Rumor says Google might help Samsung in optimizing TouchWiz
1. AgentZero (Posts: 18; Member since: 16 Aug 2014)
this is good news it will help with speed , updates and features like multi window and mini apps will be more stable and more supported ! hope this is true
29. techandbeers (banned) (Posts: 110; Member since: 02 Nov 2015)
Can we finally all agree stock performs better than touchwiz?
This is why I'd take the 6P over a note anyday. It simply outperforms Samsung's heavy UI. Not saying touchwiz hasn't improved, because it has. But whenever I pick up a note 5 or gs6....or basically anything with touchwiz, I feel the lag instantly.
So hardcore Samsung fans, you must realize touchwiz isn't as optimized as it should be. I'm glad it's finally getting Google's attention.
31. mcflu (Posts: 9; Member since: 12 Jun 2015)
It has come a long way, and yes its still very much laggy, but thats balanced out with the amount of features touchwiz offers. Now, as far as does every use all of those features, I doubt it haha
40. Plume-Veil (banned) (Posts: 174; Member since: 19 Nov 2015)
I think people are missing some of the point of this and it's become a TW bashing thread. It's about generalisation. To me, if the ROM or app has a good performance and useful features that I want, then I'll use it. It must be reliable (no FC) and not hog resources unnecessarily, or pose security risks. I use a modded stock ROM, rooted, repartitioned, deodexed, zipaligned, debloated, minimal Google apps, but I have plenty of customisations with Xposed, different launcher, radio and screen management etc. The phone runs on a very customised and optimised ROM, to keep it functional and responsive. If apps hog memory I look for alternatives and they must have minimal permissions for the job they perform. Some apps I will choose as power user apps with more demands upon the phone because I want that function, for instance, I removed stock soundFX app and music app and installed Viper4Android and Neutron music player. A very complex setup in terms of settings and ability. This uses resources but sounds awesome!
I removed stock email and gmail apps and use Aquamail instead. It has all my email accounts, including work exchange mail and exchange calendar. I can customise the settings to better control synching so it's a much more complex app to set up, but once done, saves battery and just works. If I used the Gmail app, it would try to sync at least every hour all accounts and suck my battery and data down in no time, plus it couldn't handle exchange accounts so I'd have to run another app for that.
I've found Google apps in general try to keep the phone online as much as possible, partly for functionality but also just that Google want to use your data. I look for alternatives to Google apps because of it, but still use some because I like the functionality.
You just need to be able to assess what is good or bad use of your phone's resources for what you want it to be able to do. No one setup will suit everyone.
41. Plume-Veil (banned) (Posts: 174; Member since: 19 Nov 2015)
Every time another app start running, more of the phone's RAM is used, if too many apps are t=running, the phone will slow down... Get a RAM optimizer like Memory Booster. Works for me, I have it on all of my Androids...
54. Fellwalker (Posts: 283; Member since: 04 Apr 2014)
One of the key features of Android is that it shuts down apps to ensure it has RAM available.
43. AgentZero (Posts: 18; Member since: 16 Aug 2014)
well everybody knows stock is faster , touchwiz is getting better and to be honest the stutters are so rare (been using the note 5 for a month now) but for me ill take the multitasking features over stock any day any time , the dual window and minimizing apps is just something i always use but if google really decides to help then touchwiz will be miles better , optimization will help the user experience in general and that is what everybody wants , in the end STOCK vs TOUCHWIZ is a matter of what the user needs , u need more features = touchwiz , you want something basic that just works flawlessly =stock
51. kabhijeet.16 (Posts: 797; Member since: 05 Dec 2012)
Totally agree.. I'm currently running Oneplus one (stock android)...
Went to buy Samsung Galaxy Note 5.. In the showroom, I used it for a while. The camera was excellent but instantly felt the lag of TW & came across terrible RAM management.
Instantly dropped the idea. Inspite of some useful TW feature missing, Oneplus one is lot better.
66. alex3run (Posts: 710; Member since: 18 May 2014)
No. Touchwiz just looks WAY better and is more user-friendly.
The bad thing is that Google will turn Touchwiz into a s**t like the second stock UI...
34. rd_nest (Posts: 1578; Member since: 06 Jun 2010)
Better someone ask Google to optimize their own software. Nexus batterylife suck compared to every other phone.
36. techandbeers (banned) (Posts: 110; Member since: 02 Nov 2015)
Stop spreading BS.
