Poll results: Does Microsoft still have a chance against Android and iOS?

Poll results: Does Microsoft still have a chance against Android and iOS?
Microsoft's CEO decided to start on the clean in the phone business, announcing a complete writeoff of the Nokia acquisition, to the tune of $7.8 billion, or about the same it paid for the struggling Finnish phone maker last year. In addition, Microsoft will gradually be nixing 7800 jobs, the vast majority of which will be from Nokia's ex-Devices and Services division, thus leaving only one in four employees from the Nokia that were when it was gobbled up.

It's a pretty smart move on behalf of the new CEO Satya Nadella, who was against the Nokia acquisition in the first place. Now, all the writeoffs can be blamed on his predecessor, who pushed relentlessly for the Nokia coup, while any future positives resulting from the rumored thin and light metal Lumias with Windows 10 Mobile, will be attributed to Mr Nadella's leadership.

Since Microsoft's CEO commented yesterday that the company is not giving up on the mobile strategy, but rather restructuring it, and will be outing fewer, more tailored handsets to see what sticks, it's a bit premature to sing the eulogy for Windows phones. This is why we asked you yesterday if you think that even with new and attractive Lumias, and a fresh Win 10 operating system across the phone, tablet and computer realm, Microsoft can stand a chance against the Android-iOS duopoly? Interestingly enough, more than 58% of our respondents consider Microsoft still a viable player in mobile, which jibes with the CEO's comments on the matter, too. It's too early to tell anyway, let's see what phone will Microsoft announce in the fall, and how will they be folded into the Windows ecosystem.

Does Microsoft still have a chance against Android and iOS?

Yes, with the new Lumias and Win 10 Microsoft can bounce back in mobile
No, it's too late for any meaningful success against Android and iOS



1. Clars123

Posts: 1078; Member since: Mar 16, 2015

It all depends on what the new Lumias and windows 10 mobile have to offer....once Microsoft's new phones are out we can then truly see if they stand a chance.

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38. illbeonthebeach

Posts: 31; Member since: Jul 06, 2015

If they do something innovative, and don't put the MS name on it they have a chance.

2. AlikMalix unregistered

YES! If apple was able to enter the smartphone and find success from the get-go, MSFT has even a better chance since they're already in the market. Who knows when companies that big are under pressure - they come up with some ground moving stuff that change everything...

4. Jason2k13

Posts: 1462; Member since: Mar 28, 2013

The difference was it took 1 year for Apple to become successful. The market then was less saturated and the iPhone was unique especially with the app store and touch screen. WP on the other hand has been around for at least 5 years now and their success and marketshare has not change much. The features of WP 10 has nothing unique, they are just improving their phones which android and iphones already have. Good luck to Microsoft.

16. Finalflash

Posts: 4063; Member since: Jul 23, 2013

They were 2-3 years late to market (more like 5-7 but we will assume WP 8 was decent) with fewer features than the competition and less appeal. They then wasted time crippling Nokia from the inside in order to buy them cheap and then ended up culling the remains anyway. Finally, WP 10 is now 7-8 years too late and is likely going to be demolished because the competition is much more agile and/or established while the WP name is in tatters.

17. Penny

Posts: 1851; Member since: Feb 04, 2011

Yes and no... In developed countries, smartphone saturation has gone over the 50% mark and so growth in those countries will probably slow down. However, most of the world is still acquiring smartphones, so there is plenty of global market opportunity left. A more important point in my mind though is what happens next after smartphones. Do we stop inventing and selling communications tech to people? Nope. MS is unlikely to ever make it to the number one spot in global smartphone marketshare now, but they have the opportunity to be a major player in that next race, whatever it is. Internet of things, I wait to see what you bring!

39. illbeonthebeach

Posts: 31; Member since: Jul 06, 2015

They need to innovate and do something different.

