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Samsung seeks new trial, calling jury verdict "unreasonable and unsupported"

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Samsung seeks new trial, calling jury verdict
"The Court's constraints on trial time, witnesses and exhibits were unprecedented for a patent case of this complexity and magnitude, and prevented Samsung from presenting a full and fair case in response to Apple's many claims."-Samsung in its filing to Judge Koh seeking a new trial
In a filing with the U.S. District Court in San Jose, which was where the epic Apple-Samsung patent trial was recently heard, Samsung asked Judge Lucy Koh for a new trial. Apple, for it's part, requested that the judge tack on $707 million to the $1.05 billion awarded to it by the jury. Additionally, Apple is seeking a permanent injunction on a number of Samsung devices.

Samsung is asking for a new trial because of what it calls an "unreasonable and unsupported" verdict made by the jury based on the evidence and testimony presented during the trial. Samsung also is complaining that Judge Koh's strict time limits on testimony and the number of witnesses allowed prevented the Korean based manufacturer from having a fair trial. The judge limited each side to 25 hours of witness testimony.

The two companies are facing each other in courtrooms covering ten countries regarding claims of patent infringement by both sides. In the case in San Jose District Court, Apple accused Samsung of copying the design of the Apple iPhone and Apple iPad for its line of smartphones and tablets. In a move that could be of some concern to Samsung, Apple's filing on Friday requested an injunction on other Samsung products not previously named in the trial, with features not much different than those devices found by the jury to have infringed on Apple's patents. This could lead to an import ban in the U.S. on the sizzling hot Samsung Galaxy S III which has sold in excess of 20 million units.

If Samsung does have a shot at a new trial it could be due to the actions of the jury. In interviews made after the trial, some of the jurors indicated that they failed to consider prior art when determining if Samsung had infringed on Apple patents. Additionally, the judge refused to let Samsung present evidence that would have shown the jury certain designs made by a Sony engineer that resembled the Apple iPhone that pre-dated Apple's work on the handset.

Judge Koh will hold a hearing on these issues and others on December 6th.

source: AP

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posted on 23 Sep 2012, 05:27 83

1. darac (Posts: 2156; Member since: 17 Oct 2011)


Apple can make the best products in the universe but until they maintain this sickening, arrogant, anti-competitive attitude, they will not have my respect and money.

posted on 23 Sep 2012, 06:00 46

5. GUNDAM (Posts: 63; Member since: 20 Jul 2012)


totally agree!

posted on 23 Sep 2012, 08:14 3

21. Mxyzptlk (Posts: 4135; Member since: 21 Apr 2012)


So you agree that Apple should allow Samsung to copy and steal their patented designs and tech? Samsung got popular because their devices looked too much like the iPhone. Look at Sammy's older Android phones and tell me that they look very familiar.

posted on 23 Sep 2012, 08:28 34

26. anywherehome (Posts: 971; Member since: 13 Dec 2011)


You just lie....easy proof: Galaxy Ace is much much similiar to iPhone and not so great sales like sgs2 ;)
So it is not about design it is about brainwashing of people like you and corruption of judges ;)

posted on 24 Sep 2012, 02:20

130. rf1975 (Posts: 249; Member since: 01 Aug 2011)


It is not a proof dude. It is a evident that Samsung became success after copying apple. When you copy something you have to match its appearance as well as the grade. Galaxy Ace is low end device. by seeing the pixelated icon and text people never thing to hold that in the hand. That is why SGS 2 became success.

posted on 24 Sep 2012, 06:00 3

132. remixfa (Posts: 14117; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


yea, because the SGS3 looks loo much like an iphone..

