Note 10 coming with a new 7nm Exynos on the same tech as Snapdragon 865

Note 10 coming with a new 7nm Exynos on the same tech as Snapdragon 865
Samsung's processor foundries missed one production cycle of the flagship Snapdragon 8-series processor but their new and superior extreme ultraviolet (EUV) lithography has won the hearts of Qualcomm's management for Snapdragon 865, it seems.

Korean media is reporting that Samsung is in advanced negotiations with Qualcomm to produce the next-gen Snapdragon 865 system chip with the 7nm EUV method, and production is likely to start towards the end of the year. While Samsung skipped the first 7nm generation that TSMC built Apple's A12 and the Snapdragon 855 chipset with, it has reportedly been betting on the new production process and the bet has paid off with Nvidia and now Qualcomm as first customers.

Samsung's second-gen 7nm processors are shaping up as winners


Samsung's chief of the semiconductor LSI division called the EUV technology "challenging" during a quarterly results press conference, yet mentioned that the company expects to become a leader there. The new lithography equipment helps laying down the minuscule transistors close to each other with less drama and expenses than before.

Chips made with the second-gen 7nm EUV lithography can be produced easier now, with better yields, and with a reduced number of masks needed for production that will make them cheaper to make on average. At the same time, compared with the 10nm chips in the Note 9, the 7nm LPP EUV silicon can be made with a 40% smaller footprint, and either be 20% faster, or with the whopping 50% reduction in power draw.

Since today's mobile processors are powerful enough, we'd wager to guess that the designers of the future Snapdragons, Exynos or AX Bionic chipsets will opt for a diminished toll on battery life, and the space saved by the EUV method will be utilized for something else in the increasingly crowded smartphone internals.

Snapdragon 865 - to 5G or not to 5G


Unfortunately, the insiders tip that the 7nm EUV Snapdragon 865 will still be produced in two versions - one with a 5G modem, and one without - which most likely means that Qualcomm's X55 modem still won't be integrated. Snapdragon 855 that is in current flagship phones needs two extra components tacked on to form a phone with 5G connectivity, and, even if Snapdragon 865 needs only one - the X55 modem - if it is separate from the processor, we still can't call it a true 5G-capable chipset. 

This processor situation is behind the trend of releasing extra 5G versions of popular phones, like the S10 5G or OnePlus 7 Pro 5G, and next year might continue this trend up until the fall when Apple is expected to come out with its first 5G iPhone. 

That goes for the Galaxy Note 10 as well, since it is reportedly going to sport a smaller and a larger models, and both of these are reportedly coming with 5G versions as well, for a total of four Notes for some reason. The last speculation on Samsung's reasons to do this was that the smallish Note 10 is meant for markets like Europe where focus groups have shown that smaller phones are preferable.


Note 10 coming with a new processor


Speaking of the Galaxy Note 10, the other interesting tidbit in the report is reiterating that Samsung has already started production of a new Exynos chipset that will go into the upcoming Note(s), and the reason we say new is that it is apparently made with the 7nm EUV method, making it the second such chip we've heard about, after Qualcomm's current X50 5G modem. 

The Exynos 9820 that is in the Galaxy S10 trio is made with an 8nm production process, but the Note 10 may be the first phone to launch with an EUV processor and we can't wait to put it to the testing. The Snapdragon 855 edition will probably still be with the first-gen 7nm process, so a fun comparison between the two awaits us come Note 10 release time in August.

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10 Comments

1. KakashiHatake4444

Posts: 74; Member since: Jul 30, 2018

Release the beast!

2. ShadowSnypa786

Posts: 479; Member since: Jan 06, 2017

Well done Sammy!!!! They fell behind at the start of this year due to them using EUV but now hopefully it willl pay off for Samsung. This battery efficiency plus Graphene batteries will be amazing and then hopefully we can have 4k displays as standard. Till then QHD all the way.

6. japkoslav

Posts: 1422; Member since: Feb 19, 2017

:D Yeah right, like we haven't heard this "statement" for 3 years now. Samsung will suck 3 more years when it comes to SOC, after that AMD GPUs will be used and they !can! bring what is missing with ARM.

3. Guseinguliev

Posts: 88; Member since: Mar 04, 2019

It’s unlikely that Samsung will sell its dead processors.

4. hcrvelin

Posts: 3; Member since: Aug 20, 2018

A bit confusing... they are in advanced stage of negotiation (as stated by article) for something that should be announced (and pretty much released soon after) in August. I somehow see this as small time frame for all to workout unless it will be announcement about tech they are after and what to expect later this year (Q4, but not before).

7. Dr.Phil

Posts: 2290; Member since: Feb 14, 2011

The negotiation is between Samsung and Qualcomm for the Snapdragon 865 processor, which is a processor that will NOT be released this year but instead next year (this year will be all 855 phones). The article mentions that there is a new Exynos chipset to be used on the Note 10 using the 7nm EUV process. So two different chipsets are mentioned: one to be released this year and the other to be in production for next year.

9. Back_from_beyond

Posts: 1190; Member since: Sep 04, 2015

The Exynos 9825 for the Note 10 will be 7nm EUV, due for release in a few months. The Snapdragon 865 will also be produced with 7nm EUV, due for release Q1 2020.

5. LiveFaith

Posts: 362; Member since: Jul 04, 2015

I hope that comment @ the small version of the Note being designed for Europe markets does not stop it from coming to the States. That's what I'm interested in.

8. OneLove123

Posts: 839; Member since: Aug 28, 2018

I'm getting that Note 10 with exynos

10. Trex95

Posts: 2356; Member since: Mar 03, 2013

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