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The legal caravan moves to France, Samsung sues Apple for 3G connectivity patent infringements

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The legal caravan moves to France, Samsung sues Apple for 3G connectivity patent infringements
In the neverending story of mobile industry patent fights, the caravan of Apple and Samsung lawyers has crossed the borders with France during the summer. There Samsung has filed a lawsuit in a district court in Paris, saying that Apple infringed on three of its patents.

These are not related to any design sketches or comparison photos, as Apple's lawsuits against Samsung are, but rather to intellectual property concerning 3G connectivity, as found in the Apple's iPhone and 3G-enabled iPads. The patents are related to UMTS connectivity for using data, and the lawsuit has been field in July, but it was made public today.

This is obviously a preventive measure on Samsung's part, but it will take a while until we see if there will be any merits to it, since the first hearing is scheduled for not earlier than December.

via Electronista

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posted on 13 Sep 2011, 08:59 6

1. ayephoner (Posts: 837; Member since: 09 Jun 2009)


you mean other people sue apple too?!?!?!?!?!?!?

:-O


no way!!!!!!!!

posted on 13 Sep 2011, 09:18 3

2. jroc74 (Posts: 4936; Member since: 30 Dec 2010)


It would kinda make sense....since Apple sued Samsung. Samsung supposed to take it lying down?

posted on 13 Sep 2011, 10:13

10. iKingTrust (banned) (Posts: 716; Member since: 27 Jul 2011)


you are an idiot. Thats not how it really works

posted on 13 Sep 2011, 10:58 3

18. jroc74 (Posts: 4936; Member since: 30 Dec 2010)


Then oh great lawsuit, patent guru...please enlighten us on how it really works...

posted on 13 Sep 2011, 11:48 1

25. darth8ball (Posts: 519; Member since: 02 Aug 2011)


While I don't know about France but in America if your getting sued 100% of lawyers will recommend a counter suit, that iKing is how it works.

posted on 13 Sep 2011, 09:51

4. protozeloz (Posts: 5378; Member since: 16 Sep 2010)


I loled

posted on 13 Sep 2011, 09:44 4

3. ilia1986 (unregistered)


Go Samsung!!!! Die Crapple!!!

posted on 13 Sep 2011, 09:55 5

6. protozeloz (Posts: 5378; Member since: 16 Sep 2010)


dude I think you need to calm down a bit..... kinda troll looking.....

posted on 13 Sep 2011, 10:13 1

11. iKingTrust (banned) (Posts: 716; Member since: 27 Jul 2011)


yea I think Steve had sex with his mom.

posted on 13 Sep 2011, 11:42 2

22. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)


Kinda of? Ilia writes songs about how much he hates Apple. Why someone would put that kind of effort into hating a company is beyond me. The funniest thing is this is all because of widgets and live wallpaper.

posted on 13 Sep 2011, 11:58 2

27. darth8ball (Posts: 519; Member since: 02 Aug 2011)


I can only speak for myself, and widgets and live wallpaper has nothing to do with why i hate Apple.
It is their propreitary way of doing business that hurts the economy of everyone who isn't Apple. It is them going after a 17yr old who as a school project bought and resold white iphone conversions, it is the fact that they claim to have invented things that they only took from another company and changed them slightly.

posted on 13 Sep 2011, 19:22

47. protozeloz (Posts: 5378; Member since: 16 Sep 2010)


I was talking on the soft side

posted on 13 Sep 2011, 12:02 1

29. ivanko34 (Posts: 617; Member since: 04 Sep 2011)


Crapple ... Lol !!!

posted on 13 Sep 2011, 09:54

5. Dj21o (Posts: 437; Member since: 19 May 2011)


Wow now HTC and Samsung are suing Apple. Who is trying to knock out the competition again?

posted on 13 Sep 2011, 09:58 4

7. protozeloz (Posts: 5378; Member since: 16 Sep 2010)


and people disagree with me when I say the best option will end up being copyleft licensing...

a company sues, you sue back and turn this into a draw everyone goes back to making their thing..... but in the mid time we all suffer :/

posted on 13 Sep 2011, 10:03

8. Dj21o (Posts: 437; Member since: 19 May 2011)


I know, it is beyond stupid. Everyone is losing money from suing and being sued lol.