You forget, Samsung was ALREADY one of the worlds largest phone makers when the SGS1 came out. They weren't exactly struggling.

posted on 23 Sep 2012, 08:29 25

27. frydaexiii (Posts: 1239; Member since: 01 Dec 2011)


So you agree that Samsung should be allowed to sue anyone that makes a touchscreen phone with a screen and a button below? C'mon, that argument's old, it's been shown time and time again the first Galaxy S was based off Samsung's F700. It bared more resemblance to the F700 than the iPhone.

posted on 23 Sep 2012, 09:41 24

50. Galen20K (Posts: 517; Member since: 26 Dec 2008)


You're absolutely correct, Apple ripped off and copied Samsung from the very begining starting with the F700 which was released to market before the iPhone. I think people should really read up on the subject before automatically handing an unfounded and wrong victory to Apple who is clearly the copier. http://www.idownloadblog.com/2012/08/01/poll-original-iphone-vs-samsung-f700/

posted on 23 Sep 2012, 11:24 7

69. PapaSmurf (Posts: 8908; Member since: 14 May 2012)


Nice find.

+1.

posted on 23 Sep 2012, 09:51

52. Hemlocke (unregistered)


Yes, the old, fat, QWERTY, resistive-screened feature phone that nobody heard of is the genesis, not the wildly popular iPhone. Makes sense.
http://androidcommunity.com/who-was-really-first-apple-vs-samsung-story-truly-debunked-20110420/

posted on 23 Sep 2012, 10:26 7

61. remixfa (Posts: 14117; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


popularity does not have anything to do with who was first.
Many "firsts" are not as popular as the copies that come after them.

posted on 23 Sep 2012, 08:45 21

31. TROLL (banned) (Posts: 4851; Member since: 13 Apr 2012)


There is no justice in the States, if it was in the UK Apple would'ev lost.

posted on 23 Sep 2012, 09:11 13

34. oister85 (Posts: 409; Member since: 27 Apr 2012)


True I think the usa benefits alot from apple.

posted on 23 Sep 2012, 09:27 7

41. TROLL (banned) (Posts: 4851; Member since: 13 Apr 2012)


it's there home town, Apple will pay treple the amount of cash to acquire and patent which does not belong to them!

posted on 23 Sep 2012, 17:09 1

110. -box- (Posts: 3873; Member since: 04 Jan 2012)


Not by much, just store representative jobs, HQ jobs, and some call centers. They don't pay taxes, they don't manufacture anything here, and they do little for the U.S. economy due to the fact the money taken from device sales goes to offshore accounts.

posted on 23 Sep 2012, 12:57

87. GODLOVESAPPLE (Posts: 8; Member since: 23 Sep 2012)


Correction, there is more Justice in the US of A, I can't say never been bought or will never be bought Judges, but I wouldn't go as far as saying, "there is no justice in the States," you must be from the 3rd world, to say such ignoramus, & irresponsible comment.

"There is more Justice in the USA, why millions migrated to the USA year after year?"

1. to escape persecution from your 3rd world corrupted Judges, Politicians, etc.
2. life is better in the USA, more choices

I could go on and on...

posted on 23 Sep 2012, 18:03

113. archangel9 (Posts: 231; Member since: 07 Feb 2010)


Unfortunately here Troll a bunch of corrupt judges and isheep judges and jurors at that.I believe this is how the Trayvon Martin trial gonna be

posted on 23 Sep 2012, 09:10 9

33. matrix_neo (Posts: 321; Member since: 03 Nov 2011)


Tell us here that your beloved iphone never copied ideas and tech of other companies. Obviously your beloved iphone is a product of ideas and tech that other companies created. They just steal and patented it. To you it's ok for apple to copy and steal ideas, and worst is you still supporting this evil company. your argument is always lame and lot of assumptions, try to be realistic sometimes, you might end up like banned Taco.

posted on 23 Sep 2012, 09:12 5

35. networkdood (Posts: 6322; Member since: 31 Mar 2010)


Mxy walks around in life with blinders on - if it ain't APPLE, it's copying.

posted on 24 Sep 2012, 11:05

134. Mxyzptlk (Posts: 4135; Member since: 21 Apr 2012)


I just believe in fair justice.

