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1. scottmbolt (unregistered)
because AT&T's network BLOWS!
9. PapaJay224 (Posts: 866; Member since: 08 Feb 2009)
OH WAIT?!?! ISN'T TODAY THE DAY VZW IS ALEGIDLY SUPPOSED TO "FOLLOW SUIT" WITH AT&T'S POOR DECISION FOR TIERD DATA, OH YEAH THATS RIGHT, IT WAS BS.
13. networkdood (Posts: 6330; Member since: 31 Mar 2010)
The thing is that of this study is done in June or July then AT&T plan to have more Wifi being used is working and the company is releasing massive hotspots at placed like Central Park in NYC where you can use wifi over a large radius outdoors. Eventually WiFi is being upgraded for faster speeds, too, just as 3G is also....having both options is great as my CAPTIVATE (euro/AT&T mod rom) grabs WiFi when available and switches to 3G when Wifi is not around or when I tell it, too. Works out great.
33. dongdou (Posts: 49; Member since: 18 Jan 2009)
Were still doing it but it's more likely to come out with LTE
45. PapaJay224 (Posts: 866; Member since: 08 Feb 2009)
DATA PLANS WILL CHANGE, BUT NOT THE WAY THIS CRAP GOSSIP SITE SAIS THEY WILL, WE WONT FOLLOW AT&T. WONT!
2. vzw fanman (Posts: 1976; Member since: 11 Dec 2008)
haha lol. i love the last sentence. so true.
30. E.N. (Posts: 2610; Member since: 25 Jan 2009)
I think the last sentence is a weird conclusion. Not scientific at all.
37. omgoshphones305 (Posts: 19; Member since: 21 Jul 2010)
i think your sentence is weird, scientifically breaking down an opion of a sentance, -1
41. gambino37 (Posts: 146; Member since: 16 Oct 2009)
Scientifically breaking down the opinion of a sentence? Really? Did you see that happen? I sure as he'll didn't. But I did see your horrible spelling.
46. PapaJay224 (Posts: 866; Member since: 08 Feb 2009)
Ok, so back to the topic...Thank EN for your enforcement on this site we couldnt do it with out you, I mean have fun that is. The article is CLEARLY saying that iPhone users are just iPhone owners and DATA isnt really what they use, even though its a smartphone...most of the users are "me to" users anyway and everyone knows that. I talked to a customer today that has been with VZW for 14 years and owned a pantech 4500 or something , she switched to At&t because her family had iPhones and she wanted one too. Perfect "scientific" example for your retarded ass. I effing hate you.
3. YouLostTheGame (Posts: 441; Member since: 11 Dec 2008)
Anyone have any info on how many more smartphone users are on ATT vs how many are on VZW? So I guess this puts an end to the old theory of "if the iPhone were on VZW it would clog/slow down their network too". I mean face it people, when it comes to handling data loads, VZW has the network to back it up. What I also wonder is if iPhone users would use mote data if they could actually get a connection most of the time!
10. PapaJay224 (Posts: 866; Member since: 08 Feb 2009)
For the Nations "Fastest 3G Network"? I'm starting to think that its rigged because they're conserving bandwidth by robbing there smartphone users. VZW may not statistically be as "Fast" but atleast we can carry the load. I think we all know what "Load" At&t carries.
18. JeffdaBeat (unregistered)
Well no, there are still some things to take into account. Remember, iPhone's data issues as far as network goes only really occurs in two major cities, San Fran and New York. It's the concentration of users using a lot of data rather than just the amount of data. If you dumped all iPhone users on Verizon in those areas, yes you would see congestion. Same as a traffic jam. Outside of those areas, you probably wouldn't see those issues. But even on AT&T, outside the area, you don't see too many issues with data Now actually being able to connect or any latency is a different story.
