and the entire platform will sink. I think Microsoft is cleverer than this and they will not shoot themselves in the foot.
3. xperiaDROID (banned) (Posts: 5629; Member since: 08 Mar 2013)
(SIGH) Ok guys, there's no more hope for Nokia + Android! :'(
15. jcpwn2004 (Posts: 314; Member since: 18 Jan 2012)
exactly what I thought when I saw the title. This has to be why we haven't seen an android phone built by nokia. I would buy that in a heartbeat.
28. tigermcm (Posts: 816; Member since: 02 Sep 2009)
all this nokia+android crap.......nokia wouldn't have gone far with android. There are 50 million OEMs for android with Samsung at the top Nokia would have drowned in a sea of androids
4. Sangeet (Posts: 232; Member since: 21 Apr 2012)
I always knew Stephen Elop is more like an agent of Microsoft, ever since Elop tool over, Nokia is going down an behaving like another branch of Microsoft rather than being own company,
Nokia's next step ---->> Metro UI in Asha!! :(
5. Muzhhur (Posts: 256; Member since: 14 Sep 2012)
Well, its sound just for now, I donot belive Microsoft will burn their key partner soon
6. yvesyves (Posts: 2; Member since: 22 Mar 2013)
Nokia should create their Own OS now sigh., im pretty sure Nokia developers are better than MS developers.
7. asingha94 (Posts: 294; Member since: 08 Apr 2012)
Now nokia will do what samsuck & htc had not been able to do in windows phone history!!
8. InspectorGadget80 (Posts: 6975; Member since: 26 Mar 2011)
That's why you guys aren't making sales with ur OS MOTOROLA/SONY/LG isn't even making any WINDOWS device now SAMSUNG stop making it
9. Diego! (Posts: 533; Member since: 15 Jun 2009)
That's right, they have a Troyan Horse there... Hello Elop!
13. cornerofthemoon (Posts: 550; Member since: 20 Apr 2010)
Nokia will probably be the only WP vendor in the next couple of years considering that the sales for the other WP vendors have been less than stellar. HTC and Samsung could be doing great with the platform with they weren't so half assed about it. For all practical purposes, WP will essentially morph into the Nokia OS.
14. Jyakotu (Posts: 824; Member since: 12 Dec 2008)
Honestly, HTC and Samsung just are being lazy when it comes to Windows Phone. Nokia does it right by making premium hardware and offering exclusive apps and features for the Lumia phones. And there are other OEMs that makes WP phones. I know ZTE and Hauwei does, and I think Acer does too.
39. lyndon420 (Posts: 2552; Member since: 11 Jul 2012)
I agree. Nokia will do fine now that their platform of choice has begun to get more noticed. Imagine where they'd be by now if they joined the rest of the OEM's out there who were willing to try the different platforms that were available to them a few years ago. Nokia would be among the big guys.
16. papss (unregistered)
Oh give it a break fandroids... Seriously nothing offensive with any of those statements.. Does google not point a direction for its OEMs? Give it a rest already.. Your lopsided fanboy comments are retarded
21. shuaibhere (Posts: 1829; Member since: 07 Jul 2012)
Yea google just points out the way...they don't control oems...
35. windroid (unregistered)
The only think offensive in the story was the text invented by a very unprofessional journalist "has tons of control over Nokia".
18. edrich (Posts: 27; Member since: 02 Jan 2012)
I don't think what McGee says can really be construed as "has tons of control over Nokia". The title is over-exaggeration. All it says is they have a close relationship and "influence". For the amount invested one would expect something like that in return. You aren't just going to let the company you invested in do whatever they like. But "control" is the wrong word here. Nokia design and feel is still very much dominant in Lumia design.
20. pookiewood (Posts: 629; Member since: 05 Mar 2012)
"has tons of control over Nokia" Totally not what was stated and it's to get the commenters riled up. That is just sad PA. When is working closely together the same as control over?
33. windroid (unregistered)
Unfortunately PA journalist is a bad professional and transforms its own opinion into a fact.
51. papss (unregistered)
Agreed but I would say they are more bloggers with personal agendas than real journalist so it's expected from them
22. cyko969 (Posts: 49; Member since: 23 Mar 2010)
Nokia pretty much set the standard on how to make a WP device. Just hope the other manufacture's open up more to the platform. They see Nokia doing very well, they should be following suite and getting the hint. Having been a previous HTC HD2 user (still use it every now and then), I have hope for HTC to make a killer device for WP ... C'mon HTC!
