Leakster says the Snapdragon 830 will be built on a 10 nm process


It may be a bit early to talk about a Snapdragon 830 yet — the major refreshes of Qualcomm's top-of-the-line SoC are usually released early in the year. The Snapdragon 820 shipped with smartphones that were launched in March of this year, and we don't expect the 830 to hit the market until the same month of 2017. However, this hasn't stopped a leakster from boldly claiming that the Snapdragon 830 has, indeed, been confirmed by Qualcomm's CEO, and that it will be built on a 10 nm process.

The report comes from a post on Chinese social media Weibo. There isn't much else mentioned, besides that the expected launch date would be early next year – something that could also be pinned by an educated guess. However, the promise of a 10 nm process is a bit exciting.

The current heavy-hitting Systems on Chip out there (like the Qualcomm Snapdragon 820 and Samsung Exynos 8890) are built on a 14 nm process. What does this mean? It simply means that the distance between the components inside the chip – such as transistors, resistors, and capacitors, is 14 nanometers — 14 billionths of a meter. Physically speaking, reducing that distance to 10 nm could either open up room for more components, or allow for an overall smaller chip to be built.

However, there is another benefit of components being stacked closely together. For example, if the microprocessor is shrinked, there will be lower capacitance between the different transistors, increasing their switching frequency (processing speed), and decreasing their power consumption – a win-win!

So, how plausible is this report? Well, we've already been teased that Qualcomm's primary competitor — MediaTek — is currently working on producing a deca-core chipset, named Helio X30, built on a 10 nm process. We find it unbelievable that Qualcomm would allow itself to lag behind with technology, especially since it already has a red dot on its résumé from the whole overheating / throttling ordeal with last year's Snapdragon 810. So, we'd say it's pretty plausible. But, we wouldn't dare hope that the upcoming (rumored) Snapdragon 821 will be built on anything below the contemporary 14 nm fabrication process.


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29 Comments

1. Jevon5

Posts: 60; Member since: Feb 15, 2016

The last good chipset from Qualcomm was the 805. Everything after that has been garbage. Samsung Exynos>>>>>>Qualcomm Snapdragon but sadly neither of them are doing better than Apples Chipset and this is coming from an Android user.

5. chenski

Posts: 762; Member since: Mar 22, 2015

Really? So lg g3 cat.6 is better than lg g4?

7. sarcastic_nerd unregistered

Better chip doesn't mean better phone. But yeah, the SD 805 was better than 810.

12. NoToFanboys

Posts: 3231; Member since: Oct 03, 2015

As someone who owned both SD 805 and 810 phones in the past, I can't really say that the 805 is better, but then again, I can't also say that the 810 is that much better.

13. sgodsell

Posts: 7220; Member since: Mar 16, 2013

The SD 805 was 32 bit. The SD 808 and 810 are 64bit, plus can handle a lot more ram. The 805 could only handle DDR3 ram and a maximum of only 2gb. The 810 can handle up to 4gb of ram and use ddr4 ram. So to say the 805 was a better chip shows how ignorant you really are. There might have been some throttling issues with the first round of SD 810 SoCs, but for the most part if you lowered the maximum clock rate down, then you would not see any issues. Also the SD 820 is rated at a maximum of 500 gigaflops. The iPhones A9 is rated at 179 gigaflops.

14. sgodsell

Posts: 7220; Member since: Mar 16, 2013

Sorry I should have said the iPhone's A9 SoC is rated at 172 gigaflops. The Exynos 8890 is rated at 265 gigaflops http://kyokojap.myweb.hinet.net/gpu_gflops/

15. zunaidahmed

Posts: 1183; Member since: Dec 24, 2011

Lol, using GFLOPs to compared is probably the stupidest thing, a 2007 sony ps3 IBM cell processor has about 100Gflops while the peak performance would be 180Gflops, those numbers are way higher than an i7 even 2 years after its release, but that doesn't mean i7 are slower then Cell. In fact, i7 were more powerful. If uby HGH NB VM

20. sgodsell

Posts: 7220; Member since: Mar 16, 2013

Sony's PS3 GPU is rated at a maximum of 228 gigaflops. The XBox 360 was rated at a maximum of 240 gigaflops. The Intel i7 HD graphics 530 is rated at a maximum of 440 gigaflops. But most systems include some other GPUs from Nvidia or ATI which are much faster than any GPU that Intel has to offer. Which leads me to believe that you don't know your head from your @$$.