26. wishbone (Posts: 13; Member since: 30 Oct 2009)
I've had the iphone for 3 years now, never had I had an issue connecting, with or with out wifi. You guys seem to spend whole lot of time bashing versus actually getting facts. I'm a huge supporter of the iphone, it works perfectly for me, isn't that what it's all about,,,,having choices? Besides do you really think there would be any hemorrhoid phones if Apple had not put out the iphone? You hemorroid guys should all be thanking Apple for putting it out so you can have your little toy, and something to bitch about, which is what it seems most of you do here
36. JackFace (Posts: 190; Member since: 03 Nov 2009)
Here is what I wish: Total Number of SmartPhone Users on Verizon & ATT. This way, you can take the average USE of each SmartPhone User on both networks and multiply it by the number of Users to get a total of how much each network is putting out. I agree that this evidence is incriminating to the theory of AT&T's bogged down network. Verizon has a better and stronger network... case closed.
40. networkdood (Posts: 6330; Member since: 31 Mar 2010)
LOL, ANDROID = HEMORROID - nice one...and I am a HEMORROID user....oww...
42. gambino37 (Posts: 146; Member since: 16 Oct 2009)
Don't give him credit for that one. Doesn't really even fit. Just because the last three letters are OID? Not too clever if you ask me. And he speaks of choices and Apple in the same sentence. Bwah ha ha. Proprietary crap like Apple's is bullshit. What choice do you have? Hmmm. iPhone, iPhone, or iPhone. Lots of choices there retard. Yea I also love how now apparently the iPhone created android. Where's the logic in that piece of idiotic ideology?
43. iHateCrapple (Posts: 734; Member since: 12 Feb 2010)
Just so you know...YES we would have had Android anyway because scooped em up in 2005 bro. Google was putting their mobile division together 2 years before the iPhone was released!
47. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
actually jeff, ATT always had network problems in NY, long before the Iphone. The iphone just helped force the issue. VZW has no such issues because they always make sure they have X amount of extra bandwith and backup towers. Concidering NY is wired head to toe with VZW fiberoptics for internet and cell phone backbone, i dont think VZW would have the same problem. They also invest nearly double every year into their network than ATT does. Are they perfect? No, but heads n shoulders above ATT. Also, Papa, ATT no longer claims "nations fastest 3g" because Tmobile offers speeds that are tripple ATT. 21mbs baby! They now say "americas biggest wifi network". LOL. Imma pay 130 a month to use wifi!!woo hoo!!
5. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
its because everyone on ATT has to use WiFi to get online. People on VZW dont need wifi because their phones just work. Its a sad day when your carriers advertisement (and i just saw this last night) says "ATT, worlds largest WiFi network" Its really on their TV ads. You pay a premium for ATT service.... to use wifi. I dont even need WiFi on Tmobile.. LOL. Besides, a report they posted a few months ago showed that VZW had the most data usage, followed by sprint, then ATT then Tmobile really close on ATT's heels. This isnt new. :)
6. jherz6 (Posts: 216; Member since: 23 May 2008)
Wifi who needs it?, I mean really. If your on a network that works (Verizon) and not on one that seems to have trouble constantly (AT&T) you don't need wifi. I have the x and it has wifi which my last two phones did also I checked it out once but otherwise have never used it or found the need to.
14. networkdood (Posts: 6330; Member since: 31 Mar 2010)
Who needs WiFi? Those that travel internationally and want to save money. Verizon does not have data, or very fast data, everywhere in the U.S., so I am sure WiFi would be a plus in those areas. I get 3mbs at home quite often on 3G at home and at work.
16. Sinaps (Posts: 60; Member since: 27 Jul 2010)
Yeah, i have the droid x too, i need the wifi because i don't get very fast 3G coverage in my home.
25. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
i think the point of the post was to show that the vast majority of VZW users never turn on their wifi because their connection always works. With ATT having so many data problems, they train their customers to use WiFi more instead of just fixing the network.
27. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
lol VZW is nickling and diming and ATT isnt? Tiered data?!?! whos got that?! Oh ATT. Why.. to save you money? NO, so when u actually do need your phone and spike your data, you get charged out the bloody nose for it. They know thats whats gonna happen. If most customers use an average of say 500mb. They give you a plan for 1 gig. They know a certain percentage of customers are going to have a spike in their data then be slammed with a big bill.
7. jrcrow79 (Posts: 477; Member since: 02 May 2008)
lol..vzw is nickel n diming and they say they use more data..lmao!..I never had an issue with my iphone 3gs or lg neon for ATT..must be scott's kharma!
