Is Apple's war against Google hurting iOS?
1. wendygarett (unregistered)
once again nice article Michael... The war always motivate android too to get rid of being ios wannabe ...
10. bobfreking55 (Posts: 866; Member since: 15 Jul 2011)
ICS and the Holo UI was a big leap!
agree, nice article!
Apple is really some sort of ''combiner'' in the industry. they take the best and assemble them into their own product.
Screens from LG/Sharp, Processors from Samsung, GPU's from PowerVr, Camera from Sony and all... Google really played a role in iOS functionality.
i think Apple shouldn't have become this dependent. that fact stops them from being innovative and by the time all companies draw their services away, Apple will lose it's feet and crumble down to ashes. --- in which I hope they do so considering their attitude lately.
30. Smartest-Man (Posts: 3; Member since: 03 Jul 2012)
It's off subject, but I just wanted to say, Wendy Garrett is fine. I agree great article.
107. lyndon420 (Posts: 3832; Member since: 11 Jul 2012)
You're right. She is very easy on the eyes.
124. doublehammer (Posts: 75; Member since: 07 Aug 2012)
The chick in the pic is definitely a hotty.
However, this being the internet and all, I would say "wendy" is the dude on the left. lol.
141. Astro551 (Posts: 46; Member since: 18 Dec 2011)
gotta love google image search. the actor's name is Elly Tran :P (it's a picture of her with another movie actor)
42. TROLL (banned) (Posts: 4851; Member since: 13 Apr 2012)
Copying the market leader seems like the safe marketing decision and will
invariably get u a piece of the market, but there is no way to win by being the copycat. Answer for Android: keep the clone version and work at keeping pace with Apple, while you engage in serious design effort to create something new from the ground up. This will give you continuous money flow and market presence while prepairing for the day you can leap into the front. If your redesign fails, you atleast maintained your current position which should eventually slows down there innovations in this market.
4. thebest (Posts: 231; Member since: 08 Jul 2012)
you can still get all the google apps and services from the app store so i don't want apple to add a default youtube app, i am happy with its removal
16. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2700; Member since: 26 May 2011)
You'll be happy with every YouTube link directing you to the mobile website rather than the app?
21. iamcc (Posts: 1319; Member since: 07 Oct 2011)
At this point Michael, it seems that is what most iOS users would prefer.
This is of course due to the fact that the YouTube app for iOS was HORRIBLE and at this point the mobile site is actually better.
If iOS users had any idea how nice the Android YouTube app is they would not want to be redirected to the mobile site. I think Apple is gambling heavily on the idea that iOS users never look outside the iOS walls so they have no idea what they are missing.
31. thebest (Posts: 231; Member since: 08 Jul 2012)
i also use the galaxy nexus which is updates to jb.....i just don't like youtube default apps, i think its better to download those from the app store or the play store so that we can update, change and delete the app whenever we want....i use the apple products because they have better apps in the app store and i got a nexus because i feel that sticking to a single os makes life boring
25. Savage (unregistered)
There is an alternative for that. Apple needs to be able to set defaults. If I click on a Youtube link, it should give me the option to set the Youtube app as default. What prevents this from happening is iOS and its limitations which need to be overcome.
34. thebest (Posts: 231; Member since: 08 Jul 2012)
you always have an option to jailbreak your phone, you can restore it whenever you want....apple wants to keep things as simple as possible so is u want android like ui, multitasking and more then you gotta jailbreak......the jailbroken ipad is really cool, you can run all android apps on it as well, u can get side by side multitasking and much more
28. thebest (Posts: 231; Member since: 08 Jul 2012)
no, i will be happy with every youtube link directing me to google's new youtube app from the app store, the current youtube app is boring, the new youtube app will have some extra cool stuff
33. iamcc (Posts: 1319; Member since: 07 Oct 2011)
Michael's point is that due to current iOS limitations it will not be possible for a YouTube link to direct you to the app unless the app is an iOS app, which will no longer be the case.
Unless you are referring to your Galaxy Nexus in which case i'll shut up now.