posted on 23 Sep 2012, 09:27 7

40. PhoneArenaUser (Posts: 5497; Member since: 05 Aug 2011)


Samsung's success is not because how devices are looking it is all about specifications, OS and price.

posted on 23 Sep 2012, 09:28 2

42. TROLL (banned) (Posts: 4851; Member since: 13 Apr 2012)


And also freedom and finally cause it's LINUX.

posted on 23 Sep 2012, 18:04

114. archangel9 (Posts: 231; Member since: 07 Feb 2010)


Right on!!!That's all I use

posted on 23 Sep 2012, 09:38 3

49. PhoneArenaUser (Posts: 5497; Member since: 05 Aug 2011)


Why you are not talking about those cases where Apple is accused of having infringed patents ???

posted on 23 Sep 2012, 13:50 2

95. androidrockzz (Posts: 51; Member since: 04 Feb 2012)


true,
2 days back apple was caught copying ideas from others, mainly the clock design and so on.
Apple needs money to spend for the cases upcoming against them from other companies..
IF THEY ARE IN NEED OF MONEY JUST ASK DIRECTLY TO SAMSUNG "PLEASE LEND US SOME MONEY" :-)

posted on 23 Sep 2012, 10:31 4

64. GUNDAM (Posts: 63; Member since: 20 Jul 2012)


i agree that apple is a bunch of money grabbing whores who cant handle the competition and therefore tries to take them out in court :)

posted on 23 Sep 2012, 13:32 1

88. prakesh (Posts: 92; Member since: 13 Sep 2012)


they are racist in sports entairment industries music etc. in politics in tech and many more

posted on 23 Sep 2012, 10:55 2

66. joseph98 (Posts: 167; Member since: 03 Feb 2012)


I didn't buy my Samsung galaxy note because it looks like apple product but simply because it offer a better product for my money and because of android OS. there are many Chinese made copycat iphone out there unleashed. They even listed its name as an iphone for less than $100 and apple never sue them simply because nobody wants Chinese iphone copycat that doesn't work. apple decided to go after Samsung because there products are really better than apple. Not because of the stupid shape that apple claim. I bought my knees an Ipad3 when it was released and I really regret it now. And BTW I never owned apple product and not planning too even if they invent the ibutt or icry.

posted on 23 Sep 2012, 11:36 4

71. garz_pa (Posts: 154; Member since: 03 Nov 2011)


Hondas and Fords and BMWs and Aston Martins all have four damn wheels. Pony and Chuck Taylor has the same designs. Nikes and Adidas have shoelaces. All refrigerators and washing machines and everything around you are similar to one another. BUT YOU DON'T HEAR THEM FILING F***ING PATENT INFRINGEMENTS.

posted on 23 Sep 2012, 17:47

112. MobileCaseReview (Posts: 242; Member since: 10 Feb 2012)


http://www.usatoday.com/money/economy/2008-10-16-204589872_x.htm

posted on 23 Sep 2012, 13:34 3

89. Danalvi1981 (Posts: 47; Member since: 02 Jun 2010)


All flip phones and Bar phones back in the days looked the same. Maybe the companies should have sued each other. All of the phones had the same green neon screen and black type writer looking letters. Cellphones will always be similar looking. Apple phones just all look the same and very little has changed. Let Android live!!!!

posted on 23 Sep 2012, 14:09 4

98. rusticguy (Posts: 2828; Member since: 11 Aug 2012)


If Apple can steal and copy and go scott free then others should also be allowed to steal and copy. Apple was in dodrums until it started lifting/stealing/copying. Even that sometimes they failed to dish out nice product ... Look at "TIM TOM" version of "TOM TOM" what Apple calls Apple Maps ...

posted on 23 Sep 2012, 14:40 2

103. synot (Posts: 277; Member since: 14 Sep 2012)


Idiot ,Samsung phones wasnt sold on design but functionality and appeal in their software and bigger screens and Samsung didnt steal anything from Apple because first apple dont have any tech or design of their own ,in fact the tech in Apple is made by Samsung including the A6 chip that powers the Iphone 5.research before u write and dont be an apple stooge

posted on 23 Sep 2012, 15:44 3

107. willard12 (Posts: 879; Member since: 04 Jul 2012)


