Galaxy S7 may come with ClearForce pressure-sensitive display tech
posted by Daniel P. / Oct 12, 2015, 3:29 AM
phone with pressure-sensitive display - an upcoming edition of the Mate S phablet - and arguably it uses the Synaptics 3700 series to achieve that, calling the technology with the street name Force Touch. The reason that the Mate S version with pressure-sensitive screen is not yet on the market? "Synaptics has been working closely with leading global OEMs and LCMs to deliver this new dimension in touch with force-enabled smartphones expected to ship in early 2016," says the company in its press release.Huawei was first to announce a
Well, Samsung is allegedly also on the light-tap-and-hard-press bandwagon, and the source says it will be incorporated into the Galaxy S7, which wouldn't be hard to believe, given its release timeframe for Q1, and the fact that the iPhones already have their 3D Touch tech built in, so the competition in the pressure-sensitive display field is only going to grow up from here.
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I hope ClearForce doesn't fail like Synaptics's ForcePad from 2012http://www.anandtech.com/show/
Lots of potential if it takes off this time
Synaptics's should asked Huawei/Google to put it in the Nexus 6P and 5X, since those are really popular among developers
posted on Oct 12, 2015, 3:31 AM 4
Does everyone notice that the screen on the video is fake?, you can see it shaking out of alignment... dont they at least have a working prototype to show off in their ads, instead of this video overlay trick?
posted on Oct 12, 2015, 5:03 AM 3
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@vincelongman @AlikMalix They aren't trying to fool anyone you morons. But Synaptic obviously invented the whole 3D Force screen, trackpad and controller market back as early as 2010. In 2011 HP began work on their products still selling today. Synaptics ClearPad controllers and digitizer technology...... are and have been used in capacitive screen and notebook trackpads since then. So it #1 hasn't failed and in fact they are up to version ClearPad 5 or 6 release now! In 2012 they also started work with Samsung utilizing 3D Force ClearPad Technology on Air View. Which is the original 3D Force Touchscreen technology by Synaptic. The difference is only in where the air insulator is located. Either between the screen and glass or above it. And BTW..... S7 will be bringing both technologies with it in a revised edition of Air View 3D Force!!! .....meaning using both Air View and 3D ClearForce Technologies! xD http://www.synaptics.com/en/pr
posted on Oct 14, 2015, 7:29 AM 0
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posted on Oct 12, 2015, 5:20 AM 15
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So, if you're the first to copy something it's okay. If you're the second or beyond to copy then its just awful. Got it. Or, for a more full translation, if Apple copies it's ok. If anyone else copies, it's criminal.
posted on Oct 12, 2015, 1:27 PM 10
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no, i didn't say it's awful, it's a shame from big company especially samsung nowadays. and who said it's a crime? only you i guess. you guys fandroids keep bragging about apple copied from something, when apple copied or stole (whatever you say) something it became revolutionized. see Touch ID fingerprint sensor, FT (3D Touch), 64bit, unibody design, no Media card, apple pay, then samsung pay, and then google wallet changed name to android pay. many of android OEMs became followers of Apple.