47. thebest (Posts: 231; Member since: 08 Jul 2012)
maybe apple will allow users to integrate it to the OS just like facebook, twitter and ibooks apps, the current ios limitations are for the ios5 and it will have the default youtube app forever.....i use both android and ios devices and i won't sell either of those, unlike most of the others who buy one of the two and criticize the other ........and i prefer the ios only because both google and apple are working for it.....even if apple removes default google apps, i will get them from the app store....as far as android is concerned, i think that is people feel that iphone is too expensive then they can get a galaxy nexus which is pretty cool for its price.....people say that other android phones have better specs but i never noticed the advantage of higher specs, my iphone always outperformed my friend's galaxy s3 in performance, apps and games but yes,the screen is small, i think a 4 inch screen would be the best,s3 is just too big...... the galaxy nexus gets updated even before the galaxy s3 and it runs apps as good as my friend's s3 even though its $300 cheaper.....i think that those who want to get a new phone should choose the iphone 5 or the galaxy nexus...existing ios/android users can't change their os because if they do so, then they will have to leave all the apps and games that they have purchased previously....i am eagerly waiting for the iphone 5 and the next nexus phone
138. sansam100 (Posts: 13; Member since: 11 Jun 2012)
It is possible coz while on safari there is an option to open PDF file on PDF reader which is a third party app
49. TROLL (banned) (Posts: 4851; Member since: 13 Apr 2012)
Michael Heller your article is, are, proficient...... keep it up.
52. thebest (Posts: 231; Member since: 08 Jul 2012)
hey, its srk's fan once again, which phone do u use? android phone? or nokia?
54. TROLL (banned) (Posts: 4851; Member since: 13 Apr 2012)
Big SRK fan. S3 oneX Nokia 8800 carbon Arte. And you?
55. thebest (Posts: 231; Member since: 08 Jul 2012)
ipad 1,3........iphone3g, 4s and planning to buy the iphone 5........the galaxy nexus s and the galaxy nexus.......and also my nokia 5800...i have used ios and android but this one was my first touch screen phone and i love it :)
88. theBankRobber (Posts: 676; Member since: 22 Sep 2011)
All I hear is a bunch of whining coming out your mouth.
126. thebest (Posts: 231; Member since: 08 Jul 2012)
oh shut up........i don't like to stick to a single os, i am not a fanboy and i don't want to be an unpaid promoter of any os.....infact, i am also thinking of trying windows 8 now.....everyone should do that before telling good or bad about any os
91. Martine (Posts: 102; Member since: 20 Oct 2011)
You are simply the best here.
Ray and Alan should really learn from instead writing bogus copy and paste articles every time
6. Jobes (Posts: 364; Member since: 27 Oct 2011)
Great article Michael, Apple cannot expect to go thermonucular without fallout. To remove YouTube.... I can hear the screams already.
7. jmoita2 (Posts: 930; Member since: 23 Dec 2011)
The war Apple started against Google/Android reminds me of the war Germany once started against the old USSR. Extremely successful at first, but in the end led to their ultimate destruction...
8. Jobes (Posts: 364; Member since: 27 Oct 2011)
Germany was doing swell till they decided to fight on multiple fronts.. wonder what Apple is doing..
18. MeoCao (unregistered)
Haha, but the result of that war is a prosperous Germany and extinction of USSR.
Joking aside, we can see that Apple became too arrogant and tries to use lawsuits to discredit competitors instead of improving their OS. They take users for fools that can be deceived by their theatrics.
23. tedkord (Posts: 10217; Member since: 17 Jun 2009)
That was not the result of that war. The fall of Russia and the rise of a prosperous Germany had to do with one embracing freedom, the other embracing draconian tyranny and closed walls.
Now, some uncanny parallels can be drawn from this to the current Android/iOS war as well.
37. MeoCao (unregistered)
Was democracy in Germany possible w/o the defeat of the old Germany? And victory in WW2 made the Soviets believe they were right and made any change to the system impossible.
So I think Apple's victory in mobile war over Nokia and RIM is fitting analogy to the Soviet victory in WW2 with Google playing the role of democratic forces.
Totalitarian Apple will be defeated. LOL
98. tedkord (Posts: 10217; Member since: 17 Jun 2009)
Well yeah, democracy was possible in Germany. Any regime that rules through oppression will eventually fall. It's exactly what happened in the USSR. Their victory in WWII didn't stop their fall around the same time as East and West Germany reuniting as a democracy.
11. MeoCao (unregistered)
iOS on a suicide mission!
13. kunyuk (Posts: 56; Member since: 29 Jun 2012)
Whether Apple likes it or not, Google is a great software company, and it makes products that people use, even if they don't use Android.
