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Samsung seeks new trial, calling jury verdict "unreasonable and unsupported"

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Samsung seeks new trial, calling jury verdict
"The Court's constraints on trial time, witnesses and exhibits were unprecedented for a patent case of this complexity and magnitude, and prevented Samsung from presenting a full and fair case in response to Apple's many claims."-Samsung in its filing to Judge Koh seeking a new trial
In a filing with the U.S. District Court in San Jose, which was where the epic Apple-Samsung patent trial was recently heard, Samsung asked Judge Lucy Koh for a new trial. Apple, for it's part, requested that the judge tack on $707 million to the $1.05 billion awarded to it by the jury. Additionally, Apple is seeking a permanent injunction on a number of Samsung devices.

Samsung is asking for a new trial because of what it calls an "unreasonable and unsupported" verdict made by the jury based on the evidence and testimony presented during the trial. Samsung also is complaining that Judge Koh's strict time limits on testimony and the number of witnesses allowed prevented the Korean based manufacturer from having a fair trial. The judge limited each side to 25 hours of witness testimony.

The two companies are facing each other in courtrooms covering ten countries regarding claims of patent infringement by both sides. In the case in San Jose District Court, Apple accused Samsung of copying the design of the Apple iPhone and Apple iPad for its line of smartphones and tablets. In a move that could be of some concern to Samsung, Apple's filing on Friday requested an injunction on other Samsung products not previously named in the trial, with features not much different than those devices found by the jury to have infringed on Apple's patents. This could lead to an import ban in the U.S. on the sizzling hot Samsung Galaxy S III which has sold in excess of 20 million units.

If Samsung does have a shot at a new trial it could be due to the actions of the jury. In interviews made after the trial, some of the jurors indicated that they failed to consider prior art when determining if Samsung had infringed on Apple patents. Additionally, the judge refused to let Samsung present evidence that would have shown the jury certain designs made by a Sony engineer that resembled the Apple iPhone that pre-dated Apple's work on the handset.

Judge Koh will hold a hearing on these issues and others on December 6th.

source: AP

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posted on 23 Sep 2012, 05:27 83

1. darac (Posts: 2156; Member since: 17 Oct 2011)


Apple can make the best products in the universe but until they maintain this sickening, arrogant, anti-competitive attitude, they will not have my respect and money.

posted on 23 Sep 2012, 06:00 46

5. GUNDAM (Posts: 63; Member since: 20 Jul 2012)


totally agree!

posted on 23 Sep 2012, 07:19 2

9. darac (Posts: 2156; Member since: 17 Oct 2011)


..bad english, though :p
thankfully you guys are understanding and forgiving enough.
i meant to say, as long as they maintain that attitude obviously, not until.

posted on 23 Sep 2012, 07:30 6

13. anywherehome (Posts: 971; Member since: 13 Dec 2011)


This shows us how pure Evil (Apple) corrupts all the judges (Koh) to serve for money and destroy progress.....it looks like it will stuck like car industry has stuck fo 50 years because progress means costs for car companies....the only way to fight against these evil things is NOT TO VOTE FOR THE DINOSAURS....vote for COMPLETE DIFFERENT parties if you want to have at least 1% chance to change anything...only a change means real progress for us
And we can see a lot of money for real science, for real progress, from Samsung brings a lot of money for Samsung (chips, AMOLED, ....) Even when there is a reccession of the worlds economy

posted on 23 Sep 2012, 08:14 3

21. Mxyzptlk (Posts: 15697; Member since: 21 Apr 2012)


So you agree that Apple should allow Samsung to copy and steal their patented designs and tech? Samsung got popular because their devices looked too much like the iPhone. Look at Sammy's older Android phones and tell me that they look very familiar.

posted on 23 Sep 2012, 08:28 34

26. anywherehome (Posts: 971; Member since: 13 Dec 2011)


You just lie....easy proof: Galaxy Ace is much much similiar to iPhone and not so great sales like sgs2 ;)
So it is not about design it is about brainwashing of people like you and corruption of judges ;)

posted on 23 Sep 2012, 08:29 25

27. frydaexiii (Posts: 1464; Member since: 01 Dec 2011)


So you agree that Samsung should be allowed to sue anyone that makes a touchscreen phone with a screen and a button below? C'mon, that argument's old, it's been shown time and time again the first Galaxy S was based off Samsung's F700. It bared more resemblance to the F700 than the iPhone.

posted on 23 Sep 2012, 08:45 21

31. TROLL (banned) (Posts: 4851; Member since: 13 Apr 2012)


There is no justice in the States, if it was in the UK Apple would'ev lost.

posted on 23 Sep 2012, 09:10 9

33. matrix_neo (Posts: 334; Member since: 03 Nov 2011)


Tell us here that your beloved iphone never copied ideas and tech of other companies. Obviously your beloved iphone is a product of ideas and tech that other companies created. They just steal and patented it. To you it's ok for apple to copy and steal ideas, and worst is you still supporting this evil company. your argument is always lame and lot of assumptions, try to be realistic sometimes, you might end up like banned Taco.

posted on 23 Sep 2012, 09:11 13

34. oister85 (Posts: 501; Member since: 27 Apr 2012)


True I think the usa benefits alot from apple.

posted on 23 Sep 2012, 09:12 5

35. networkdood (Posts: 6330; Member since: 31 Mar 2010)


Mxy walks around in life with blinders on - if it ain't APPLE, it's copying.