posted on Oct 12, 2015, 2:05 PM 2
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So the first guy to make a rectangular TV was ok. The 2nd, 3rd, 4th and 5th (and so on) to copy are copycats... Suppose it could be worse - Apple could be claiming they invented the technology like touch screens lol
posted on Oct 12, 2015, 5:32 PM 2
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You foolish led Tim Crook wantabee Applewellian Prole Brainwashed Proles still think the Con Jobs from the Cult of the Rotting Worm Eaten Logo have invented EVERYTHING.... Eons Before the DAWN of TIME..... IMMORTAL! lol..... I bet you still see apparitions of Saint Steve Jobs appearing floating in front of you, claiming he invented YOU and is your iGod! Fingerprint Sensors? Samsung partnered with Authentic back in 2004 launch of Touch ID Capacitive Fingerprint Sensors for their Secure Access Door Locks, Front Door Entry, Medical Locker Restrictive Locking in Hospitals, etc. They even patented the first Touch ID sensor under the Home Button in Touchscreen phones in 2011, two years before Apple. After Apple finding that patent and realizing they planned to use it in Galaxy S3. (btw... Touch ID's own manual was discovered in S3's firmware.... you stupid iSheep! ......and the only reason it didn't launch is your precious Apple, stole it... and bum rushed Authentic out from under them. They simply bought them off the market and shut down any existing deals with HP, Motorola (first w/ fingerprint sensor in a phone), and many other original Authentic customers! Samsung's "Air View" uses Synaptic's 3D Force Patented in 2010 "ClearPad" technology and here's the link to prove that: http://www.synaptics.com/en/pr
Samsung Pay? lol... Dude you are clearly a severely deluded Cult of the Bitten Apple Logo follower. Which is like saying you are even more deluded than a...... well actually you probably are a iJihadist in iSheep's Clothing!!! xD
posted on Oct 14, 2015, 7:56 AM 0
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@cheetah many fandroids i know says when apple released iPhone 4.7" and 5.5" screen size on 6s and 6s Plus in 2014, they laughed about it and talks it copied samsung smartphones. so Apple going bigger screen means copied android OEMs? as a reminder, in 2013 apple still released 4" phone the iPhone 5s, while at that time many bigger screen size (like my LG nexus 5 4.91" same year production). and it still selling well up until now i think. @KRON so you care about fingerprints on all of things you mentioned? i don't, because i don't use it on my daily routine. it's what implemented on smartphones, became popular and works like a charm. stole it? or you meant bought it? then why samsung didn't buy the company? Motorola ATRIX in 2011, no one copied until 2013 iphone 5s came out. then, in 2014 samsung tried with fingerprint sensor on Note 4 and S5 remember "swiper finger to unlock" not really satisfied the users. until they released the right one on 2015 with S6 series and Note 5 (works JUST Like Touch ID). i never told that apple innovate things, it's just when apple do something with the copied features, mostly it became revolutionary in mobile industry, then others follow.
posted on Oct 14, 2015, 12:37 PM 0
Parena how said on force touch "street name" what a idiots.. that is official.. dumbasses.. That your pathetic "3D touch on iphone.. omg what is soo 3D on it ?!?! Looks like apple lost ideas how to name things.. Didn't they forget add "i" ? i3D touch :DDD
posted on Oct 12, 2015, 6:52 AM 8
You sound silly, but somewhat right. 3d touch sounds stupid even to me. But Apple doesn't use "i" anymore, if you notice their last several products were Apple Watch Apple Care, Apple Music, Apple Pay, and etc. nothing "i" about them. I dont know why they dont use ForceTouch, but my only conclusion is that it's been trademarked by someone else after apple introduced it on the Apple Watch. Just like someone trademarked "One Last Thing" lingo, they probably took that too. So apple was probably "forced" (pun intended) to call it something else.. but yes 3d touch isnt it!
posted on Oct 12, 2015, 7:05 AM 1
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Failed? HP and many others are still using the tech that Synaptic had originally unveiled in a co-operative project called FUSE Project 2009 with TI and Imagination among others. Fuse Phone was really out over the edge and we as yet to see the tech fully utilized even today. It used many different sensors a TI processor to not only measure capacitive air gap (3D Force and Touch pressure sensitivity) between glass front or case cover edges, but display them as blow up emoticons/widgets on the phone's desktop. Let's see Apple do that with their limited live desktop features? Fail? Give me a break..... lol.... just because Apple copied and got all the glory.... doesn't mean they invented the whole concept in the first place. Without Synaptic leading the way from FUSE squeezable tech to Samsung's Air View (which is still hot tech for cold weather and gloves) Synaptic always brings real innovation to LIFE!!! YouTube.com/watch?v=53EnsFpyroM
posted on Nov 09, 2015, 9:24 AM 0
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Think Apple+their fans should be more flattered than pissed others are adopting the technology. If others push a better implementation, that'll force Apple to improve their tech which will be win-win for everybody.
posted on Oct 12, 2015, 3:36 AM 12
Please explain how ForceTouch on iOS devices needs improvement?