Apple is very furious to google.
15. rudlie (Posts: 201; Member since: 13 Mar 2012)
not a competent writer, he complaint about youtube app gone at ios 6. he doesn't rad that google will make it a personal app like google map/goole+/gmail. what a crap article.
17. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2700; Member since: 26 May 2011)
Not a competent reader. I said exactly that YouTube will be made available in the App Store, but that there are limitations to this option.
20. rudlie (Posts: 201; Member since: 13 Mar 2012)
so you also not a competent user. do you ever using youtube app on existing ios? some limitations of the application already there compared using youtube from web browser, so, who need ios' youtube application anymore?
22. iamcc (Posts: 1319; Member since: 07 Oct 2011)
^This is my point exactly.
Poor rudlie doesn't even know how nice a YouTube app could be because he has been limited to using the crappy YouTube app found on iOS.
38. rudlie (Posts: 201; Member since: 13 Mar 2012)
you don't got my point. he wrote a long article just to summary how apple will suffered without google apps on ios. he talk only on google side view. so, let's we talk the opposite view. does he count how google loose market and service if google does not provide apps on ios. google main profit comes from services and information. if google surrender on ios market, other competitor such microsoft and yahoo can force the market through ios.
61. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)
No he only cares about googles side
69. johnbftl (Posts: 281; Member since: 09 Jun 2012)
If the argument it's competency, rudlie, you lose based on grammar alone. Holy hell my brain hurts from trying to decipher the nonsense you typed up. Way to go American public school systems! Michael your article was great. If Apple wants to survive, they need to loosen their stifling grip on the OS. Lynx why they are losing market share to Android at an alarming rate.
73. johnbftl (Posts: 281; Member since: 09 Jun 2012)
Meant to say it's why they're losing market share to Android at an alarming rate, not lynx. Curses to auto correct
129. good2great (Posts: 1042; Member since: 22 Feb 2012)
and you insult this guy for expressing himself but you fail to proof read before you posted your comment...
cant believe you got thumbs up.
109. lyndon420 (Posts: 3832; Member since: 11 Jul 2012)
I'm sure apple will make Google apps available to its customers because Google is the leader in search and YouTube is the leader in videos. Apple wants the best user experience right, so why would they make it impossible to access these premium services that people have been using all this time?
36. Savage (unregistered)
So you're saying iOS users do NOT need a youtube app for their iPhones and that the browser will do?
That may be due to issues you have with your app, but a lot of Youtube users will be pissed off.
40. rudlie (Posts: 201; Member since: 13 Mar 2012)
yes. we can access youtube using browser. apple just try to avoid licensing on youtube app. we don't afraid. google will bring back their missing app to ios. if they don't provide, they prepare to loose some market.
48. Savage (unregistered)
Google losing market share because Apple doesn't wanna pay licensing fee for one app? Where did that come from?
56. iamcc (Posts: 1319; Member since: 07 Oct 2011)
rudlie...Before I start let me say that I am in no way trying to be rude.
I am guessing that English is your second language which is why I think you are missing the point...
Nobody is arguing over whether or not Google will create a YouTube app for iOS. We are almost certain that WILL happen.
The point is that due to current iOS limitations (which may not be there in iOS6) even if Google DOES create a YouTube app you will STILL be directed to the mobile site when you click on a link.
118. rudlie (Posts: 201; Member since: 13 Mar 2012)
you still view this thing on one point of view. this article seems to show apple will destructed by own nuke bom. I am an iOS, android, and blackberry user.
if you can answer my question, how many changes do you get since you first time using native youtube at iOS? A lot, few, or nothing? We can return the application to google and then google can maintain it. we will get the update of google's youtube app at iOS any time without waiting iOS update. every new features can put on the update, like, some how you can see google+ app on ios get first feature than android's. this is an advantage for user, not for the apple and google.
