Rumor says Google might help Samsung in optimizing TouchWiz
1. AgentZero (Posts: 234; Member since: 16 Aug 2014)
this is good news it will help with speed , updates and features like multi window and mini apps will be more stable and more supported ! hope this is true
29. techandbeers (banned) (Posts: 110; Member since: 02 Nov 2015)
Can we finally all agree stock performs better than touchwiz?
This is why I'd take the 6P over a note anyday. It simply outperforms Samsung's heavy UI. Not saying touchwiz hasn't improved, because it has. But whenever I pick up a note 5 or gs6....or basically anything with touchwiz, I feel the lag instantly.
So hardcore Samsung fans, you must realize touchwiz isn't as optimized as it should be. I'm glad it's finally getting Google's attention.
31. mcflu (Posts: 9; Member since: 12 Jun 2015)
It has come a long way, and yes its still very much laggy, but thats balanced out with the amount of features touchwiz offers. Now, as far as does every use all of those features, I doubt it haha
40. Plume-Veil (banned) (Posts: 174; Member since: 19 Nov 2015)
I think people are missing some of the point of this and it's become a TW bashing thread. It's about generalisation. To me, if the ROM or app has a good performance and useful features that I want, then I'll use it. It must be reliable (no FC) and not hog resources unnecessarily, or pose security risks. I use a modded stock ROM, rooted, repartitioned, deodexed, zipaligned, debloated, minimal Google apps, but I have plenty of customisations with Xposed, different launcher, radio and screen management etc. The phone runs on a very customised and optimised ROM, to keep it functional and responsive. If apps hog memory I look for alternatives and they must have minimal permissions for the job they perform. Some apps I will choose as power user apps with more demands upon the phone because I want that function, for instance, I removed stock soundFX app and music app and installed Viper4Android and Neutron music player. A very complex setup in terms of settings and ability. This uses resources but sounds awesome!
I removed stock email and gmail apps and use Aquamail instead. It has all my email accounts, including work exchange mail and exchange calendar. I can customise the settings to better control synching so it's a much more complex app to set up, but once done, saves battery and just works. If I used the Gmail app, it would try to sync at least every hour all accounts and suck my battery and data down in no time, plus it couldn't handle exchange accounts so I'd have to run another app for that.
I've found Google apps in general try to keep the phone online as much as possible, partly for functionality but also just that Google want to use your data. I look for alternatives to Google apps because of it, but still use some because I like the functionality.
You just need to be able to assess what is good or bad use of your phone's resources for what you want it to be able to do. No one setup will suit everyone.
41. Plume-Veil (banned) (Posts: 174; Member since: 19 Nov 2015)
Every time another app start running, more of the phone's RAM is used, if too many apps are t=running, the phone will slow down... Get a RAM optimizer like Memory Booster. Works for me, I have it on all of my Androids...
54. Fellwalker (Posts: 367; Member since: 04 Apr 2014)
One of the key features of Android is that it shuts down apps to ensure it has RAM available.
43. AgentZero (Posts: 234; Member since: 16 Aug 2014)
well everybody knows stock is faster , touchwiz is getting better and to be honest the stutters are so rare (been using the note 5 for a month now) but for me ill take the multitasking features over stock any day any time , the dual window and minimizing apps is just something i always use but if google really decides to help then touchwiz will be miles better , optimization will help the user experience in general and that is what everybody wants , in the end STOCK vs TOUCHWIZ is a matter of what the user needs , u need more features = touchwiz , you want something basic that just works flawlessly =stock
51. kabhijeet.16 (Posts: 807; Member since: 05 Dec 2012)
Totally agree.. I'm currently running Oneplus one (stock android)...
Went to buy Samsung Galaxy Note 5.. In the showroom, I used it for a while. The camera was excellent but instantly felt the lag of TW & came across terrible RAM management.
Instantly dropped the idea. Inspite of some useful TW feature missing, Oneplus one is lot better.
66. alex3run (Posts: 713; Member since: 18 May 2014)
No. Touchwiz just looks WAY better and is more user-friendly.
The bad thing is that Google will turn Touchwiz into a s**t like the second stock UI...
34. rd_nest (Posts: 1593; Member since: 06 Jun 2010)
Better someone ask Google to optimize their own software. Nexus batterylife suck compared to every other phone.
