Adding Flash 10.1 has negative effect on stock Android browser

Adding Flash 10.1 has negative effect on stock Android browser
Sometimes you need to be careful what you wish for-because it just might come true. For years, smartphone users have been wanting Adobe Flash capabilities on their mobile browser. Now that Android 2.2 brings Flash 10.1 with it, yes, web sites on the phone resemble what you see on your computer screen. But in exchange for being able to see all of the animations and video that Flash provides, the browser's speed and performance drops off tremendously. No one would  have taken this contest seriously except that Google is saying that the increase in handset speed provided by the JIT compiling that Android features on the 2.2 OS, makes the stock browser on Froyo the fastest mobile browser. In this taped contest between the iPhone's mobile Safari, the N-One with the stock Android browser running Flash 10.1, and the HTC HD2 using Opera Mobile 9.7 , the truth is that the iPhone's mobile Safari beats out Android each time. Disable Flash, and the N-One browser is the quickest. Not only does Flash slow down the Android browser, it also makes the usually smooth kinetic scrolling extremely choppy. All these years everyone has demanded Flash, and it does work great providing animation and video, but you might end up turning Flash support off when you see how it turns a hare into a turtle.

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27 Comments

1. networkdood

Posts: 6330; Member since: Mar 31, 2010

So, Steve Jobs is correct. But, I believe someday Google will correct the issue. If not running a psuedo flash browser such as SKYFIRE should be good enough.

2. dswatson83

Posts: 56; Member since: Jan 13, 2010

compare apples with apples. Disable flash and let android browser kick apples a$$. Don't penalize google for allowing you to give a little extra. You going to rank hd cameras lower than sd cameras cause you can't hold as much video on the card??? What are you trying to conclude phonearena? I'm sure your car does better gas mileage with your AC off too but I don't see you sweating it out. Plus this is running a pre release version of adobe flash 10.1, not the final one.

4. android#1

Posts: 74; Member since: Jan 12, 2010

Haha great minds think alike. We posted at the same time.+1 to you

5. ilia1986 unregistered

Hate to say it - but.. umm.. told you? Now the main issue is not the performance of Flash - but the fact that on a typical page there are many many essentially useless flash elements, like Ads, unnecessary graph effects, etc. Now, what Adobe and Google need to do, is to only load flash on those elements which are either movies or games. That would substantially improve the problem imho.

9. ILOVEIPHONE25 unregistered

I am noticing all these guys on here that are Google fanboys are backing up all of the crap that google comes out with. I am a apple fanboy to the extreme but I am not ignorant to the fact that some of the things apple does really sucks. Flash sucks ass for mobile phones and admit it. Flash is whatever on a powerful desktop or laptop but mobile phone... Absolutely not. I am sorry but NOT GOOGLE but shity ass Adobe needs to go back to the drawing board.

22. zZ INFINITY Zz

Posts: 27; Member since: Jan 22, 2010

People, people... It's all about having the OPTION to do something. Now it was kind of a sure thing that adding Full Flash to a mobile browser would slow things down. But, it works pretty well for a beta. Thats what i like about Google, Android. You get freedom, you can choose if you want something or not. I dont't need a person, Steve, telling me what is best for me. To be honest, I will probably keep full flash turned off most of the time. Because I save battery life, because I speed up my browser, because I dont even need flash all the time. BUT, if I ever need to see some flash content, I know I can. And then, I can turn around to my friends with iphones and hit them with my Desire and scream 'pwnd'

24. lovebuzz

Posts: 76; Member since: Oct 21, 2009

Ilovephone, you can't exactly knock it until you've seen the finished product. There you go with your "fanboy" roast and yet you haven't even stopped to think that tests like these are necessary to make sure it runs well. I'm sure they are aware of the work left to do and since they haven't even given an ACTUAL RELEASE DATE yet i think the one here in the fanboy pants would be you, because once Flash does come out for mobile phones you're going to be seriously missing out, and you know it.

26. DonkeyPunched

Posts: 321; Member since: Jan 10, 2010

Okay, I understand everyone's view here and how the reason is because its a "beta". Seriously, how much of an improvement do you think they can actually do? We aren't talking about "fanboyism" between iPhone and Android, we are talking about the quality of update. I've installed it onto my N1, and all the negativity is true. I would hope for them to roll out something that won't slow down the browser, but what are the odds? And having freedom is one thing, but what if I actually want to watch Flash? I guess I get stuck with having crappy browsing then? This problem shouldn't exist, especially after how much Apple has said about their software. I dunno, I don't want to get on Adobe so much after making this (somewhat) possible, but uhhhh they really need to step it up in the final release because this is unacceptable.

3. android#1

Posts: 74; Member since: Jan 12, 2010

It was expected because inevitably running a full web browser requires more resources from the device, likewise, that fact doesn't make Apple's browser the best. Apples to apples, or comparing two devices with no flash, Android wins, however add computer capabilities on a phone, then you know. I doubt iPhone would do better if it had flash.

6. networkdood

Posts: 6330; Member since: Mar 31, 2010

LOL, I got 2 minuses - what a bunch of pathetic imbeciles - read the entire post ANDROID fanboys. What would be a good test is run FLASH on both an ANDROID phone and the iphone and see how they compare. Yeah, we all know this is just the prelims. Hopefully, it will improve with the final version or maybe we will have to wait for 2.3 - GINGERBREAD.

