Qualcomm's first custom 64-bit core officially unveiled: Qualcomm Kryo promises 2x boost in performance

Now, more than ever, Qualcomm is under the gun. While the average Joe on the street might not think twice about it, smartphone fanatics can't help seeing the number 810 and automatically start sniffing for smoke. While the number of top-shelf models that employ the Snapdragon 810 SoC has recently increased sharply (including the three new Sony Xperia Z5 models unveiled today), some manufacturers are apparently waiting for the Snapdragon 820 to roll off of the assembly line.

The Snapdragon 820 chipset is going to feature Qualcomm's own 64-bit Kryo CPUs. Kryo is built using a 14nm FinFET process and can handle speeds up to 2.2GHz. According to Qualcomm, the CPU will offer twice the performance and power efficiency found on the Snapdragon 810 chip.

The Snapdragon 820's main competition comes from Apple's upcoming A9 series of chips, Samsung's line of Exynos processors, Huawei's custom HiSilicon chips, and the MediaTek Helio X20 chipset. The latter is particularly interesting with its Tri-Cluster CPU build, the Helio X20 features two ARM Cortex-A72 cores for the most power intensive tasks, and two clusters of four ARM Cortex-A53 cores. One is running at 2GHz for tasks requiring "medium" power. The other cluster runs at a clock speed of 1.4GHz for lighter use. You added the cores up correctly, the Helio X20 comes with a deca-core CPU.

The Snapdragon 820 is important to Qualcomm as it tries to move past the heating problems that affected the Snapdragon 810 SoC. One important step would be winning back Samsung's business with the Galaxy S7. Thanks to the overheating rumors that engulfed the Snapdragon 810 SoC at the time, Samsung decided to use its own Exynos 7420 chipset for the Samsung Galaxy S6 in regions (like the U.S.) where it usually used a Snapdragon chip.

If Qualcomm can successfully hold back the challenges it faces from various emerging chip makers and the Snapdragon 820 is every bit the success that Qualcomm believes it will be, this year will seem like a nightmare that it has finally awoken from. And while more manufacturers might examine the idea of churning out their own processors (Xiaomi says it will have two available next year for mid and low-range models), Qualcomm is doing the R&D required to keep its chipsets inside low, mid and high-end smartphones in the years ahead.

source: Qualcomm



1. Mxyzptlk unregistered

Qualcomm should be sued for the dud they released as the SD810.

4. DeusExCellula

Posts: 1390; Member since: Oct 05, 2014

They are responsible for the Z3+, M9, failures. HTC should be loading up a lawsuite...

7. Mxyzptlk unregistered

Part of the M9's failures is on HTC but yes they should be suing Qualcomm for the faulty chips.

33. MiAnyemi

Posts: 34; Member since: Apr 02, 2014

If htc should sue Qualcomm for the failure of the M9, they should as well be suing Toshiba for the poor quality camera

36. sharks

Posts: 236; Member since: Feb 16, 2013

HTC could have done like LG and be smart enough to recognize a bad decision by avoiding the 810 and using the 808 instead, like in the G4 which turned out to be a success relative to the M9.

9. Pattyface

Posts: 1658; Member since: Aug 20, 2014

No they Sony and HTC are fully responsible.. Its called testing and they clearly did not

11. Michael.Parker

Posts: 273; Member since: Aug 22, 2015

Sony and HTC signed a deal to use the 810 so how are they in any way responsible since they had no expectations of those heating problems and had to do major redesigns to handle all the extra thermal management their phones needed.

13. Pattyface

Posts: 1658; Member since: Aug 20, 2014

Do you think for one moment they would sign a deal without testing the processor? Come on man

17. Michael.Parker

Posts: 273; Member since: Aug 22, 2015

Very often deals are made to use components before they're even made as it helps with negotiations to get the best price on all the SOCs they get over the years. And right now Sony are struggling for money and don't have the negotiating power Samsung has who just their own 7420 SOC instead showing they don't need Qualcomm.

26. hound.master

Posts: 1044; Member since: Feb 27, 2015

Really I'm mean really do they even test their f**king phones none of them could say to the company hey this phone is hot? And why didn't they down clock the fucking chip when they couldn't make full use of it?

23. ibend

Posts: 6747; Member since: Sep 30, 2014

and G flex2, OP2, and (maybe) Z5 family failure

37. abc_xyz

Posts: 17; Member since: Aug 22, 2015

HTC should also sue themselves for using the same design as M8 :P

39. roldefol

Posts: 4744; Member since: Jan 28, 2011

That was the real tragedy of the M9. I really thought it would be a substantial redesign like the renders this time last year, pushing the speakers to the top and bottom, etc. The M9 looked stale next to the GS6/Edge.