Samsung F700.....look it up, then shut-up

posted on 23 Sep 2012, 17:03 1

109. tha.fox (Posts: 100; Member since: 30 Nov 2011)


thats like saying if apple had made a flip phone it would have infringed on lg samsung and motorola for having a phone that flips

posted on 23 Sep 2012, 17:14 3

111. darac (Posts: 2156; Member since: 17 Oct 2011)


I happen to be an ex owner of Samsung f 700, and it just puzzles me beyond belief how Samsung legal team could've miss to add that phone to their case on time.

It has almost EXACT design as the first galaxy phone, save for the hardware keyboard - beyond any doubt establishing the reference point for the galaxy line.
It was also relatively popular(in Europe) and decent phone.
Here's a nice review:

http://m.gsmarena.com/samsung_f700-review-227.php

posted on 23 Sep 2012, 19:08

115. remixfa (Posts: 14117; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


Which I believe was exactly the same as the Samsung Glyde on VZW.

posted on 23 Sep 2012, 23:28

127. Pdubb (Posts: 239; Member since: 08 Aug 2011)


That's what Apple has done! Copy -steal- lie- cheat should be their motto not "Think differently"! I'm a big technology fan and I think that Apple is hypocritical with these patents. They are picking on Android because it is open source. That means they can take from Android "maybe" improve the feature all without a second thought on if they will be sued.

posted on 23 Sep 2012, 09:29 5

43. badini007 (Posts: 18; Member since: 02 Jul 2012)


Just want to share this clip for Steve Jobs talking about stealing others ideas "Shamelessly",

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CW0DUg63lqU

posted on 23 Sep 2012, 09:36 4

47. TROLL (banned) (Posts: 4851; Member since: 13 Apr 2012)


All the iFans and Apple users should watch this, specially Mxzyptlk.

posted on 23 Sep 2012, 10:10

57. Hemlocke (unregistered)


Do you not know the difference between stealing an idea and copying something? A "touchscreen smartphone" is an idea, but making "an iPhone copy" is just plain IP theft. If it was no big deal, why were there no capacitive Samsung smartphones prior to the iPhone? The LG Prada launched almost simultaneously, and even though Apple owns prior IP, all of the multitouch patents, and had been developing the iPhone longer in secret, LG is still a valued partner and has never been a target. Coincidence?

posted on 23 Sep 2012, 10:22 1

60. TROLL (banned) (Posts: 4851; Member since: 13 Apr 2012)


it takes time. So why is Apple using Dual-core cpu?
Why the stolen notification? Why true multi-tasking on there ios6?

posted on 23 Sep 2012, 10:28 5

62. remixfa (Posts: 14117; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


there is no true multitasking in iOS6. It's still fake pause & reload like it's always done. The only multitasking is by a select few core apps like music. yaaay.

posted on 23 Sep 2012, 10:56

67. Droid_X_Doug (Posts: 5948; Member since: 22 Dec 2010)


Cause if it were true multi-tasking of a phone OS, they would owe someone royalties for attention infringement.

posted on 23 Sep 2012, 11:01

68. Hemlocke (unregistered)


It's a dual core that uses A15 architectural elements, like VFPv4 and new memory controllers, but it is designed by Apple. The A6 is more advanced than the Exynos 4412 quad, and the CPU is just as advanced as the CPU in the Qualcomm S4 Pro, but the A6 GPU is much better than the Adreno 320.
Quad core != more advanced.

posted on 23 Sep 2012, 12:02

81. Hemlocke (unregistered)


It's a dual core that uses A15 architectural elements, like VFPv4 and new memory controllers, but it is designed by Apple. The A6 is more advanced than the Exynos 4412 quad, and the CPU is just as advanced as the CPU in the Qualcomm S4 Pro, but the A6 GPU is much better than the Adreno 320.
Quad core != more advanced.

posted on 23 Sep 2012, 13:42 1

91. tedkord (Posts: 5228; Member since: 17 Jun 2009)


Because capacitive screens were a relatively new phenomenon at the time. Someone had to be first (and it was LG, not Apple, BTW).