19. vinsterdamus

Posts: 58; Member since: Feb 20, 2010

flash updates separate from the OS. it's a separate downloadable so it can go into final without any os changes

20. Templer16

Posts: 20; Member since: Apr 09, 2009

I think thats the whole point to the response of your first post. Right now (and probably never) we will never get to compare flash on Android vs Apple cause Jobs doesnt want it. I hate to sound like the commercial but in this case DROID DOES I really dont think one can sit back and critisize google or anyone for being the "first" in something. Simple fact is that Apple has had the best mobile web experience for the last 2-3 yrs, after froyo their crown will be taken by Android in terms of better speed and a ton more capability.

25. lovebuzz

Posts: 76; Member since: Oct 21, 2009

Networkdood - people give you minuses because you are annoying.

7. rwolf1984

Posts: 536; Member since: Jun 06, 2009

damn...that sucks...i think skyfire is the way to go though...

8. GlenF

Posts: 50; Member since: Nov 02, 2009

yeah... pre release softwear on a nexus one. now THERE"S an accurate test. Lets wait till the official release then try it on an Incredible or EVO. But then Phone arena may not be able to lovingly crown their I-phones as the greatest thing ever.

10. pingpong

Posts: 145; Member since: Mar 28, 2010

Why is everyone bitching? I for one didn't know that this Beta Flash was slowing down my browser and from READING THE ENTIRE ARTICLE phone arena was bascially making a realistic comparison. I for one didn't realize my N1 browser was running a little slower with Flash but I find that this is good information.

11. Hallucinator

Posts: 390; Member since: May 24, 2010

I love how you guys try to blame phone arena for any negative things said about Android. You Flame "Apple Fanboys" (which I am) when you are the worst fanboys I have ever seen. A phone is a personal preference. I've owned the N1, HD2, Hero and Droid, none of which compare to the Iphone(For me, not everyone) I don't begrudge someone liking Android or WM. You need to grow up.

12. jtucker1987

Posts: 89; Member since: May 06, 2010

Well said!! It's all preference!! +1

13. ilia1986 unregistered

Minor correction. Its not ALL preference. Its a preference when it comes to Android, the iPhone and maybe the Blackberry. Its NOT a preference when it comes to anything else. Just wanted to point that out.

14. jtucker1987

Posts: 89; Member since: May 06, 2010

Haha true ilia!! +1

27. BlackSirius16

Posts: 84; Member since: May 21, 2010

all of you are obviously misunderstanding the meaning of an apple fanboy. An apple fanboy is someone who will like any apple branded device that flies out of steve jobs' ass. its barely even about preference. its someone who is totally enthralled by an entire brand regardless of its actual merits.

15. tuminatr

Posts: 1120; Member since: Feb 23, 2009

looks good for a beta, cant wait to see when they get all the kinks worked out

16. mcmkone

Posts: 54; Member since: Mar 24, 2009

Apple 1 - Adobe 0 lol Jobs did say it was Flash that causes mobiles and laptops to crash because of the BS that goes into their coding... Who would of guessed on an advanced phone like the Nexus you would notice the lag.... i'm just hoping my Desire comes out swing with the 2.2 firmware update, with better performance....?!?

17. ilia1986 unregistered

I doubt it. Other than having 64 more MBs of RAM, the specs are the same. Now I do wonder what happens if someone OCs the N1 to - lets say - 2000MHz. I don't think thats impossible. The Droid\Milestone was OCed from 550 to 1200.. I think that in this case - we could indeed see an improvement in performance.

18. vinsterdamus

Posts: 58; Member since: Feb 20, 2010

eh did we see the flash browser crash like mister jobs said? we only saw that it slows down your browser with flash 10.1 BETA. first of it's a beta and it looks good with the flash content that was shown. second of if you dumb down the browser to the iphone / HD2 level we see that the android browser does actually kick major a$$ here.

21. zZ INFINITY Zz

Posts: 27; Member since: Jan 22, 2010

People, people... It's all about having the OPTION to do something. Now it was kind of a sure thing that adding Full Flash to a mobile browser would slow things down. But, it works pretty well for a beta. Thats what i like about Google, Android. You get freedom, you can choose if you want something or not. I dont't need a person, Steve, telling me what is best for me. To be honest, I will probably keep full flash turned off most of the time. Because I save battery life, because I speed up my browser, because I dont even need flash all the time. BUT, if I ever need to see some flash content, I know I can. And then, I can turn around to my friends with iphones and hit them with my Desire and scream 'pwnd'

23. ilia1986 unregistered

While I agree with you generally, I still gotta point something out. Steve cannot just allow freedom on his devices, and if he were to allow flash on the iPhone - even with the option to turn it off - it would still be as slow as it is now. BUT because the iPhone is a mainstream and very popular device, it will be heavily criticized for it's poor performance with flash. Steve knows people ARE stupid. As consumers I mean. If one thing doesn't work well on an otherwise flawless device - every news, gadget, cellphone and tech site is going to scream "OMG iPHONE FLASH SUCKS". That will hurt sales. ALOT Android is still regarded as the underdog. An OS for the SMART people, which are naturally the minority. Those who know the ins and outs of the phones. Thats why you don't see huge banners saying that 2.2 Flash is a failure. In short - iPhone provides you with a fixed experience that is designed 100% by Steve. But that experience ALWAYS WORKS. Steve always goes on the safe way. You get less - but what you get - works 100% of the time. Android allows you to do almost anything n your device - but you have the risk of stuff not working correctly, or slowing down, etc etc. Anyone having a Deja-vu here? Android = Windows, iPhone = Mac. Will it turn this way? I guess we'll see for ourselves.

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