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ARM and Samsung putting final touches on a 64-bit Exynos, 128-bit mobile chips fleshed out, too

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ARM and Samsung putting final touches on a 64-bit Exynos, 128-bit mobile chips fleshed out, too
A "senior ARM official" has confirmed for Korean media that the chip architecture developer has been working with Samsung to bring a 64-bit processor to its smartphones and tablets next year.

The CPU should belong to Samsung's Exynos family, and is likely planned as a direct response to the 64-bit Apple A7 chipset, as found in the iPhone 5s and the new iPads. “Executives from Samsung and ARM had a meeting today. They discussed the ARM 64-bit chip, which is expected to be used in Samsung’s smartphone next year,” were the senior manager's exact words.

Cortex-M processors, for devices such as a smart home system, have been discussed during the meeting as well, where ARM’s executive vice president of commercial and global development, Antonio Viana, has allegedly been present. The insider also noted that 128-bit processors are being bandied about at ARM as a possibility, but not until two years from now. 

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posted on 19 Nov 2013, 09:40 13

1. SuperAndroidEvo (Posts: 4859; Member since: 15 Apr 2011)


Samsung is just a monster at this VERY moment.

posted on 19 Nov 2013, 12:24

25. good2great (Posts: 1042; Member since: 22 Feb 2012)


lol i figured they would announce some rediculous 128Bit chips. haha

posted on 19 Nov 2013, 13:27

30. Shatter (Posts: 2036; Member since: 29 May 2013)


128bit is false there is no reason for it. There will never be 128bit it will be replaced with something else before it is needed. Servers are not even close to using exabytes of ram and 64bit is good up to 16 exabytes.

posted on 19 Nov 2013, 16:28 1

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posted on 19 Nov 2013, 18:11 2

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posted on 19 Nov 2013, 20:18

46. MrJerry (Posts: 403; Member since: 05 Oct 2012)


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posted on 19 Nov 2013, 09:42 10

2. Droid_X_Doug (Posts: 5993; Member since: 22 Dec 2010)


I think you will see 64-bit SoC with 4+ Gb of RAM before 128-bit SoC.

posted on 19 Nov 2013, 09:47 4

3. Ninetysix (Posts: 2461; Member since: 08 Oct 2012)


Let's see people's reactions when other smartphone manufacturers start using 64bit SoCs with less than 4GB of RAM. I wonder if they'll say the same things that they posted here.

http://www.phonearena.com/news/The-iPhone-5S-64-bit-processor-is-for-marketing-not-performance-benefits_id47338

posted on 19 Nov 2013, 09:58 11

5. nicholassss (Posts: 368; Member since: 10 May 2012)


Giving we're already seeing phones with 3GB of ram, I'm sure we'll see 4GB of ram about the same time, if not before we see a 64 bit SoC

posted on 19 Nov 2013, 10:01 6

6. Augustine (Posts: 1043; Member since: 28 Sep 2013)


No, ARMv8 increased the number of registers and enriched the instruction set, things that make programs to run faster without increasing power. Not to mention that it makes things simpler in the kernel side and favorssimpler programming, which hinders bugs. This is the reason why Apple went for 64 bits; it makes a whole lot of technical sense.

posted on 19 Nov 2013, 10:28 2

15. JakeLee (banned) (Posts: 1021; Member since: 02 Nov 2013)


Completely agreed.

But unlike iOS, Android will hardly benefit from this for several reasons.

The author of the article below admitted his mistakes, too.
http://www.extremetech.com/gaming/166244-iphone-5s-the-64-bit-a7-chip-is-marketing-fluff-and-wont-improve-performance

Pay attention to the comments. And I'm the same Jake among the commentators.

posted on 19 Nov 2013, 14:21

33. wilsong17 (unregistered)


but why do they need perfomance i thought sheep say the iphone are fast

posted on 19 Nov 2013, 16:50

39. Finalflash (Posts: 3224; Member since: 23 Jul 2013)


Yea, because only Apple benefits from anything really. The biased BS you are entertaining here is laugh worthy. iOS currently gets 0 benefit from the "64 bit" nature of the chip largely because it has 1 gb of RAM. The optimizations on the instruction set will be available to all manufacturers. You can increase the pipeline and registers on a chip easily but at the cost of power and of course man power. That is what Apple did to increase performance instead of the usual gigahertz route. Hence why their power usage remained the same on their 5s but with a nice speed boost on the same frequency. Also, please don't spout your NDK nonsense here, we know its BS.

posted on 19 Nov 2013, 18:40

43. JakeLee (banned) (Posts: 1021; Member since: 02 Nov 2013)


The new ISA and extra, wide registers are only available in 64-bit mode.
Majority of Android apps will be 32-bit ones though for 4~5 years from now due to the high level of fragmentation.

posted on 19 Nov 2013, 10:18

10. tedkord (Posts: 12310; Member since: 17 Jun 2009)


I will. Because it will still be true.

posted on 19 Nov 2013, 09:48 14

4. livyatan (Posts: 867; Member since: 19 Jun 2013)


I'm sick of halfassed amateurish writting about mobile SoC's!