36. techandbeers (banned) (Posts: 110; Member since: 02 Nov 2015)
Stop spreading BS.
My Nexus 6P gets from 5-7.5 hours screen on time. Can't stand when people clearly have no idea what they are talking about.
50. rd_nest (Posts: 1593; Member since: 06 Jun 2010)
I have Nexus 4 and nexus 5, with me right now. And they both suck. Most phones get better batterylife than nexus even with lesser battery.
Note 5 is better than nexus 6P will ever be in terms of batterylife.
And that has been proven by multiple reviewers. Note 5 and iPhone 6s gets much better batterylife with even a lesser battery capacity.
55. housry23 (Posts: 129; Member since: 03 Jun 2012)
I would agree with the Note 5, but not the 6S. The 6S+ probably does, but the 6S is probably more like Nexus 5X battery life. The 6P lasts me all day and then some. What more do you want? They admitted battery life was bad and then they did something to improve it with 6.0.
57. vincelongman (Posts: 4517; Member since: 10 Feb 2013)
We have to remember that the Nexus 4 and 5 were almost half the price of the other flagships yet had similar specs
Which meant cost cutting in hardware (smaller battery, inefficient screens, worse cameras, worse SoC bins, ...)
Nexus 6 was because Samsung should an older inefficient AMOLED
The Nexus 6P has similar battery life with the Note 5 and iPhone 6S+ in low to medium usage
But worse battery than the Note 5 and iPhone 6S+ in heavy usage, because of the inefficient 810
67. keithtae (Posts: 441; Member since: 25 Mar 2015)
Stock android lags as hell. My nexus 7 is my first and I swear last nexus device- it's running slow now. I'm currently using the s6 edge+ and it really is better. Touchwiz looks better, also with more features that I appreciate. Stock android with the stupid double pull-down to get to toggle settings- most stupid idea ever. In touchwiz, I get everything I want with just 1 pull down from top, notification and toggle settings are all there, unlike stock.
52. engineer-1701d (unregistered)
The Galaxy S7 and Samsung need to go stock Android and then have the ability to download specific items from Samsung App Store to be installed on the phone itself that would make updates universal from Google without having Carrier involved
2. Shocky (unregistered)
Why haven't Google done this already?? Samsung is only the single largest Android OEM by a huge margin.
15. jellmoo (Posts: 1626; Member since: 31 Oct 2011)
Entirely possible that Samsung never wanted this level of partnership with Google before. Their... chuminesss... is relatively recent.
48. fiji.siv (Posts: 61; Member since: 25 Nov 2015)
Although Android is open source, TouchWiz is most certainly not. It's Samsung intellectual property. In order to show it to Google, they need to get the lawyers involved and then Google needs to get their lawyers involved and then management needs to sign the appropriate contracts and engineering usage needs to be scoped and before you know it, it's late-2015.
3. Martineverest (Posts: 403; Member since: 27 Oct 2015)
That won't stop Apple from dominating smartphone profit
18. Finalflash (Posts: 3129; Member since: 23 Jul 2013)
No he's right, they get less for more while everyone else gets more for less.
44. VZWuser76 (Posts: 4359; Member since: 04 Mar 2010)
And how does that help the consumer again?
4. Feanor (Posts: 725; Member since: 20 Jun 2012)
Uh? Wouldn't there be a competition law to prohibit this? It's like Google releasing a free operating system and then favourizes only one partner?
6. vincelongman (Posts: 4517; Member since: 10 Feb 2013)
Android is still going to be free for all other OEMs
Google and Samsung probably just made a deal where they will help each other out
Google helps Samsung optimize TouchWiz
Samsung helps Google implement some TouchWiz features into AOSP
Other OEMs could probably make similar deals if they wanted
9. techspace (Posts: 1036; Member since: 03 Sep 2012)
Maybe Samsung will allow google to use some of it's technologies.
Samsung won't directly help google in implementing touchwiz features in stock android because if Samsung knew how to knew how to implement them, why would they need google to optimize touchwiz?
28. techspace (Posts: 1036; Member since: 03 Sep 2012)
They go hand jn hand...making changes/modifying the way of implementation is optimization.
Samsung can share technology and let Google implement it themselves.