8. tallica05 (Posts: 93; Member since: 26 Dec 2009)
jcrow79 Really dude??? What about what you just said has to do with VZW customers using more data then at&t customers?Nickel and diming huh???? AT&T has long since mirrored the pricing that verizon does. The only difference now is the lower data plans which verizon will be doing. So your comment is dumb and for that i award you a -1 for you and your non problematic iphone which had nothing to do with this post ..
11. PapaJay224 (Posts: 866; Member since: 08 Feb 2009)
I'd say give me unlimited data and nickle and dime me all day long, put me on "tierd data" like At&t and kiss my ass.
12. networkdood (Posts: 6330; Member since: 31 Mar 2010)
Yeah, let us not get worked up over a report that took 20k sample of bills out of 65million + possible bills from each carrier and concluded that Verizon customers use more data. Big mistake from a .03 or less sampling. Not very accurate and who knows how much at&t users use on wifi as that is never tracked. Plus, AT&T are encouraged far more to use WiFi - I would be interested in a complete study to see how much cellular and WiFi data is used by all customers of all carriers and then break that down by carrier - doubt it will ever happen. I use 2-3GB of cellular data per mnth and use WiFi also, and I rarely have connection issues even in my house where I get 1-3 bars of service. So, what else is everyone gonna be worked up for nothing over?
15. tallica05 (Posts: 93; Member since: 26 Dec 2009)
This article is speaking in terms of data on the network not wifi.
17. networkdood (Posts: 6330; Member since: 31 Mar 2010)
-1 for you because, like an iSHEEP, a blind one, you do not read the article with full comprehension. It is a survey of 20k bills per each carrier, I believe. The companies combined for over 120 million postpaid subscribers - not counting prepaid and M2M connection - 20k is a small drop in the bucket and not an accurate survey - if you knew anything about surveys you would know that a small sample size has a greater % for discrepency. I would rather see all data usage, WiFi (if that is possible) and cellular, per each carrier, than a tiny sample size - I doubt it will ever happen - to see who indeeds carries the most data. Maybe in the end it does not matter. Again, the survey may reflect the fact that AT&T, because it has a large Wifi network with poorer coverage for cellular, may indeed have less data usage now than, say 2007-2009. I know many posters have little comprehension on how things works, and so I get the -1s, but anaylze before you criticize.
19. dongdou (Posts: 49; Member since: 18 Jan 2009)
Yeah but the point was this wasnt based on wifi data this is based on network data being used.... take your own advice and get a clue on what people are talking about and comprehend what theyre saying. thats why you get -1 is cause you think your smarter then everyone. And its annoying.
20. YouLostTheGame (Posts: 441; Member since: 11 Dec 2008)
Personally IMO, I think it's pathetic that network has to advertise the hell out of WiFi hotspots because it can't handle the data load. What the hell do I pay my monthly data charge for if they expect me to NOT use their network?! However, that being said, your point about total data usage between 3G and WiFi would be interesting.
21. networkdood (Posts: 6330; Member since: 31 Mar 2010)
Annoying that I actually think outside the box on a survey that really means nothing? Sure, ok. But, again you and many posters miss the big picture. If a typical user does around 350MB with AT&T and uses an addtional 350 MB on wifi and a typical Verizon user does 500 MB and 100MB of Wifi, then sure Verizon seems to carry a bigger cellular load. But two things have this article a little flawed - 20k bills - that is not much - do you folks get it. That is way too small of a sample size to draw any conclusions on. All we can say is, ok maybe AT&T subs use less data because their network sucks or because their iphones are eye candy? I doubt that very much, but we will not know until someone does a real sample size. Plus, I am not even sure we can ever know how much Wifi is being used. AT&T does have the largest WiFi network in the US with way more connections than anyone else. The very least we can draw the conclusion that Verizon has benefited from DROID phones. You know what happens you assume, right? Just because an article is posted on this website does not mean we cannot analyze it and take it a step further. That is why we should question the validity of the study rather than accept it as fact - just as many of you folks accuse iphone owners of mindlessly purchasing an iphone, some of you read an article like the one posted here and start bashing whoever for whatever reasons like you have an agenda or something.