6. MrElectrifyer

Posts: 3960; Member since: Oct 21, 2014

Exactly, and that's what they did in the Tablet market, now they just have to be very innovative again and come up with something more advanced and unique compared to the competition.

24. epdm2be

Posts: 822; Member since: Apr 20, 2012

which they "could" have achieved with a PROPER co-operation with Nokia. Instead of killing that company. Nokia that, just like Microsoft, has the most experience in smartphones, software and hardware. These 2 companies combined SHOULD have created the most feature rich, best performing and most beautiful smartphones EVER. Yet what M$ created is disappointing to say the least! And what they did to Nokia is DISGUSTING! I don't even care how "good" Windows 10 will be or how good these Lumia's have become. Just GO AWAY! I give them NO CREDIT anymore. AFAIC M$ can rot in hell.

26. elitewolverine

Posts: 5192; Member since: Oct 28, 2013

Not that you would even be smart enough to open a history book, but nokia was in trouble well before elop or MS. In fact when Elop was hired, he asked for a Meego phone, the OS that was in production for YEARS, and there wasn't a single device that could be shown to him at time of asking for the fall season. Symbian was considered inferior, and the hardware too. To the point all OEMs (Samsung Cisco and others) didn't buy into Symbian anymore (plus they got their free cake with android). In other words, you're a tool and should learn history.

28. sgodsell

Posts: 7369; Member since: Mar 16, 2013

You are such a liar. You have the nerve to tell others about history when your FACTS are all screwed up. Nokia announced back in February 2011 that they were going to drop Meego and long time stable Symbian, and be exclusive to Microsoft's WP. The very first production Meego device didn't even arrive until later in that same year 2011. Microsoft came to Nokia with their Money in hand and promised Nokia billions to be exclusive to WP. Microsoft even gave Nokia 250 million per quarter. Here is another history fact about Elop. He worked for Microsoft, and left Microsoft and within 1 month of leaving Microsoft, then Elop is running Nokia. When Microsoft buys Nokia then Elop is given Millions and heads up Microsoft's phone division and is back working for Microsoft. Who is the tool here, and likes to be a liar? That's right it is you elitewolverine.

29. snowgator

Posts: 3621; Member since: Jan 19, 2011

While elitewolverine could have been more polite, the facts are what the facts are. Nokia was losing profit by the truckload, which is why they were in the market for a new CEO. Symbian was considered a dead end, but there were developers and people within Nokia fighting to keep it going. Meego was in development to the tune of millions, but was not ready to go into production. There was a third OS (Meamo? Sorry, I do not recall it's actual code name) that was destined to be a "premium" OS also fighting for dollars. Nokia was at war with itself. The feature phone market and the Asha devices were no longer growing as Samsung, LG and other OEMs were stealing sales with cheaper feature phones, so they were losing cash on their largest money maker. Everything you typed about Mr. Elop and his relationship with MS was true. The money they received from MS as well as program level access to Windows Phone codes to allow them exclusive development to WP is all true. But do you think Mr. Elop was hired, sold this idea, wrote this deal with his former employer, and dictated it's terms all without the approval of Nokia board members and shareholders all within one year? Come on now. Nokia as a company had no direction, no corroboration among departments, was losing profits, and was being passed by even in the dumb phone market. The Windows Phone experiment did not work. Agreed. But it was Nokia's own ineptness which pushed it down this path, not Elop alone.