My Nexus 6P gets from 5-7.5 hours screen on time. Can't stand when people clearly have no idea what they are talking about.
50. rd_nest (Posts: 1578; Member since: 06 Jun 2010)
I have Nexus 4 and nexus 5, with me right now. And they both suck. Most phones get better batterylife than nexus even with lesser battery.
Note 5 is better than nexus 6P will ever be in terms of batterylife.
And that has been proven by multiple reviewers. Note 5 and iPhone 6s gets much better batterylife with even a lesser battery capacity.
55. housry23 (Posts: 127; Member since: 03 Jun 2012)
I would agree with the Note 5, but not the 6S. The 6S+ probably does, but the 6S is probably more like Nexus 5X battery life. The 6P lasts me all day and then some. What more do you want? They admitted battery life was bad and then they did something to improve it with 6.0.
57. vincelongman (Posts: 3975; Member since: 10 Feb 2013)
We have to remember that the Nexus 4 and 5 were almost half the price of the other flagships yet had similar specs
Which meant cost cutting in hardware (smaller battery, inefficient screens, worse cameras, worse SoC bins, ...)
Nexus 6 was because Samsung should an older inefficient AMOLED
The Nexus 6P has similar battery life with the Note 5 and iPhone 6S+ in low to medium usage
But worse battery than the Note 5 and iPhone 6S+ in heavy usage, because of the inefficient 810
67. keithtae (Posts: 336; Member since: 25 Mar 2015)
Stock android lags as hell. My nexus 7 is my first and I swear last nexus device- it's running slow now. I'm currently using the s6 edge+ and it really is better. Touchwiz looks better, also with more features that I appreciate. Stock android with the stupid double pull-down to get to toggle settings- most stupid idea ever. In touchwiz, I get everything I want with just 1 pull down from top, notification and toggle settings are all there, unlike stock.
52. engineer-1701d (Posts: 3208; Member since: 13 Mar 2014)
The Galaxy S7 and Samsung need to go stock Android and then have the ability to download specific items from Samsung App Store to be installed on the phone itself that would make updates universal from Google without having Carrier involved
2. Shocky (Posts: 2067; Member since: 16 May 2012)
Why haven't Google done this already?? Samsung is only the single largest Android OEM by a huge margin.
15. jellmoo (Posts: 1456; Member since: 31 Oct 2011)
Entirely possible that Samsung never wanted this level of partnership with Google before. Their... chuminesss... is relatively recent.
48. fiji.siv (Posts: 41; Member since: 25 Nov 2015)
Although Android is open source, TouchWiz is most certainly not. It's Samsung intellectual property. In order to show it to Google, they need to get the lawyers involved and then Google needs to get their lawyers involved and then management needs to sign the appropriate contracts and engineering usage needs to be scoped and before you know it, it's late-2015.
3. Martineverest (Posts: 190; Member since: 27 Oct 2015)
That won't stop Apple from dominating smartphone profit
18. Finalflash (Posts: 2719; Member since: 23 Jul 2013)
No he's right, they get less for more while everyone else gets more for less.
44. VZWuser76 (Posts: 3608; Member since: 04 Mar 2010)
And how does that help the consumer again?
4. Feanor (Posts: 663; Member since: 20 Jun 2012)
Uh? Wouldn't there be a competition law to prohibit this? It's like Google releasing a free operating system and then favourizes only one partner?
6. vincelongman (Posts: 3975; Member since: 10 Feb 2013)
Android is still going to be free for all other OEMs
Google and Samsung probably just made a deal where they will help each other out
Google helps Samsung optimize TouchWiz
Samsung helps Google implement some TouchWiz features into AOSP
Other OEMs could probably make similar deals if they wanted
9. techspace (Posts: 1020; Member since: 03 Sep 2012)
Maybe Samsung will allow google to use some of it's technologies.
Samsung won't directly help google in implementing touchwiz features in stock android because if Samsung knew how to knew how to implement them, why would they need google to optimize touchwiz?
28. techspace (Posts: 1020; Member since: 03 Sep 2012)
They go hand jn hand...making changes/modifying the way of implementation is optimization.
Samsung can share technology and let Google implement it themselves.
30. techspace (Posts: 1020; Member since: 03 Sep 2012)
Google doesn't really need someone to tech it how to implement the features in it's own OS, you can see many touchwiz features in newer versions of stock android without becoming resource hungry.
