BlackBerry Hamburg visits the FCC, confirms TCL is the phone's manufacturer

BlackBerry Hamburg visits the FCC, confirms TCL is the phone's manufacturer
The FCC had the honor of hosting a visit by the BlackBerry Hamburg, the company's second Android powered phone and its first new handset since the BlackBerry Priv. The device carries the model number of STH-100-2 (RJD211LW), and the FCC documents confirm that TCL is the manufacturer of the phone. This dovetails with previous rumors that the Hamburg is a re-branded Alcatel Idol 4. TCL owns Alcatel.

In addition, the 2610mAh battery listed by the FCC as powering the Hamburg happens to match the size of the cell inside the Alcatel Idol 4. Additionally, a GFXBench benchmark test of the Hamburg nearly had the same exact specs as the Idol 4, except under the hood. The GFXBench test showed the new 'Berry driven by a Snapdragon 615 SoC, with an octa-core 1.5GHz CPU. The Alcatel Idol 4 is powered by a Snapdragon 617 chipset, with an octa-core 1.7GHz CPU inside.

The other specs include a 5.2-inch screen with a 1080 x 1920 resolution. 3GB of RAM is inside with 16GB of internal storage. There is a 13MP rear camera and an 8MP front-facing selfie snapper with wide angle capabilities. Android 6.0.1 is pre-installed inside the Hamburg. And if you need another reason to believe that there is a similarity between the BlackBerry phone and the Idol 4, there will be no physical QWERTY on this new BlackBerry handset. An earlier rumor suggests that the phone will be given the BlackBerry Neon moniker. We could see the Neon unveiled as soon as next week. Just the other day, CEO John Chen told those attending the BlackBerry Security Summit that the company will discuss its new hardware sometime next week.

Next up for BlackBerry after the Neon will be a handset code named the BlackBerry Rome. This model will include a physical QWERTY keyboard.

source: FCC via

Related phones

Idol 4
  • Display 5.2" 1080 x 1920 pixels
  • Camera 13 MP / 8 MP front
  • Processor Qualcomm Snapdragon 617, Octa-core, 1700 MHz
  • Storage 16 GB + microSDXC
  • Battery 2610 mAh(15h talk time)



1. Rafishant

Posts: 396; Member since: Oct 13, 2015

One of the greatest John Chen's achievements, Re-branding Chinese phones and sell them for premium prices. Idol 4 is now $199 with a VR on Cricket. For how much Chen would sell this? I do really prefer BlackBerry dies with its legend brand honor instead of making this crap and damaging its former great image!

2. meanestgenius

Posts: 22043; Member since: May 28, 2014

Just about every OEM has their phone made in China, including Apple. So by your logic, The iPhone is just a Chinese phone, and Apple should die with its "legend brand honor" instead of using Foxconn.

5. Rafishant

Posts: 396; Member since: Oct 13, 2015

It is totally a different story mate. Apple design the phone, control (Quality Control & Quality assurance), do all other testing, and build the entire software. On the other hand, this phone is completely a Chinese phone and made by a Chinese company, and Blackberry only stuck its logo on it. Many phones makers are using Foxconn factories to manufacture their phone, but this is a different case. Please stop defending these miserable actions while you are from inside so confident that they are doing the wrong thing. A true fan should criticize when seeing something harms the brand

7. nebula

Posts: 1009; Member since: Feb 20, 2015

Spot on. Rebranding and outsourcing manufacturing process is two different things.

18. Mxyzptlk unregistered

Lol did he really just make that comparison? Omg I just had a great laugh.

20. meanestgenius

Posts: 22043; Member since: May 28, 2014

Yes, I did. And it proved the point I was making. Are you really still out to get my attention?

43. Mxyzptlk unregistered

I don't want your attention. Get over it.

46. meanestgenius

Posts: 22043; Member since: May 28, 2014

Denial isn't just a river in Egypt as far as you are concerned.

49. Mxyzptlk unregistered

So says the "BlackBerry" fan lol.

52. meanestgenius

Posts: 22043; Member since: May 28, 2014

Better than being a trolling idiot. Lmao!

55. Mxyzptlk unregistered

58. meanestgenius

Posts: 22043; Member since: May 28, 2014

61. Mxyzptlk unregistered

Yeah, you still don't know how to do this.

64. meanestgenius

Posts: 22043; Member since: May 28, 2014

You're just mad that the link I posted was spot on about you.

8. meanestgenius

Posts: 22043; Member since: May 28, 2014

And what makes you think Apple's design is better than TCL's? Or have you forgotten: Where was the "quality control and quality assurance then? Apple was using Foxconn then, just like it is now. And don't get me started on Apple's shtty software that needs 9 updates to make the phone work properly. If you're going to criticize one for doing something that EVERYONE does, then, by logic, you must hold everyone else accountable. Pleas stop acting like it's only BlackBerry doing things like this, when everyone else is as well. It makes you look like a troll. A true fan doesn't troll the brand.