31. sgodsell

Posts: 7369; Member since: Mar 16, 2013

The way your writing your story is that Microsoft had no part in it what so ever. Clearly you are misguided. To elaborate on Mr. Elop's timeline, he left Microsoft in October of 2010, and at the beginning of September 2010 he is announced to the world as the new CEO of Nokia. Then 6 months later, Nokia drops their new OS Meego (before a device is even out on the market using it), and its stable OS Symbian in February 2011, and goes WP exclusive. They even outsourced Symbian. Oh, BTW at this same time Nokia was still the largest phone manufacturer in the world. They were still making about 500 million devices each year, and was still profitable. This is 100% a fact. "But do you think Mr. Elop was hired, sold this idea, wrote this deal with his former employer, and dictated it's terms all without the approval of Nokia board members and shareholders all within one year? Come on now. " Well we know it wasn't even a year, more like less then 6 months. Also Mr. Elop was a puppet and the puppet master was Microsoft themselves. Clearly it had to be because why would Microsoft pay Nokia the sum of 250 million dollars per quarter to be exclusive to only use WP, and drop their new Meego, and their long time stable Symbian OS. So please don't make it look like Microsoft is innocent in all this, because Mr. Elop is just a patsy or a fall guy. The real culprit to Nokia's downfall is Microsoft themselves. As far as mobln which went to Meego. It had major backing from not only Nokia, but Intel as well. Ever heard of a company called Intel? Once Nokia dropped it then Intel backed away from it as well. But Samsung and the Linux consortium stepped in and Meego morphed and became what we call today Tizen.

34. elitewolverine

Posts: 5192; Member since: Oct 28, 2013

Fact, Nokia didn't have to hire Elop. Fact, when Elop was hired and they did an analysis both internal and external of its position of Software/hardware they came up with the gloom report of its state. Fact months after Elop was there, when he was in the board meeting with the team, Not a single Meego device was ready to be shown and WORKING. LTE wasn't on the drawing board for at least 2yrs or more. 2011 for the phone you talk about when the OS started in 05, isn't exactly a success I would think of bring the Symbian replacement to fruit. Fact, MS gave them money, of course, that is part of a deal. You act like google hasn't don't its shenanigans, just look at the dumb GPS debate for the first droid...and not allowing a OEM to use their own way of doing GPS in fear of being kicked out of the OHA. Fact the device they did have ready with Meego in it, was already considered outdated, and the UI had undergone numerous rewrites. Fact, the code they purchased in Qt development was a mess, and they had to rewrite tons of tools that delayed it even further Fact, both Symbian and Meego were fighting internally with each other to the point Nokia axed calling from a non-Symbian device in order to not hurt Symbians feelings. Seriously cant make this s**t up. Fact, Feature phones have so little return, that they could not support their factories and work force with lack luster sales. Fact, They approached Google BEFORE they went with MS Fact, Nokia tried to license and get others to be on board with Symbian and or Meego, after looking at the code and state of affairs both Samsung, Cisco and nearly dozen other makers, said - yea no. Fact, OPK took over (new CEO in 06) and Nokia was making over 50 handsets that year. Fact, when OPK took over they were at 20+% profits for the year, in 2010 when he left? 4%. (yea All Elop right?). OPK failed to seize the market reigns from 06-10 not Elop. Fact, employees hated that Nokia took so long to bring devices because of outsourcing parts leading to unnecessary delays, again before Elop. Seriously, I was mean but it gets old, this is not me lying this is freaking history, I am not trying to rewrite it, this is FACT.

14. snowgator

Posts: 3621; Member since: Jan 19, 2011

There is also one HUGE difference between Apple and Android's rise and what MS is dealing with: Apple and Android hit the market when it was a wide open play space, very few smartphones in use. Feature and flip phones were the rage, and those two OS's changed the game. Windows Mobile was a user-unfriendly OS. MS failed to see what difference it made until the consumer friendly iPhone exploded and Android became the go-to OS for carriers without the iPhone. BlackBerry and WinMo got left in the dirt, and smartphones pushed feature phones out of the picture. Now, this is a mature market. Windows Phone and Windows 10 are trying to convince users to come away from their devices. MS can do this, but they need to offer comparable tools and apps and a hook, something different, some advantage the other 2 OS's do not.

19. Penny

Posts: 1851; Member since: Feb 04, 2011

You're exactly right, except I don't think there's enough room left in markets where smartphones have reached the 40-50% saturation barrier. There are, however, still developing countries in which smartphone adoption is growing at the rate it was a couple of years ago here in the U.S. That's where they have marketshare opportunity in terms of percentages, though I don't know how lucrative that opportunity is.