42. Plume-Veil (banned) (Posts: 174; Member since: 19 Nov 2015)
This is because of the update not being done on a clean install. Also Samsung phones have TouchWiz overlay on android which is a bit heavy.
To make your phone fast do a full factory reset after taking a full data backup so that you can restore everything! Doing this would clean up any mess left behind by the update process. Always try and do a clean install for a major update.
46. techspace (Posts: 1020; Member since: 03 Sep 2012)
Even the so called stock android in nexuses is built on top of AOSP with google services and launcher, but that doesn't make it a bit more resource hungry than the AOSP. Even nexus users don't do clean installs all the time. There are many custom ROMs that run even better than the version of android in nexuses, aren't they also modifying the same AOSP?
38. Plume-Veil (banned) (Posts: 174; Member since: 19 Nov 2015)
am tired of these touchwiz stories that generalize all devices.
I have a Note 3 and performance in an absolute bliss. Never had a single problem. Stable with no crashes, no lag when opening or switching between apps, etc. It gets even better when installing a custom ROM and kernel. But even stock is wonderful, once you change the launcher. Six months later, I've got more processes than I can remember on cache and over 12 xposed modules running, and lots of heavy modifications, and the thing is still blazing fast and works stutter free. For god's sake, I can run 8 applications in the same screen no problem, without noticeable stutters. And it still works fine when using quadview multiwindow. I don't know about the S5, but the Note 3 is just insanely powerful, at least my exynos version (before someone posts benchmarks, keep in mind the exynos version runs all 4 cores at any given time where the qualcomm Note 3 only runs one core for System UI processes to conserve battery, hence it's probably more prone to UI lag).
Every day I get closer to just making a video of how it opens apps blazingly fast and how it doesn't break a sweat under heavy multiwindow multitasking. I might just do it soon because frankly, many people just seem to be talking out of their asses or generalizing too much.
EDIT: I also have and have had multiple AOSP roms, so I'd notice a difference.
61. iushnt (Posts: 1482; Member since: 06 Feb 2013)
Samsung doesn't know? Just because one unconfirmed rumor comes out, u dive too deep into it. TouchWiz is nicely optimized to give a great battery life, awesome standby time, great camera algorithm, better security. U sound a kind of Samsung Hater. And yes Note 5 works extremely well.
65. techspace (Posts: 1020; Member since: 03 Sep 2012)
Everyone knows that it's a rumor, I have also used the word 'maybe'.
I am not a Samsung hater, I love the edge, but it's true that touchwiz is nowhere near to stock android, stock android runs reasonably well even on devices with 512 mb ram...and samsung is not apple, they need to make many low end budget devices to survive. You can't show your note 5 and believe that touchwiz runs well on all kinds of devices.
13. jellmoo (Posts: 1456; Member since: 31 Oct 2011)
Google has already done something similar with HTC on the release of the A9.
33. ibend (Posts: 3153; Member since: 30 Sep 2014)
nope, google already supporting lots of nexus variant from various company, and android one from various small manufacture
8. Ronnnie (Posts: 18; Member since: 25 Nov 2015)
Samsung makes nice phones and have slowly been improving their software. Still Touchwiz is why I won't buy another Samsung phone. I had the Note 4 and the amount of lag present on that phone should never exist on a flagship device. Hopefully this means Samsung will finally get their act together and produce quality version of Android to go with their awesome hardware.
10. Hallyu (Posts: 311; Member since: 21 Jul 2015)
Touchwiz is the better and more stable UI among non-stocked devices. It might not be pretty smooth like vanila from Google, but it's definitely better overall.
11. Wiencon (Posts: 1709; Member since: 06 Aug 2014)
I dunno, you can get really every Touchwiz feature on rooted AOSP. I know some people aren't convinced towards rooting but it's a win win beetween smoothness and richness
26. tokuzumi (Posts: 877; Member since: 27 Aug 2009)
Rooted roms almost always have way more bugs and stability issues than stock roms. They run smoother overall, but there are always more force closes, memory leaks, and features that just don't work together with other features. Only rarely will a group put thought into their roms (such as CM, ParanoidAndroid, and AOKP). Plus, most devs just throw features in to have features. Certain features are great such as enabling tethering, and separating notification and ringtone volumes. But stock roms are usually much more stable, due to more extensive testing. We can thank the carriers for that.
62. iushnt (Posts: 1482; Member since: 06 Feb 2013)
I have rooted. But the TouchWiz quality features aren't there. Also, when many features r added the battery gets worse than TouchWiz.