17. zunaidahmed

Posts: 1183; Member since: Dec 24, 2011

Lol, using GFLOPs to compared is probably the stupidest thing, a 2007 sony ps3 IBM cell processor has about 100Gflops while the peak performance would be 180Gflops, those numbers are way higher than an i7 even 2 years after its release, but that doesn't mean i7 are slower then Cell. In fact, i7 were more powerful. GFLOPs is just a measure of raw compute ability, nothing to do with actually performance. It's like old American muscle car, they have big engines, they make more sound, arguably more bhp, but the speed and control is still miles from exotic European cars.

26. Epicness1o1

Posts: 303; Member since: May 30, 2013

Wait then,is 808 better then 805?

29. g2a5b0e unregistered

You have the nerve to call people ignorant, but you say the 805 could only handle 2GB of RAM when the two main phones that made use of that SoC, the Note 4 & the Droid Turbo both had 3GB of RAM. While the 805 may not have been a better chip than the 808 or 810, it definitely had some advantages over both.

2. Settings

Posts: 2943; Member since: Jul 02, 2014

In layman's term, can someone explain this nm thing?

4. Nathan_ingx

Posts: 4769; Member since: Mar 07, 2012

You have the Internet on your palm...use it.

22. Settings

Posts: 2943; Member since: Jul 02, 2014

Not every question needs to be googled. Simple answers can come from users who really understand the topic and can express it simply. You've been such a good help today jerk. Btw, in real life no one answers 'google it'.

25. Nathan_ingx

Posts: 4769; Member since: Mar 07, 2012

Please correct your 'settings' to default values and search again. In real life I do...people do. That's where people get information about what they don't know.

8. sarcastic_nerd unregistered

It's the precision of the lithography used on the chip. Usually, lower nm means better and more efficient chip. Though that isn't always true.

11. legiloca

Posts: 1676; Member since: Nov 11, 2014

To be more precise, the chip doesn't necessarily make one phone efficient by itself, other factors like display and software optimisations play a role for example :)

27. Plasticsh1t

Posts: 3101; Member since: Sep 01, 2014

Nm=nanometer

28. Plasticsh1t

Posts: 3101; Member since: Sep 01, 2014

Nm=nanometer

3. aman5mathur

Posts: 241; Member since: Mar 28, 2014

Come on dude, I can agree on the part of power consumption that exynos is better in terms of battery backup but that too can be made better by maximizing optimization on the sd model But i cant agree on the terms of performance Sd820 and every other midranger be it 650 or 652 is either on par or way better than exynos Considering the gpu........i dont think i even need to compare adreno with mali out there And please dont compare the chipset companies with the ones who have to focus only on a handful of models that dont even run on the same os because the only thing that differs is the level of optimization

9. sarcastic_nerd unregistered

I have a oneplus 3, and if I had an option to switch Adreno 530 to the T880, I would do it in an instant. Yes, the 530 is slightly faster; but it drains battery really fast. Considering both are good enough to max out android games, it's not even a contest.

16. sgodsell

Posts: 7220; Member since: Mar 16, 2013

The SD 820 is more than slightly faster for GPU. It is rated at almost 500 gigaflops, whereas the Exynos 8890 is rated at 265 gigaflops.

18. zunaidahmed

Posts: 1183; Member since: Dec 24, 2011

Dude, are you talking about the GPU or SoC as a whole, if you are talking about the GPU, you should use the GPU names, and Gflops is just a measure of compute ability, not the actual performance

21. sgodsell

Posts: 7220; Member since: Mar 16, 2013

I am talking about mobile GPUs which aman5mathur was talking about. Everyone knows that the Exynos 8890 8 cores are faster when it comes to threading and multiple processes (multitasking), compared to the SD 820 4 cores.

23. sarcastic_nerd unregistered

You know what: using GFLOPS across architecture is stupid. Benchmarks show less than 10% difference. And in some, the Mali leads.

24. Amroze

Posts: 597; Member since: Jul 04, 2016

Mali Is better than S820 Gpu, even better are PowerVr.

6. Barney_stinson

Posts: 672; Member since: May 30, 2016

Why not use IBM's 7nm process!

19. ibend

Posts: 6747; Member since: Sep 30, 2014

because IBM have no experience on making processors for mobile.. and I doubt they have enough production capacity to handle SD830 demands..

10. zeeBomb

Posts: 2318; Member since: Aug 14, 2014

It would make sense to go 10nm, Apple goes down a node every 2 years. A11 I believe will also be 10nm.

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