9. Rafishant

Posts: 396; Member since: Oct 13, 2015

Your post is completely irrelevant. You just shifted topic's discussion to Apple's design and mishap. If I want to buy this phone, I can get Idol 4... What is BlackBerry doing then?. Buying these phones from TCL, sticking Berry logo, and then reselling them. So pathetic indeed, and you never spoke logic.

13. meanestgenius

Posts: 22043; Member since: May 28, 2014

My post isn't irrelevant. It proves my point. You're saying that BlackBerry is making a mistake by using a rebranded Idol 4 Chinese phone instead of designing this phone themselves. I'm saying that even those that design the phone and then hand it over to a Chinese ODM to build suffer from the same build quality that you fear this new BlackBerry will suffer from. My argument is a sound one, whether you want to admit it or not. The difference is the SOFTWARE that's going to be on it. BlackBerry has added their own code to Android, much like Samsung does with Touchwiz. BlackBerry is much more of a software player than a hardware player. What's pathetic is that people like you still fail to realize this.

24. Dr.Phil

Posts: 2359; Member since: Feb 14, 2011

Except Blackberry DOES indeed create the software for it and does indeed control the design for it. It runs it's own version of Android that does not run on other Alcatel devices. It runs it's own applications that are not available on other Android devices such as Blackberry Hub and the Blackberry keyboard. John Chen even stated that they design the phone and have someone else make it come to life because it is more efficient that way. "We are really a hardware design house. I do design, I don't really make hardware, I do design hardware". EDIT: And this quote is from a recent interview in May of this year in which he talked about his partnership with TCL/Alcatel. So it would suggest that they are indeed still in charge of designing the hardware. They are just not in charge of the actual production of it.

25. meanestgenius

Posts: 22043; Member since: May 28, 2014

Excellent post. I had actually forgot about that interview. Great points brought up. +1.

6. Johnnokia

Posts: 1158; Member since: May 27, 2012

Sorry Meanestgenius, This comparison doesn't make any sense. BlackBerry handled all manufacturing processes to Foxconn in 2014, and no one said, for example "the Priv or Passport are Chinese phones". Because these were designed by BlackBerry and had the real BlackBerry touch, but this time hamburg is a re-branded Idol 4 and Blackberry didn't even design the phone. It doesn't have any BlackBerry's taste.

10. meanestgenius

Posts: 22043; Member since: May 28, 2014

The "taste" is the BlackBerry software, John. BlackBerry is a design house now. Sure, they're just putting their software in the phone this time around, but do you really think that BlackBerry would have chosen to use this phone if the build quality was crappy? You, yourself have even stated BlackBerry has legendary build quality. And has anyone held an Idol 4 here that's complaining? Have you? Do you know how well it's built, or are you just jumping in the hate bandwagon like so many others here? Even Phonearena says that the Idol 4 is a "hot piece of art": And there's more saying the same thing. I think we should all lay judgement after the product is released.

14. Busyboy

Posts: 731; Member since: Jan 07, 2015

Shill or nah?

15. meanestgenius

Posts: 22043; Member since: May 28, 2014

Hater or nah? By your logic, tedkord is a shill, Alikmallix is a shill, and a plethora of others here that choose to back their brand of choice is a shill.

16. Zeeya

Posts: 331; Member since: Mar 17, 2013

False. Apple is a US phone (designed in the US). It's just manufactured in China. Every piece of s**t is manufactured in China.

21. meanestgenius

Posts: 22043; Member since: May 28, 2014

It's still "manufactured in China", with the build quality to match.

27. zeeBomb

Posts: 2318; Member since: Aug 14, 2014

Soooo here in Canada: Blackberry Hamburg, idol 4s for sale atlcarriers?

3. Johnnokia

Posts: 1158; Member since: May 27, 2012

Seriously? I loved BlackBerry phones because of their amazing software, design, and build quality. It seems all of these have gone with the laid-off hardware employees. BRAVO CHEN! C'est tres magnifique!

37. PenTiltoKet

Posts: 552; Member since: May 18, 2016

What do you expect. John Chen already reduce their employee too much. The hardware design team, has been reduced to only a couple of men not to design hardware anymore, but to supervise alcatel. The OS10 design team, has been reduced to only less than all the fingers on your body, to only do bug fix.

4. meanestgenius

Posts: 22043; Member since: May 28, 2014

Price it right BlackBerry, and AGGRESSIVELY MARKET IT, and it should sell a decent amount. While I admittedly prefer BlackBerry handsets with physical keyboards, this handset looks pretty good to me. I just prefer smartphones that differentiate from the same old "me too" slabs that populate the smartphone market.

38. PenTiltoKet

Posts: 552; Member since: May 18, 2016

For SD 615 device, BB should sell this for US$180.

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