The Prada, the F700 and the Sony designs that Apple were so interested in, clearly show that the rectangle with rounded corners dominated by a centered touchscreen and minimal buttons was the natural evolution of the smartphone, not the invention of Apple. How else do you explain so many coming to the same basic design at the same time?

posted on 26 Sep 2012, 16:56

140. Hemlocke (unregistered)


The Prada was almost simultaneous, but we know from the Apple patents that it had been in development longer. No matter there.

The F700? Resistive, fat, QWERTY, dumbphone that came AFTER the iPhone? What is there to say to that?

Where were Sony's phones? Only LG launched one in 2007, with Flash OS, and they threatened lawsuit, but never filed. Why do you think that is? I imagine it was because they found out they were behind the curve.

posted on 23 Sep 2012, 23:31

128. Pdubb (Posts: 239; Member since: 08 Aug 2011)


Explain "an iPhone copy" because according to Apple it IS almost any phone with a touchscreen.

posted on 23 Sep 2012, 07:19 2

9. darac (Posts: 2156; Member since: 17 Oct 2011)


..bad english, though :p
thankfully you guys are understanding and forgiving enough.
i meant to say, as long as they maintain that attitude obviously, not until.

posted on 23 Sep 2012, 13:44 2

92. tedkord (Posts: 5228; Member since: 17 Jun 2009)


Don't worry about it. What with the damned auto correct, half my posts look like I don't speak English as a first our second language.

posted on 23 Sep 2012, 07:30 6

13. anywherehome (Posts: 971; Member since: 13 Dec 2011)


This shows us how pure Evil (Apple) corrupts all the judges (Koh) to serve for money and destroy progress.....it looks like it will stuck like car industry has stuck fo 50 years because progress means costs for car companies....the only way to fight against these evil things is NOT TO VOTE FOR THE DINOSAURS....vote for COMPLETE DIFFERENT parties if you want to have at least 1% chance to change anything...only a change means real progress for us
And we can see a lot of money for real science, for real progress, from Samsung brings a lot of money for Samsung (chips, AMOLED, ....) Even when there is a reccession of the worlds economy

posted on 23 Sep 2012, 10:19

59. AppleHateBoy (unregistered)


Since Samsung is doing 267 PPI with RGB AMOLED Display, they might as well do 326 PPI with Pentile AMOLED Displays(like 4.5" SGS3).If they do this, they are gonna annoy Apple like heck.

posted on 23 Sep 2012, 05:27 31

2. whysoserious (Posts: 317; Member since: 20 Jul 2012)


Samsung has a point.

posted on 23 Sep 2012, 06:28 9

7. prakesh (Posts: 92; Member since: 13 Sep 2012)


amen!!!

posted on 23 Sep 2012, 08:11 1

19. Mxyzptlk (Posts: 4135; Member since: 21 Apr 2012)


No they don't.

posted on 23 Sep 2012, 08:48 7

32. TROLL (banned) (Posts: 4851; Member since: 13 Apr 2012)


Apple copies, copied LG and SONY, and no one say's nothing it's okay for them. Biased.

posted on 23 Sep 2012, 09:57 1

54. TROLL (banned) (Posts: 4851; Member since: 13 Apr 2012)


iv'e course they do!

posted on 23 Sep 2012, 12:01 1

80. whysoserious (Posts: 317; Member since: 20 Jul 2012)


No you don't so please do yourself a favor and just gtfo.^_^

posted on 23 Sep 2012, 23:35

129. Pdubb (Posts: 239; Member since: 08 Aug 2011)


That's like saying "Nuh Uhh"! Add to the discussion and give a reason they don't have a point.

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