You also gotta love the people who still think Android is innocent, even when their 2 biggest manufacturers are suing the piss out of Apple lol.

posted on 13 Sep 2011, 10:11 1

9. protozeloz (Posts: 5378; Member since: 16 Sep 2010)


the problem with this is not who is suing but rather the order where people sue, this is not the first lawsuit filled from both, both are hitting on apple to avoid paying royalties to apple or device banning, the best way to do so it pile up many reasons to tell apple "hey two can play this game lets toss the cards in and see who sticks with a joker" this is a corporate measure that's far from being related with android more than being the OS in question on the lawsuits

posted on 13 Sep 2011, 10:20

12. Dj21o (Posts: 437; Member since: 19 May 2011)


Yeah, I can see where you're coming from. Does that slow down production of the phones as well? Like new phones from Samsung or possibly the iPhone 5?

posted on 13 Sep 2011, 10:26

13. protozeloz (Posts: 5378; Member since: 16 Sep 2010)


legal and development are two separated departments, but its possible that it could cause some slowdown trying to change any patent in question without loosing functionality

posted on 13 Sep 2011, 18:34 1

44. Stuntman (Posts: 733; Member since: 01 Aug 2011)


And in the end, the only winners are the lawyers.

posted on 13 Sep 2011, 10:38

14. darth8ball (Posts: 519; Member since: 02 Aug 2011)


Apple is HTC and Samsung are not trying to prohibit the sale of Apple products just to have their IP protected or to have a let's settle this between us talks start between the parties.

posted on 13 Sep 2011, 10:55 1

16. Whateverman (Posts: 3224; Member since: 17 May 2009)


@ Dj21o. That would be Apple. Apple set the stage, these companies are just fighting back and in this case, striking first. And with actual IPs.

posted on 13 Sep 2011, 11:25 2

19. Dj21o (Posts: 437; Member since: 19 May 2011)


I, personally, think Apple and Android should have a contest for bragging rights. Both OSes, should let eachother copy off of one another, and see who can make the better product. Who can optimize the best hardware with the best software, while still allowing customization, and iterating battery life. Let everyone copy off of another operating system, just to see who can do it the best. You always hear, "Android is better, Apple is better." But who can prove it? Apple can say they invented everything, and that will be their excuse in every.single.lawsuit. Also, why wouldn't it be? Another thing I always fathomed, was how can Android (being open source), sue someone who isn't. Where do they get the rights to say "I'm going to sue for a notification bar. I'm going to sue for 3g connectivity." Etc etc. Where did they get the power to control an open source OS?

posted on 13 Sep 2011, 11:45

23. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)


True but Nokia and Motorola sued Apple first. Fanboys are totally okvwith that. Also Apple sued HTC over patents and they get bashed over that as well. There's a huge double standard among PA fanboys.

posted on 13 Sep 2011, 11:59 1

28. Dj21o (Posts: 437; Member since: 19 May 2011)


Wtf, who sued who first?!?! LMAO. I'm telling ya, it would be a perfect opportunity for Android and Apple to battle for the top.

posted on 13 Sep 2011, 12:58

31. remixfa (Posts: 13930; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


taco, nokia sued apple for patent infringement and won very quickly. In fact now apple pays them per iphone sold, so I'd say that was a pretty cut n dry case.
Apple sues for "likeness" which isnt a patent... its very vague and predatory since their designs are so ubiquitous and minimalistic. They dont sue to protect patent IP, they sue to protect marketshare instead of continuing to innovate. That is why people come down harder on Apple than they do on other companies. Its not a fanboy thing (ok on boards like this it is sometimes), its a fair play thing.

Apple, like everyone takes bits n pieces of everyone elses ideas and incorperates it into iOS. They then claim its revolutionary and go after anyone who dare's do the same to them. They keep getting caught with their pants down over n over again on this issue.

posted on 13 Sep 2011, 15:01

41. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)


Apple has some solid patents which they're suing HTC over. You bash Apple for that as well. Apple has also came out with some very revolutionary ideas. The iPhone changed the smartphone industry and the iPad created a whole new market. I realize there were tablets before Apple, but no one cared. Everyone is playing follow the leader on the iPhone and iPad.

Samsung copying Apple isn't innovating. They should come up with their own ideas instead of trying to make their products closely resemble Apple's.

posted on 13 Sep 2011, 17:31

43. remixfa (Posts: 13930; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


your antiquated and inaccurate retorts havent changed, but at least your delivery is much more pleasant these days.

posted on 13 Sep 2011, 18:47

45. AppleDroid42 (Posts: 6; Member since: 25 Aug 2011)


How is what taco said innacurate?

posted on 13 Sep 2011, 18:48

46. AppleDroid42 (Posts: 6; Member since: 25 Aug 2011)


*inaccurate

posted on 13 Sep 2011, 10:52

15. remixfa (Posts: 13930; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


get em sammy!

posted on 13 Sep 2011, 10:56 3

17. remixfa (Posts: 13930; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


proves my point that apple sues everyone on vague design suites while everyone sues apple for its patent infringements.