22. jroc74

Posts: 6023; Member since: Dec 30, 2010

I agree with all this. The sad part is to me the hook is Office for mobile. But its offered to the competition. On the software side it makes sense....but for WIn Mo marketshare growth...it doesnt.

23. Penny

Posts: 1851; Member since: Feb 04, 2011

To be honest I don't find much utility in Office for mobile as long as it's on a mobile-sized screen. Sure, it's useful for viewing, but rather cumbersome for creating. However, considering where they are going with W10, having office on competing platforms is one of the smartest things they can do. For one, it helps them regain some recognition and positive good will. But it will also serve to HIGHLIGHT THE VAST DISPARITY in what can be accomplished on a competing platform and what can be done on W10. Android and iOS users will be editing their documents on a phone, and not really getting much done. W10 users can plug their phones into a hub and use Office on a large monitor like a desktop app! Now that's a version of Office worth having.

35. elitewolverine

Posts: 5192; Member since: Oct 28, 2013

Office on mobile is great for quick edits. Before MS released it to other platforms my phone was king in meetings, when formatting was bricked by non-office apps like kingsoft, and google docs etc. The game changer in those apps, is the superior code of universal app game. The word on my phone is the same code, not chunk'd up, of the desktop code. When continuum comes on, the laptop will go out the window. Also the integration of word formatting into email is a huge leap for me.

40. illbeonthebeach

Posts: 31; Member since: Jul 06, 2015

And google's free office tools keep getting better

21. jroc74

Posts: 6023; Member since: Dec 30, 2010

Um....this didnt work out from the get go. They already failed at this loooong ago. See: Win Mo. The orig Win Mo. Already out, in the market. Was 1 or 2 in market share. Along comes Apple with the iPhone, Ballmer literally laughs at it. Now here we are today wondering when MS is going to leave the mobile phone market.

3. surethom

Posts: 1694; Member since: Mar 04, 2009

Yes once windows 10 is out as the apps will work on all your devices, PC, Laptop, Tablet & phone. The problem with current windows phone is virtually no apps, that android & ios have had for years.

27. elitewolverine

Posts: 5192; Member since: Oct 28, 2013

400k apps or so and counting. Not to mention I haven't seen a youtube ad in ages and can play background. While I miss out on a good number of apps, the one I use and care about are there. Last count I had before I rest my phone for the beta build was 190+ apps.

32. sgodsell

Posts: 7369; Member since: Mar 16, 2013

The problem with the current WP app ecosystem is they are tied to a specific hardware architecture (Qualcomm ARM). It means they are optimized and will run fast on Qualcomm ARM mobile hardware. However those apps are locked to WP and ARM ONLY. So if Microsoft or any other OEM tried to make a Windows 10 Mobile device using an Intel Atom processor (x86). Then the current WP app ecosystem is useless, until the Universal app ecosystem is built up. This is where Android has the advantage still, because it has a vast device agnostic ecosystem.

36. elitewolverine

Posts: 5192; Member since: Oct 28, 2013

If they built the app, any app, using windows 8.1 universal code, it works with win10 and its universal ecosystem. There will be changes for sure, but an entire rewrite is not necessary.

5. mistercarter

Posts: 360; Member since: Sep 01, 2011

as long as Windows 10 for phones has apps, it'll do fine. and now that both desktop and mobile can share apps, that should be such an easy goal to achieve

41. illbeonthebeach

Posts: 31; Member since: Jul 06, 2015

fine is probably not enough to be considered a success though

7. Djz89

Posts: 443; Member since: Aug 25, 2014

I hope but so, but i dont think so.

8. DeusExCellula

Posts: 1390; Member since: Oct 05, 2014

It could if they actually had apps in their appstore.

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