12. Plume-Veil (banned) (Posts: 174; Member since: 19 Nov 2015)
Samsung you need to add more Ram for it to function smoothly. The more apps and features you activate, the more it will take up Ram, leaving no Ram for the phone function properly. The Touchwiz and Android are a heavy platform for the Cpu to push. Android was made for desktop, not for a phone. How stupid a mobile Cpu running on a desktop. Stupid.
14. jellmoo (Posts: 1456; Member since: 31 Oct 2011)
No. No they don't. 3-4GB of RAM is plenty, even on TW devices. Adding more RAM wouldn't do much if anything when it comes to making the device "smoother".
37. Plume-Veil (banned) (Posts: 174; Member since: 19 Nov 2015)
e an untouched (not de-bloated and not after you kill a bunch of background processes) S5 and look at the amount of available memory at any given time, its typically less than 500MB, likely it is closer to 300MB...Thats out of 2GB!! Thats insane.
Then look at the amount of installed system apps (not user apps), there is roughly 300+ apps installed on a S5 or N4 out of the box with the vast majority of them being touchwiz apps and also being redundant. For example, a touchwiz keyboard and an AOSP keyboard, a touchwiz calendar and an AOSP calendar etc...There is a duplicate of every AOSP app and function on Galaxy devices.
Then we have the Samsung cloud services constantly running in the background, checking your location, syncing your data, scanning for nearby devices, looking for updates etc...All the while there is also the AOSP account apps doing the same thing.
Finally the logging, Samsung logs everything and sends that data back to Samsung constantly, where you are, your app usage, your online usage, error reports, crash reports etc....
No its not just "popular" to say touchwiz is bloated, its absolutely true. Touchwiz is unbelievably bloated to the point it cripples performance.
I went outside once...the UI was horrible
45. jellmoo (Posts: 1456; Member since: 31 Oct 2011)
Touchwiz *is* bloated, no disagreement there, I'm merely saying that more RAM isn't the solution. It's a band aid that treats the symptoms, not the problem, and doesn't treat it effectively.
63. iushnt (Posts: 1482; Member since: 06 Feb 2013)
Do you know how RAM works? Unused RAM is wasted RAM. It's better the more it gets used. The less it's empty the faster the OS works. I disagree to many of your posts. HOWEVER, u r not the target market of Note or S series anymore
16. jellmoo (Posts: 1456; Member since: 31 Oct 2011)
This is a great move by both parties. If they can manage to marry the feature set of TW with some of the smoothness of stock Android, it would be a serious win-win for consumers.
17. FluffyBled (Posts: 446; Member since: 10 Sep 2014)
I am still expecting a Samsung made Nexus 6 (Dreaming :S)!
19. combatmedic870 (Posts: 546; Member since: 02 Sep 2015)
I'd rather a Samsung made Nexus 5P.
Imagine an S6 with no hardware buttons with front facing speakers, a SD 820, 4gb ram, USB-C, wireless charging, IR.
I'd pay 6-700 for it. Yes
21. Ronnnie (Posts: 18; Member since: 25 Nov 2015)
That's probably be more like what the 2016 nexus will be like. :)
22. FluffyBled (Posts: 446; Member since: 10 Sep 2014)
Rather the Exynos IMHO ... but well ... let's see what the future holds!
And also google is very happy with LG making their Nexus 5, I doubt they would switch to another OEM for it!
27. combatmedic870 (Posts: 546; Member since: 02 Sep 2015)
I doubt you'll ever see a Exynos in a dev device. The SD's are ALOT more dev friendly.
I really wish they would use someone else besides LG. Either Sony, or Samsung IMO.
35. cncrim (Posts: 790; Member since: 15 Aug 2011)
Then you will kiss good buy 500 price tag nor 600.
20. Taters (banned) (Posts: 6474; Member since: 28 Jan 2013)
Meddling bosses and owners, in this case partner, never works. Touch wiz runs fantastic as is. Don't need any intrusions from Google.
Seems like the GS7 is hitting all the wrong notes like the GS5 did.
24. RandyPhill (Posts: 2; Member since: 25 Nov 2015)
Don't remove the multi user mode this time Samsung.
25. Odeira (Posts: 232; Member since: 29 Jun 2012)
Probably Google will "nudge" Samsung to remove Multi Window. I mean, devices withOUT it have better significantly better RAM management, so to improve it it has to be completely axed, right?