Does author of this article know what the ARM v8 is??
It is a 64bit ARM architecture announced ages ago with the Cortex A53 and A57 cores.
Samsung had it in their roadmap for years!

Apple is only the first company to have used it.

posted on 19 Nov 2013, 10:10 6

7. ardent1 (Posts: 2000; Member since: 16 Apr 2011)


A roadmap can also be fiction. The Apple A7 chip is the real deal.

It's one thing to say we will build it; it's another thing when your competitor not only built it, but is using it to redefine the mobile space.

posted on 19 Nov 2013, 13:04 3

27. rusticguy (Posts: 2828; Member since: 11 Aug 2012)


Yea like Apple is now said to be working on a curved iPhad (cross of iPhone and iPad) or Phablet of Android world. Everyone is just copying Samsung these days more than Samsung copying others :)

posted on 19 Nov 2013, 10:11 4

8. JakeLee (banned) (Posts: 1021; Member since: 02 Nov 2013)


Sammy planned it for servers and NOT for smartphones.

And you seem to be the one who shouldn't be talking about SoCs.

A7 is neither CA53 nor CA57. It's Apple's own design with only the ISA being licensed from ARM.

Samsung lacks this capability and has to license CA53 or CA57 reference design from ARM.

That's a huge difference.

posted on 19 Nov 2013, 10:20 4

11. tedkord (Posts: 12310; Member since: 17 Jun 2009)


Bull. ARM announced well over a year ago that the processors would be showing up in phones early 2014.

posted on 19 Nov 2013, 10:23 2

12. JakeLee (banned) (Posts: 1021; Member since: 02 Nov 2013)


It was 2015

posted on 19 Nov 2013, 10:25 4

14. Chipsy4 (unregistered)


Euhmm... no. Large scale production was expected in early 2014.
anandtech(com)/show/6420/arms-cortex-a57-and-corte​x-a53-the-first-64bit-armv8-cpu-cores

posted on 19 Nov 2013, 10:35 1

17. identity (Posts: 6; Member since: 27 Feb 2012)


A7 is based on ARM's chips. Apple pays ARM licensing fees in order to use their chips. What Apple does is they fork their own version of the chip, just like how Amazon forks Android for their own OS. Samsung and other companies use the ARM reference chips as their own chips without modifying it for themselves.

posted on 19 Nov 2013, 11:06 1

22. JakeLee (banned) (Posts: 1021; Member since: 02 Nov 2013)


Nonsense. These are different kinds of licenses.
Apple/Qualcomm *do* their own design with ARM ISA.
Samsung *may not* alter ARM's Cortex design.

Both Apple and Qualcomm don't have Cortext SoC for that reason. They are called Swift, Cyclone, Snapdragon, etc...

posted on 19 Nov 2013, 12:10 2

23. tedkord (Posts: 12310; Member since: 17 Jun 2009)


Samsung can and does. That's what the Exynos is.

posted on 19 Nov 2013, 17:08

40. Tehk17 (Posts: 1; Member since: 19 Nov 2013)


Umm, no. Exynos is the name of the SoC, not the core.

Samsung does not use their own core designs like Apple and Qualcomm do with Swift/Cyclone and Scorpion/Krait (respectively). Samsung does not have the lisences for this. They can only take existing ARM cores and implement into an SoC. Such as how Exynos 5 chips use the A15.

posted on 19 Nov 2013, 13:10

29. Sauce (unregistered)


Billy and Tommy both have a friend named Jane.
Billy and Tommy both have sausage for Jane.
Billy has told Jane about his sausage.
Tommy has filled Jane with his.

Who gets more credit? Billy or Tommy?

posted on 19 Nov 2013, 15:36 1

34. jpkelly05 (Posts: 100; Member since: 13 Nov 2012)


Jane... if she starts using Billy's at the same time.... Ha Ha Ha Ha

posted on 19 Nov 2013, 10:15 11

9. JakeLee (banned) (Posts: 1021; Member since: 02 Nov 2013)


A smartphone with a 64-bit SoC and 32-bit Android.

It gonna be the joke of the century.

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