46. Niva.

Posts: 440; Member since: Jan 05, 2015

Yeah, those renders were so good, I was almost ready to pull the trigger and once the actual device came out looking like last years all my motivation vanished.

47. Techist

Posts: 311; Member since: Jan 27, 2015

But none of the companies was ever under any obligation to use the SD810 but they did anyway even after doing their own testing and even after the issue had become publicly known. They could have decided, like Samsung, to go with something different, but they didn't. So they have only themselves to blame. If as a restaurant owner you hear that a certain company's products have a bad taste, and you buy samples of the product and determine for yourself that they have a bad taste, but nevertheless go ahead and order large quantities of that product to serve your customers who then shun your restaurant because they know you are serving that bad tasting product, you have only yourself to blame. Additionally, blaming the processor alone for the weak sales is a little too simplistic. There are other factors like the camera, battery life, design, display, etc.

2. Tziggy14

Posts: 624; Member since: Sep 02, 2014

Too late Qualcomm. Snapdragon 810 left a bad taste in my mouth in buying any phones containing your chips. You are not Intel, and you will never will be.

3. wargreymon

Posts: 764; Member since: Nov 05, 2013

May I ask what you are using in your phone then, can't be a smartphone if you are that weak stomached? Because all SoCs have suffered from one horrible thing sometime in their lifetime.

5. Tziggy14

Posts: 624; Member since: Sep 02, 2014

GS6 and not having a single proble,

12. wargreymon

Posts: 764; Member since: Nov 05, 2013

You can't use Exynos dude, they were overheating and power hungry for generations! You gotta stick to your words and never use anything that has sometime in their life been bad, which leaves nothing at all. Get over your hate.

18. Plutonium239

Posts: 1218; Member since: Mar 17, 2015

I've heard of the GS6 overheating as well.

22. Mreveryphone

Posts: 1822; Member since: Apr 22, 2014

My s6 edge gets hot just when Web browsing and taking pics. On the contrary my note 5 stays as cool as the other side of the pillow.

27. hound.master

Posts: 1044; Member since: Feb 27, 2015

If we not consider GS6 exsynos with is the best soc due to 14nm manufacturing all of the exynos chips have overheating issues And power consumption.

6. houston101

Posts: 8; Member since: Jul 07, 2015

sooo now that u've mentioned which chips would you prefer??

8. Pattyface

Posts: 1658; Member since: Aug 20, 2014

I will more than likely get a phone with the 820 in it at some point. The past is just that.. The past. My s6 was terribly laggy though realizing mine was a lemon didn't keep me from getting the s6 edge plus with the same processor

10. Guaire

Posts: 886; Member since: Oct 15, 2014

SD820 can't help them to beat back Mediatek, because their real battlefield with them was at low and mid range. In coming days their real trouble with Mediatek will be against mid range Helio P10 not Helio X20.

14. roldefol

Posts: 4744; Member since: Jan 28, 2011

Right, so they're also teeing up the A72-based octa-core SD620 and hex-core SD618.

16. Guaire

Posts: 886; Member since: Oct 15, 2014

It will be more powerful for sure, but I doubt that it will be cheap comparable to Helio P10. Cost wise Helio P10 probably will be more close to SD425.

28. hound.master

Posts: 1044; Member since: Feb 27, 2015

Mediatek is mostly in east Asia and there's many big problems with it that i recommend to all to avoid them first of all it's gpu unit sucks A Lot then there's power efficiency with mediatek socs moving in opposite direction in it. Not to mention many features SD socs have like quick charge etc....

30. Guaire

Posts: 886; Member since: Oct 15, 2014

Actually Mediatek counterpart of SD410 had a more powerful GPU and the SD615 counterpart had equally powerful GPU which is Mali-T760 MP2. The SD615 accompanied heating issues and lower performance than MT6752, no suprise because it manufacturing inferior 28nm LP process while Mediatek one manufacturing 28nm HPM. Also Mediatek has their own quick charge tech called Pump Express.

32. hound.master

Posts: 1044; Member since: Feb 27, 2015

That's the mid and low categories yeah mediatek can be considered better in that due to lower price but lets not forget it's hard to even find a mediatek powered phone outside China i never see one myself maybe the price advantage is only there.

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