posted on 23 Sep 2012, 09:27 7

40. PhoneArenaUser (Posts: 5498; Member since: 05 Aug 2011)


Samsung's success is not because how devices are looking it is all about specifications, OS and price.

posted on 23 Sep 2012, 09:27 7

41. TROLL (banned) (Posts: 4851; Member since: 13 Apr 2012)


it's there home town, Apple will pay treple the amount of cash to acquire and patent which does not belong to them!

posted on 23 Sep 2012, 09:28 2

42. TROLL (banned) (Posts: 4851; Member since: 13 Apr 2012)


And also freedom and finally cause it's LINUX.

posted on 23 Sep 2012, 09:29 5

43. badini007 (Posts: 18; Member since: 02 Jul 2012)


Just want to share this clip for Steve Jobs talking about stealing others ideas "Shamelessly",

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CW0DUg63lqU

posted on 23 Sep 2012, 09:36 4

47. TROLL (banned) (Posts: 4851; Member since: 13 Apr 2012)


All the iFans and Apple users should watch this, specially Mxzyptlk.

posted on 23 Sep 2012, 09:38 3

49. PhoneArenaUser (Posts: 5498; Member since: 05 Aug 2011)


Why you are not talking about those cases where Apple is accused of having infringed patents ???

posted on 23 Sep 2012, 09:41 24

50. Galen20K (Posts: 541; Member since: 26 Dec 2008)


You're absolutely correct, Apple ripped off and copied Samsung from the very begining starting with the F700 which was released to market before the iPhone. I think people should really read up on the subject before automatically handing an unfounded and wrong victory to Apple who is clearly the copier. http://www.idownloadblog.com/2012/08/01/poll-original-iphone-vs-samsung-f700/

posted on 23 Sep 2012, 09:51

52. Hemlocke (unregistered)


Yes, the old, fat, QWERTY, resistive-screened feature phone that nobody heard of is the genesis, not the wildly popular iPhone. Makes sense.
http://androidcommunity.com/who-was-really-first-apple-vs-samsung-story-truly-debunked-20110420/

posted on 23 Sep 2012, 10:10

57. Hemlocke (unregistered)


Do you not know the difference between stealing an idea and copying something? A "touchscreen smartphone" is an idea, but making "an iPhone copy" is just plain IP theft. If it was no big deal, why were there no capacitive Samsung smartphones prior to the iPhone? The LG Prada launched almost simultaneously, and even though Apple owns prior IP, all of the multitouch patents, and had been developing the iPhone longer in secret, LG is still a valued partner and has never been a target. Coincidence?

posted on 23 Sep 2012, 10:19

59. AppleHateBoy (unregistered)


Since Samsung is doing 267 PPI with RGB AMOLED Display, they might as well do 326 PPI with Pentile AMOLED Displays(like 4.5" SGS3).If they do this, they are gonna annoy Apple like heck.

posted on 23 Sep 2012, 10:22 1

60. TROLL (banned) (Posts: 4851; Member since: 13 Apr 2012)


it takes time. So why is Apple using Dual-core cpu?
Why the stolen notification? Why true multi-tasking on there ios6?

posted on 23 Sep 2012, 10:26 7

61. remixfa (Posts: 14466; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


popularity does not have anything to do with who was first.
Many "firsts" are not as popular as the copies that come after them.

posted on 23 Sep 2012, 10:28 5

62. remixfa (Posts: 14466; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


there is no true multitasking in iOS6. It's still fake pause & reload like it's always done. The only multitasking is by a select few core apps like music. yaaay.

posted on 23 Sep 2012, 10:31 4

64. GUNDAM (Posts: 63; Member since: 20 Jul 2012)


i agree that apple is a bunch of money grabbing whores who cant handle the competition and therefore tries to take them out in court :)

posted on 23 Sep 2012, 10:55 2

66. joseph98 (Posts: 167; Member since: 03 Feb 2012)


I didn't buy my Samsung galaxy note because it looks like apple product but simply because it offer a better product for my money and because of android OS. there are many Chinese made copycat iphone out there unleashed. They even listed its name as an iphone for less than $100 and apple never sue them simply because nobody wants Chinese iphone copycat that doesn't work. apple decided to go after Samsung because there products are really better than apple. Not because of the stupid shape that apple claim. I bought my knees an Ipad3 when it was released and I really regret it now. And BTW I never owned apple product and not planning too even if they invent the ibutt or icry.

posted on 23 Sep 2012, 10:56

67. Droid_X_Doug (Posts: 5993; Member since: 22 Dec 2010)


Cause if it were true multi-tasking of a phone OS, they would owe someone royalties for attention infringement.

posted on 23 Sep 2012, 11:01

68. Hemlocke (unregistered)


It's a dual core that uses A15 architectural elements, like VFPv4 and new memory controllers, but it is designed by Apple. The A6 is more advanced than the Exynos 4412 quad, and the CPU is just as advanced as the CPU in the Qualcomm S4 Pro, but the A6 GPU is much better than the Adreno 320.
Quad core != more advanced.

posted on 23 Sep 2012, 11:24 7

69. PapaSmurf (Posts: 10457; Member since: 14 May 2012)


Nice find.

+1.

posted on 23 Sep 2012, 11:36 4

71. garz_pa (Posts: 154; Member since: 03 Nov 2011)


Hondas and Fords and BMWs and Aston Martins all have four damn wheels. Pony and Chuck Taylor has the same designs. Nikes and Adidas have shoelaces. All refrigerators and washing machines and everything around you are similar to one another. BUT YOU DON'T HEAR THEM FILING F***ING PATENT INFRINGEMENTS.

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