posted on Oct 12, 2015, 3:38 AM 4
1st. These are completely 2 different things!!! The note series does not have a SCREEN with 2048 levels of pressure, it has a PEN with so and so much levels pressure... Try different pressures with your finger and nothing happens! 2nd. How the hell do you expect for a human being to distinguish between 2048 levels of pressure to select an input that they desire? The reason why Apple's FT screen works so good is because it's humanly possible to take advantage of the feature even subconsciously. 3rd. You suggested "much higher number [of levels of pressure]: how and why would that improve interactive UI that's already on iPhones? You can already hold your finger on screen, forcepress to get to sub-level, then without lifting forcepress to get to second sub-level, then again, without lifting, forecpress to get to 3rd and so on... I've discovered so many things on iOS9 that Apple never mentioned in their previews, and I already shared some of these uses here on PA... They should do an article on all there is - it will be quite long... especially with new 3rd party apps implementing nearly everyday...
posted on Oct 12, 2015, 5:33 AM 17
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1st. That is in the screen itself, that's why switching the Note's pen to another Wacom pen would provide the same level of pressure sensitivity with added features (tail eraser, scroll wheel, multiple pen tips, etc.), and why you can't just buy a Wacom Cintiq's pen and expect the same level of accuracy... 2nd. That's not what the improvement would be for... 3rd. The Improvement would be literally replacing every need for pen/paper, especially when on the go or in the field where you won't always have your tablet at hand, but would always have your smartphone at hand. It'll make better and practical use of that extra screen real-estate on the iPhone instead of just having a bigger-for-the-sake-of-bigger SmartPhone...
posted on Oct 12, 2015, 5:45 AM 16
Thank you for a sensible reply... 1st. The screen by itself does not register 2084 levels of pressure - it REQUIRES the s-pen or wacom (same exact thing) to take advantage of - using any other pointing device - will NOT DO ANYTHING. With apple the ACTUAL screen measure the input of your OWN finger that doesn't have conductive electronic gizmos to help it out. (Wacom also makes pens for iOS devices, just FYI).. 2nd. If that's not what the improvement is for, then WHAT? you cannot refute a point and then not apply a contradictory response - it makes your point meaningless. Dont forget iPad Pro has a pencil that does what you described in your 3rd point! 3rd. What? You described using a pen on a screen which is possible and been possible with iOS since iPhone 1 in 2007 (before android). But I didnt understand the point of your last sentence and what you're referring to...
posted on Oct 12, 2015, 5:55 AM 2
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3rd. Using a fat-head capacitive stylus is nowhere near as natural as using a fine-tip pressure-sensitive digitizer. Regarding my last sentence, almost everything the iPhone 6+ does was doable on my iPhone 4s, it doesn't offer much advantage like the Note with the extra screen real-estate. The extra screen real-estate on phablets 5" and greater make them almost equivalent in size to a pocket logbook, being able to use them as such is practical.
posted on Oct 12, 2015, 6:15 AM 6
1. Yes, I have praised Note 4's S-pen as the best thing in Android. I agree that s-pen puts any of my pens to shame (I have 5 now from sharp to brushes for the ipad) - I like S-pen and its features absolutely. Really happy for Apple Pencil, but my iPad3 is running good and I'm not about to fork out that much for a new iPad (disappointed that it's limited to just Pro).. The screen to body ration - NEEDS TO EFFING GO! I already said, that apple should stop relying on their product recognition iconic look to differentiate from competition - people get it - if you want ios get an iphone, if you want something else get something else... But if you're arguing for 5"+ tablets and a pen to use - it's not like it's impossible with iOS device. I have a pen on my keys that I can use to draw anytime on my iPhone or iPad (I like how S-pen comes embedded, but I like iOS more than android or touch wiz). I will be very happy if Apple Copies Samsung with embedded stylus within the cavity of the phone itself. It would literally be the best of both worlds. But not having one - is not a deal breaker for me.
posted on Oct 12, 2015, 7:01 AM 2
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Please it's not today the world started to 'copy' apple innovations, it has always been like that since the announcement of iPhone.
posted on Oct 12, 2015, 3:56 AM 4
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