Dismal flagship sales report reveals there isn't much money in Android
posted by Daniel P. / Sep 03, 2015, 1:49 PM
This abundance of choices, and the great values to scoop, however, shows that the mobile industry has matured, and the outsized profits are gone, with the exception of Apple, of course, which is in a league of its own. Just how bad is the revenue and sales carnage in the Android universe? Well, an analyst has gone through all the latest quarterly reports of the major phone makers, and found out that none sold more phones than the same quarter last year, and none made more money, with some like Sony struggling to make ends meet, and HTC even teetering on the brink of collapse.
Of course, the biggest maker is the biggest loser in these sad for manufacturers, but bright for us conditions - Samsung is making about $33 per phone now, which is twice what the average Android maker is doing, but still far from Apple's roughly $185 profit per piece. No wonder Samsung lost more than $40 billion of market cap since the spring. Not cool, mobile, not cool.
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Nobody makes money on Android ™
posted on Sep 03, 2015, 1:52 PM 32
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No one gets ripped off on Android
posted on Sep 03, 2015, 2:02 PM 76
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What are you talking about? Only samsung is really trying to go the way of apple currently. Everyone else is going the opposite direction. Even apple is adding in andriod features. I like how it is glossy over the fact that MS is down 64%. So really the non apple market doesn't make much money. But that is how it has always been with pc's too. That doesn't stop people from trying to make a go at it. So please take your stupid fanboy comments elsewhere.
posted on Sep 03, 2015, 2:22 PM 12
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First of all the market has really change in the last few years. Ever since some OEMs introduced low cost devices with really decent and respectable hardware. Everyone consumer loves to save money, even if you don't like to admit it. Just look at the latest Motorola devices for example. The new Moto G, and X come at reasonable prices with great specs. They could have charged more for them. The same is true for a number of other devices in the Android camp. Things like this can't happen in Apples camp, because Apple controls all aspects including their own hardware and software. I can't believe Apple is only making $185 off of their latest iPhone 6. A device with a mid to low resolution display (HD), 1 GB of ram, dual core 1.3 GHz processor with a 8 mp camera. A device like that in the Android camp would be under $200 off contract. Yet Apple charges $650 starting. Then they charge $100 increments for storage upgrades on top of the base price. Personally Apple makes a lot more then $185 per device.
posted on Sep 03, 2015, 2:45 PM 8
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Apple does use premium build materials, only recently has android devices started to match them in this regard. Plus Apple designs their own processors, etc. so there are R&D costs involved. Also unlike the others, they do operate their own retail stores and repair centers that customers can visit. Apple does make a ridiculous amount of money on the phones, but it isn't all going to profit, and they do have a few costs that other manufacturers don't really have.
posted on Sep 03, 2015, 3:28 PM 1
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Like how? Google has been offering all the services Apple has been copying. Google already had a browser, maps, search, email and more. Last I checked, iOS8 is a completed an uttered mess because you cant do everything with one button, you can have only do many gestures. Force Touch? Yea because one button cant handle it. The Android phones have 3 and those 3 buttons each do way more than what Apple offers. Samsung is nothing liek Apple. Because Samsung makes their own sh!t. Show me a product Apple actually made. I didnt say designed. I said made. As in, went from paper to an Apple factory to be build? Apple saves money because they contract everything which is cheaper vs doing it yourself. 1 phone and 1 tablet has far lass overhang vs making 20 phones and tablets.
posted on Sep 03, 2015, 3:03 PM 14
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Not that I like Apple(I loathe apple actually), but Safari(Apple's browser) existed before Google Chrome(which only holds about 30% of the market and IE holds the majority). Additionally, Apple doesn't only make 1 phone, they make 2 phones now. They are both low end junk, however. Samsung doesn't always make all parts of their phones either, but they assemble them themselves(That I am aware of, someone correct me if I'm wrong and with a source).
posted on Sep 04, 2015, 4:11 PM 0
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Users get their privacy ripped off on Android. Just to be clear: Using Google services is NOT free. Google's entire business is based on the money they make selling YOUR personal search and usage data to the highest bidder. Switching a couple toggles won't protect your privacy on an OS that's made by an advertising/data analytics business. It's the price you pay.
posted on Sep 03, 2015, 2:22 PM 16
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So yes, they sell your data. Did you help make it? Yes. It is YOUR data. So like I said, you are making a FALSE statement saying they don't sell your data, when they DO. I love Google but can't stand fools like you who can't just own up to something s**tty a company does.
posted on Sep 03, 2015, 6:01 PM 4
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http://bgr.com/2015/03/13/siri-recording-voice-conversations/ https://edri.org/microsofts-new-small-print-how-your-personal-data-abused/ http://thehackernews.com/2015/
Dude, they ALL collect and sell your data, Apple and Microsoft included. Anyone that thinks otherwise is fooling themselves.
posted on Sep 03, 2015, 10:01 PM 3
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MS collected data is a little different. Most is directly related to MS sync services. Like when I share my wifi passwords with my selected contacts. What does that mean? When you have 12 devices it means I connect to a father in laws internet who has the dumbest longest password as a result of owning his own business. Now when we go to his house, boom laptop, tablets, phones all just link to the wifi spot. The main difference is MS is doing so for user services. And yes they do ads too. But when you compare the two side by side, you are giving up much more to Google. If you store anything on Google they can use it however they wish, just look at their services policy: "When you upload, submit, store, send or receive content to or through our Services, you give Google (and those we work with) a worldwide license to use, host, store, reproduce, modify, create derivative works (such as those resulting from translations, adaptations or other changes we make so that your content works better with our Services), communicate, publish, publicly perform, publicly display and distribute such content. The rights you grant in this license are for the limited purpose of operating, promoting, and improving our Services, and to develop new ones. This license continues even if you stop using our Services (for example, for a business listing you have added to Google Maps). Some Services may offer you ways to access and remove content that has been provided to that Service. Also, in some of our Services, there are terms or settings that narrow the scope of our use of the content submitted in those Services. Make sure you have the necessary rights to grant us this license for any content that you submit to our Services." This literally gives google to do anything with your data, including using it in ads and promotions, they can even modify it to their needs if they so wish. This has been outlined by other sites about google drive vs onedrive and how that data is actually used. Easy talk? Onedrive will use your data to make sure onedrive is running right, Google will use it to sell their service.
posted on Sep 03, 2015, 11:17 PM 2
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If you really think Microsoft isn't just like the rest when it comes to selling your data, having backdoors for certain government agencies, etc, I've a bridge to sell you in Brooklyn. I'll even give you a discount.
posted on Sep 04, 2015, 3:17 AM 0
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