25. rjmlive (Posts: 55; Member since: 07 Apr 2012)
WP on HTC One design and hardware would pose a serious option to WP buyers. Nokia will always have the developer, quality, and app features as an advantage over any other WP player.
32. cyko969 (Posts: 49; Member since: 23 Mar 2010)
@rjmlive yes definitely agree with you there bud ... but as long as HTC can come up with the enticing hardware, I'm sure they can get back in the game in WP land.
23. Taters (Posts: 3846; Member since: 28 Jan 2013)
I wonder who's fault it was that the Lumia 920 was such a brick? I am guessing Microsoft wanted it thinner and lighter but Nokia insisted on useless features over compactness.
24. rjmlive (Posts: 55; Member since: 07 Apr 2012)
Android has plenty of versions and plenty of high end and low end options already. Nokia can build their own world class portfolio with the mobile OS of the future in Windows Phone and essentially be the only player for that OS, just as they basically are. Other players are bowing out because they are too heavily invested, reliant on Android to put enough resources into both to compete against Samsung (Android) and Nokia (WP). Samsung has the resources to dabble in WP and they started it off nicely with the Focus, a brave move and a rather nice device considering the infancy of WP at the time.
Android is winning this short term battle, in the long haul, Google will have to abandon it, rebuild it from scratch and possibly eventually license it to help recover the significant hole Android is leaving behind. By then WP will be well established and it's competition will likely be IOS when it updates, Tizen, or other OS platforms about to emerge.
Android will always be there, but I can't see it sustaining itself in 5 - 10 years. It's not paying off for Google like they hoped and Samsung is running away with it. This is why you don't hear Google pushing Android anymore, they want to eliminate the Android brand and bring it back to be known as "Google" or Chrome... something they can control more.
Google's future is a Chrome OS (possibly built with Android elements). Android is not the future and Nokia was/is wise to avoid it and partner with Microsoft. As a Nokia WP user, I am extremely happy and I look forward to continuing to invest in the Windows ecosystem.
29. rusticguy (Posts: 2828; Member since: 11 Aug 2012)
2 billion dollar + of a bone thrown can tame any sinking giant to dance to it's tune ... it was Novel earlier, it's Nokia now and soon Dell would be. ... But as one knows with Novel deal, M$ COUPONS always have an expiry date. Dollars thrown at Dell is also to cut of UBUNTU that Dell supports ..
34. Topcat488 (Posts: 1195; Member since: 29 Sep 2012)
Microsoft phone = Surface RT...
Get the picture.
37. lyndon420 (Posts: 2552; Member since: 11 Jul 2012)
Once Nokia's worth has slipped down to where ms wants to see it, they will buy Nokia...then you will see a ms branded surface phone.
On a side note: ignorance is bliss, and the majority of commentors here really have no idea how many Android lovers would love to see their favorite OS inside some Nokia hardware. If Nokia jumped on the Android train back when everyone else was, we probably wouldn't even know who Samsung is today.
38. BitterTruth (unregistered)
Windows phones are only popular because of NOKIA. Microsoft is nothing without Nokia
41. sbw44 (Posts: 425; Member since: 04 Dec 2012)
Wow where does that guy actually state Microsoft has tons of control over Nokia? But wait look who wrote this! Good old Nokia Hater Victor H!
Just shows more and more how your word cant be trusted! same with your biased camera comparisons! Disgrace!
42. cdgoin (Posts: 378; Member since: 28 Jul 2010)
OR MS will release a MS Surface Phone MADE by Nokia..
47. Timmehor (Posts: 599; Member since: 09 Mar 2013)
I still want Nokia to continue making Windows Phone (because they are great/competitive), but what a mean move by Microsoft, man they are douches.
48. networkdood (Posts: 6329; Member since: 31 Mar 2010)
Microsoft owns Nokia...shhhh, do not tell anyone
50. jackhammeR (Posts: 1548; Member since: 17 Oct 2011)
MS won't do it. They screwed kindle once and I think that they prefer to be on the safe side providing Nokia with software rather than conducting some experiments with their own hardware. If they tried to take Nokia for a ride, they would loose the strategic partner.