22. networkdood (Posts: 6330; Member since: 31 Mar 2010)
Thanks, I am not promoting anything but just am curious about doing a real study with real facts - 20k sampling is so puny that it is not even worth an article to print about. And, yes, AT&T does advertise and push Wifi because its network has not always handled the data load very well. Although, in San Fran, that issue is more of a red tape issue, then AT&T.
23. GlenF (Posts: 50; Member since: 02 Nov 2009)
i don't really want to get into a pissing match, because i don't particularly care enough to, but by your logic the majority of every survey taken anywhere in the world on any given subject is useless. Almost all surveys use a concentrated sample, usually in metro areas, to gather their results. You may think you're "thinking outside the box" but you are invalidating fact because it doesn't fit your specific criteria, ie; you dislike Verizon and have a problem with anything that reflects badly on your favorite carrier, so you use a non-network argument (wi-Fi) to dismiss a network related survey. A quick example: by your logic every Consumer Reports article ever released is invalid because they use a concentrated sample to determine their customer satisfaction results. Yet consumer reports is widely respected and accepted as an authority and expert just saying...
24. networkdood (Posts: 6330; Member since: 31 Mar 2010)
no, my logic is take a larger sample size as 20k is really nothing. I actually like Verizon and had them for service 5 years ago and never had a billing or network issue. A sample size of .001% really is not enough to draw conclusions. That is a fact. However, it may be all that can be done without spending millions of dollars to find out. Don't they have a figure that shows overall network data use for cellular already out there?? I just wonder if WiFi could be included. Also, I already debunked your carrier favortism argument, obviously, and in my last post stated that it was obvious AT&T had issues carrying the load and are pushing WiFi. My last 2 phones, windows and android, were purchased from AT&T and unlocked and then modified because I dislike how AT&T neuters their smartphones. Yeah, I am really pro-AT&T....RAH RAH get your pom poms on.... Glen, by your logic, we should always believe what we read, and that CONSUMER REPORTS is never biased on its findings. Go GOOGLE "How to do a valid survey", as it will help shed some light on the subject. Also, while you are there read the hundreds of articles that criticize COSUMER REPORTS. You have to look at the big picture before drawing conclusion as over simplying things can lead to a distorted perceived truth.
28. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
yea, exept its not a sample size of .001. do some math. And statistical annalysis draws very accurate readings from chunks of users. Maybe u should take a stat class or 2. Studies like this are normally very accurate within a few degrees of freedom. ATT pushes WiFi because they wont upgrade their damn network. What people use on WiFi isnt in question. I shouldnt have to pay 130 a month for an unlimited smartphone plan and then have to use WiFi on top of that. for 130 i expect that phone to work everywhere. Why not, U can get unlimited everything for 80 on Tmobile, and unlimted M2M with data on sprint for what.. 70? Verizon charges 130 a month and it works pretty much everywhere. Hell, Sprint has a pretty broad map.. better than ATTs, and they charge like half. Tmobile has about the same coverage as ATT but MORE AND FASTER data, and its like 40% less. Why would anyone pay 130 a month and be forced to use wifi? Really.. is an iphone worth that much? Sad.
31. networkdood (Posts: 6330; Member since: 31 Mar 2010)
You cannot count all costs when looking at data - you either pay 15, 25 or 30 for data - leave voice and messaging costs out of it, for now - 20k out of approx 130 million, MILLION, postpaid subs between 2 companies = .015%, as you have to X 100 for your initial result - so, yeah, it is way too small of a sample size. I get 3mbs when using my data and I douby T-Mobile has the same coverage, but, ok I will take your word. Remix, I have taking 2 stats classes, albeit, years ago - and .015% is too small of sample to draw a definite conclusion on - would be dangerous to do so - although, maybe not in this case. Either way it is very funny, yes, funny, how everyone has their favorite carrier and phone - your loyalty is only a number to these greedy companies....
34. dongdou (Posts: 49; Member since: 18 Jan 2009)
Now you keep saying 20k is puny. but looknig and other polls for anything its the same kinda numbers done in any study.. as long as you have enought accounts to work a basic average that becomes average.. like what company has the best customer service is based off about 20k people responding to adds... Or 2 out of every 5 americans smoke. or whatever any other survey has been promoted. its off of a basic average from a small portion whatever topic theyre researching... So stop being so dramatic and thinking were picking on you. we got your point. But were here to talk about the article not your thoughts on what should be done.