What would be hillarious is if Sammy wins an injunction on apple based on this and it has to stop selling it until they reach an agreement. Id guess the agreement would be "if you drop your suites everywhere, we will drop this suite and not do it again in every other country".. then we can all get on our merry way with innovation and competition, not making lawyers rich.

posted on 13 Sep 2011, 11:46

24. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)


You're mad at Apple when they sue over patents as well.

posted on 13 Sep 2011, 13:01

32. remixfa (Posts: 13930; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


what was the last patent that wasnt some super vague BS that they tried to sue for?

posted on 13 Sep 2011, 13:04

33. remixfa (Posts: 13930; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


Honestly taco, i want sammy to win. Read my above statement as to why. If sammy wins it might force a stalemate and end these stupid lawsuits, which is better for ALL of us. Spend those millions on R&D, not lawyers across the globe. Noone is innocent in this industry so they need to just figure out how to get along... and the only way Apple seems like its going to let that happen is if they get counter-sued into a corner and are forced to stop litgation.

posted on 13 Sep 2011, 11:27 1

20. Dj21o (Posts: 437; Member since: 19 May 2011)


I, personally, think Apple and Android should have a contest for bragging rights. Both OSes, should let eachother copy off of one another, and see who can make the better product. Who can optimize the best hardware with the best software, while still allowing customization, and iterating battery life. Let everyone copy off of another operating system, just to see who can do it the best. You always hear, "Android is better, Apple is better." But who can prove it? Apple can say they invented everything, and that will be their excuse in every.single.lawsuit. Also, why wouldn't it be? Another thing I always fathomed, was how can Android (being open source), sue someone who isn't. Where do they get the rights to say "I'm going to sue for a notification bar. I'm going to sue for 3g connectivity." Etc etc. Where did they get the power to control an open source OS?

posted on 13 Sep 2011, 11:32 1

21. gallitoking (Posts: 4690; Member since: 17 May 2011)


wow.. the Fandroids are such losers... now they applaud.. bunch of hypocrites...

posted on 13 Sep 2011, 11:55

26. Dj21o (Posts: 437; Member since: 19 May 2011)


I am not trying to criticize anyone over Android. I think it would be a good "battle" of the top spot in the mobile industry. Its literally in every single article. Everyone is always trying to beat one another, why not give everyone the benefit of the doubt?

posted on 13 Sep 2011, 13:07

34. protozeloz (Posts: 5378; Member since: 16 Sep 2010)


same with apple fans.... your point is?

posted on 13 Sep 2011, 14:01 1

35. remixfa (Posts: 13930; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


werent u the one screaming that "apple won" the other day with the flash article? The only hippocrite is the idiot with the foghorn leghorn avatar... and i dare say.. yes i da-- i dare say, that its a completely appropriate avatar for you.

posted on 13 Sep 2011, 12:05 1

30. Androidmate (unregistered)


Thats a pretty dumb statement. I'm an android fan, so its natural that I support Android and what it does. What hypocrisy? I can safely say that i do support Android and Samsung for that matter. Oh well,but blindly supporting them does make me look an Isheep huh? Oh dear, though i'd rather not be grouped with the likes of you. :)

posted on 13 Sep 2011, 14:14

37. gallitoking (Posts: 4690; Member since: 17 May 2011)


@Androidmate..of course is dumb right.. I was talking about you...Fandroids... I doubt any Fandroid will agree with my statement... you guys stick together like flies on a dirty diaper... please dont hang out with my group.... if you are to dumb to even register in a discussion forum..well it just proves my theory...bye bye ,,, mate

posted on 13 Sep 2011, 14:21 1

38. remixfa (Posts: 13930; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


we all wish u didnt register. lol

posted on 13 Sep 2011, 14:08 3

36. iKingTrust (banned) (Posts: 716; Member since: 27 Jul 2011)


Apple’s iPhone 4 has been the best-selling smartphone in the world since it launched over 14 months ago in June 2010, but the iPhone 5 is even more highly anticipated than the current-generation model was ahead of its release. According to a recent survey conducted by RBC Capital Markets, Apple’s iPhone 5 is seeing “unprecedented demand” ahead of its release, which is expected next month. Headed by analyst Mike Abramsky, the investment bank commissioned a survey of 2,200 people between August 2nd and August 10th, and found that 31% of respondents were very likely or somewhat likely to purchase an iPhone 5 once it launches. Ahead of the iPhone 4 release last year, a similar RBC survey found that 25% of consumers planned to purchase the smartphone.

posted on 13 Sep 2011, 14:29

39. Dj21o (Posts: 437; Member since: 19 May 2011)


Yeah, I saw that too. I wonder if it will really happen though. People with the iPhone 4 can just upgrade the software, unless they want to upgrade their hardware as well. (I would). That's saying if the rumors are true of a 4" display and and beast processor.

posted on 13 Sep 2011, 14:46

40. remixfa (Posts: 13930; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


a lot of people had the 3gs when the iphone4 launched and might not have seen it as a big enough change to need an early upgrade. Theyve probably been holding off for quite a while waiting for the i5 to launch, getting impatient and rabid (much like many of us for the SGS2 :) ).

The current rumor is a 3.7 inch screen, not a 4inch screen. Noone knows for sure though.

posted on 13 Sep 2011, 16:36 1

42. Azure01 (Posts: 126; Member since: 16 Aug 2011)


This is a damn shame. I swear all of these companies are nothing but babies with power...

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