130. good2great (Posts: 1042; Member since: 22 Feb 2012)
dude i'm sorry you're getting thumbed down so much...
android users here are rude as hell man... it's like they are so bent on wanting to shove their views down people's throats that they aren't trying to understand what you mean.
i get what you're saying...
this article was written to show a negative effect on iOS for dropping google's services. yes, he mentioned that google will make stand alone apps but you're point his he didnt go into how beneficial it would be for apple users to have those stand alone apps instead of embedded apps that will never see an update.
you used great illustrations explaining it... and its very rude for people to judge you because they feel you don't know how to type english...
the population of this site is being overrun by tech bullies... if you're not pro-android then you are an idiot... smh
133. doublehammer (Posts: 75; Member since: 07 Aug 2012)
I see the removal of the youtube app as a positive. Since its no longer a system app, it doesnt need to wait for an iOS update. Those that want to watch youtube can simply DL the app from the market, and it will be updated at Google's will... which is normally pretty often for their big apps... instead of being under Apple's controlling thumb.
134. doublehammer (Posts: 75; Member since: 07 Aug 2012)
its not "android users". Its people on both sides. Dont start painting wide uneven strokes with the "fan" brush.
19. Odeira (Posts: 242; Member since: 29 Jun 2012)
Apple Does NOT want iDevice users to use a practically ubiquitous tool like Google services, (e.g.: Maps, YouTube, Gmail, etc; Because of too much pride and think that their solutions are for the "better.")
24. JunitoNH (Posts: 1604; Member since: 15 Feb 2012)
I will answer this Nope!!!!! Average Joe can careless what is happening with Apple vs. Samsung, in fact most don't have a clue of the court proceedings taking place. Main stream media don't care, so is a none issue.
26. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2700; Member since: 26 May 2011)
What is happening with Apple v Samsung has no bearing on this argument at all. The point is that the Average Joe uses Google products like Maps and YouTube on a very regular basis, so they know what to expect, but Apple won't be providing it.
27. naga.appani (Posts: 36; Member since: 26 Nov 2011)
Great Article.. But, limiting Google could frustrate users from a rich experience at least for few years till they get rich Apps competitive enough with Google, It is not going to be easy at all... To speak facts, Apple actually spoiling the end user exeprience by doing this now, not sure how rich they make those apps, but impossible to be competitive enough with Google... Google has built them for a decade with a lot of hardwork and ideas invloved.. Nobody can take away that innovation from Google...
Apart from limitations, It is possible that Google could be winner after all as they come up with their own Apps, and use them for Google Ads business.. So, it earns Google money for sure... But, It is clear that future is all with Android...
41. TheRetroReplay (Posts: 254; Member since: 20 Mar 2012)
It most certainly is hurting iOS. There are people who hear about this war against Android and hear about Apple's business practices towards Android (or just their business practices in general) and it turns people off to Apple products.
But in terms of removing Google apps, that's not really hurting iOS. Because the Google branded apps never got any updates, probably because they were made by Apple and Apple saw no reason to update them because they just linked to Google's services. They are the appendix of iOS, vestigial apps. No one will notice of they're gone, and even if they do, they won't care or there will be a version that Google made themselves and is in the App Store.
60. tedkord (Posts: 10217; Member since: 17 Jun 2009)
I can only offer some personal anecdotes, which don't prove anything. However, I was planning on buying my daughter an iPhone this fall to replace her Droid 2, and she was wanting an iPad for Christmas. But, since Apple tried to ban every HTC phone a month or two back, I have decided that I will buy no Apple product. Ever.
So, she is now rocking a superior RAZR Maxx, and will be getting an Android tablet for Christmas, not sure which model. Maybe a Nexus 7.And, she loves the Maxx, doesn't long for an iPhone at all, says the Maxx is better.
57. DePenguin (Posts: 22; Member since: 13 Jan 2012)
Here's my opinion. I used iOS ever since the ipod touch 2nd gen. I bought an iPhone 4 in August 2010 and in December 2011, I switched to Android with the Galaxy Nexus. The reason for my switch was because iOS was starting to feel stale and boring. With my Nexus and Android, I was able to customize my phone to my heart's desire and had the joy of using a more advanced OS. However, the android product as a whole disappointed me. The level of refinement was nearly not as much as iOS. I felt that the music app was lacking, the browser lagged a bit too much for my liking, the screen ended up with burn in issues and had a very odd tint to it, and speaker/call quality is sub par. Yes this is not Android's fault for most of my complaints, but I'm looking at the product as a whole. If I look in terms of just operating system, Android is great. It can be buggy, complicated, and frustrating at times but google did an amazing job with Ice Cream Sandwich. However, when I look at the whole package, I miss iOS and the iPhone. This does mean I will switch back to iOS though. I am sure that my next upgrade will be an android device and hopefully i will pick up a much better and more refined device.