35. networkdood (Posts: 6330; Member since: 31 Mar 2010)
no prob - I am not big on polls or 2 out of 5 thi, unless I see exactly how that info was gathered - very important you read the fine print before you buy or believe something...
48. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
lol. Tmobile and ATT share nearly identical maps because of roaming agreements. The only difference being that Tmobile is deploying HSPA+ (21mbs) faster than ATT is rolling out regular HSPA (7.1), so tmo's high end 3g map is bigger than ATTs now. Granted the vibrant isnt a hspa+ phone since there isnt one out yet, but i get 6mbs down and 2 up on a speed test. And i pay 40% less than att/vzw. ok.. well technically i pay less than that as an EMP, but regular customers pay 40% less.. lol Thats easy math :)
29. DontHateOnS60 (Posts: 867; Member since: 20 Apr 2009)
It's amazing what happens when a carrier doesn't focus on one phone, but focuses on getting many phones that will appeal to many consumers. Granted, I’m still nowhere near impressed with the amount of choices we have when I compare them to what European carriers offer, but Verizon is offering a better array of smartphones than AT&T, that appeal to a wider user base. Verizon has the Droid, Droid X, Droid Incredible, Pre, Pixi, Omnia II, Devour, and a few others, not to mention they'll have their own Galaxy S coming too. Their Android devices alone are holding the fort down. Why though? Because they offer you choices. Want a 3.7” touch screen device? They have 2. Want a touch screen with a QWERTY? They have 5. Want an 8MP camera and touch screen? They have 2. Want a 4.3” touch screen or a 4” touch screen? They will soon have one of each. AT&T has the iPhone, Pre, Pixi, Aria, Backflip, Captivate, Tilt 2 (does anyone actually buy that anymore?), and that’s pretty much it. Notice how weak their Android choices are. The Captivate is the only saving grace in that respect, but even that still suffers from AT&T idiotic ways. In fact, if you want a Symbian device, you can forget about it, the E71x is garbage. The fact of the matter is that AT&T has a lot of holes in their lineup that I don’t see getting filled anytime soon, like a multimedia powerhouse with an 8 MP+ camera. The Nokia N8-00 would fill that gap perfectly and satisfy all the Symbian users as long as AT&T kept the sales package intact, and left the software alone. AT&T needs to step up their game when it comes to giving the consumer choices.
32. networkdood (Posts: 6330; Member since: 31 Mar 2010)
TILT 2 is awesome for modding into an ANDROID :) DONTHATE, you make a great point that I have always said - DO NOT JUST RELY ON ONE PHONE....the CAPTIVATE is a high class ANDROID phone and it did quite nicely against EVO and the DROID VERIZON family with Q scores and FPS ratings - google those results online or watch youtube.... WINDOWS 7 is on the way, I hear and more ANDOID is, too....prob not better than DROID X or captivate... Yeah, I have modded my last 2 phones due to AT&Ts own modifications off of the original model.
38. omgoshphones305 (Posts: 19; Member since: 21 Jul 2010)
"can you tell me why the iphone is better?" "i can download apps on it!" "big fucking deal, my 8 year old neice's shitty boost has apps on it." it's really a brand issue. people who buy the apple iphone just want it for social reasons in my opinon (maybe like 75% of the iphone pop) but at the same time, you would assume that a company that prides in being able to "surf the web" while talking would incline users to do that more often. but at the same time, just ask any iphone user in nyc or san fran and ask them how their service is. i can almost promise you majority will have something to say about att's shitty network. which is true. the droid line up are offering more third party services that do use a lot of data compared to the iphone from what i have seen. so it makes sense that yes verizon does have high amounts used, but at the same time, it creates the argument of why people buy an iphone
39. networkdood (Posts: 6330; Member since: 31 Mar 2010)
good points - although, I hear NYC is getting better for AT&T and SAN FRAN is more of a red tape issue - most of my apps allow me to use/download them with just 3G/UMTS, while the wife's iphone tells her to use WiFi...lol, that would account for why AT&T users use less data on average, per this report.