Nokia's Lumia Windows Phones – was it worth the wait?
First of all, we should note that the announcement event was very interesting, one of the most impressive ones we've seen recently. It's obvious that the people in charge of preparations have given it a lot of thought – all speakers were flawless, while a number of surprises managed to really excite the spirits in the hall – like, for example, the unexpected video link with a Finnish Nokia factory, where they showed how they package a Nokia Lumia 800 and ready it for shipment. And it seems all of this fuss wasn't in vain, as the new Nokia handsets do look pretty nice, especially the Lumia 800 and its fancy design. However, now that the dust has settled, we want to think about how relevant the new products are, and whether or not the wait was worth it.
Nokia N9, the Lumia 800 will probably achieve what the N9 never will, and that's massive user adoption. We're still a bit hesitant about this though, as Windows Phone is also an unestablished platform yet. But it does stand better chances than MeeGo for sure. Interestingly, Stephen Elop went as far as to say that this is actually the “first real Windows Phone” ever! This sure is a bold statement, since we've seen some quite good WP smartphones, and even then, Microsoft's mobile OS failed to gain almost any traction this year. However, when we think about it, Nokia might be the best partner to help Redmond set its foot on the market. Actually, we're pretty sure that the Lumia 800 and Lumia 710 will sell not because they run WP, but because they are Nokia phones. And of course, that should be a-okay for Steve Ballmer and company for the time being.
Invading the mainstream
Nokia Lumia 710. Now, what about this one – will it be a relevant product when it finally hits the market? It seems so. After all, it still has a pretty sizable 3.7” LCD Clear Black display, as well as a fast 1.4 GHz processor. In addition, it also looks good, although the build quality isn't as spectacular as with the 800.
But since this is a Nokia handset we're talking about, we can expect that it would be reliable and trustworthy, so people will likely consider it, when the time comes to make a purchase. And with its pretty decent specs sheet, as well as form factor and dimensions that would appeal to the mainstream public, we have no reason to think it won't sell, if it ends up priced appropriately, of course.
It's crazy to think that Nokia has spent all of this time just designing these two phones. And it hasn't. Meanwhile, the Finns have also worked with the WP software in order to bring some unique value to the platform – value that will be available only on Nokia handsets. Now, this is really important, because although Windows Phone is a pretty decent OS, it can still make good use of some big features such as quality navigation and easy access to music, all for free. That's exactly what Nokia has brought to the table.
Nokia Drive, Nokia Music and ESPN Sports Hub are all major features that will surely appeal to consumers. Not only will users be attracted to Nokia's Windows Phones, because of their superior design and recognition, they will also have the upper hand in the user experience field, when it comes to navigation and entertainment, which are two core categories of smartphone functionality.
Thinking about it, the Lumia 800 and 710 Windows Phones look like two very good packages. Unlike Android phone manufacturers, Nokia hasn't taken the monstrous specs approach; instead, it has focused on targeting the average user with two more balanced offerings, which seems to be the right move. We don't think that the 800 and 710 will be irrelevant when they hit the market later this year, as by the looks of it, the manufacturer has done a decent job for the time these phones have been in development. However, we aren't blown away either. It will take even better products, as well as great consistency from Nokia, in order for it to reclaim its lost positions. But it's a nice start, and a definite shift from the unfavorable situation of being on top of the burning platform.
19. eiyoy009 (Posts: 57; Member since: 01 Jun 2011)
it proves that phonearena is truly against nokia...
PHONEARENA don't understand business..
nokia is just re-used the design hardware of 603 and N9 because they dont have time to spend designing a monsterous specs YOU want...
it is really a good move of nokia because they make a solution s fast even though they are not ready of making wp7 this year...GET IT PHONEARENA!!!
26. andro. (Posts: 1977; Member since: 16 Sep 2011)
Agreed not really woth the wait except for a niche nokia fan base. Phonearena made an interesting point of how buyers will see its from nokia and know its reliable,phonearena doesn't obviously have and real retail phone experience as I can tell you that the n8 and c7 and c3-01 have been some of the most problematic phones my shop has ever stocked (outside of all the iphone 4 faults and dropping calls complaints),all sorts of problems arise ranging from these 3 phones freezing,turning off,screens going blank etc.
Sometimes repair engineers reports say it was software problems sometimes hardware so its not symbian itself to blame although symbian on the vivaz was a nightmare of a phone.
Tbh even some of the affordable nokia basic calls and texts phones these days are proving troublesome at times,nokia has really fallen behind
2. redmd (Posts: 960; Member since: 26 Oct 2011)
the Galaxy Note however ...
Nokia Lumia 710 will be against last year's wp7 handsets whose price just went down accordingly. Now an average Joe would ask why he should choose Nokia over HTC Samsung LG WP phones.
3. Andman314 (Posts: 61; Member since: 27 Apr 2011)
No the Nokia Lumia Windows Phones was not worth the wait. Its just another windows phone. Im not a big fan of the new windows phone 7. Do get me wrong i had a windows phone before the iphone came out. But today windows phone all do the same thing and all look the same. I call the WP7 iphone light. LOL
5. Mobile-X-Pert (Posts: 565; Member since: 20 Dec 2010)
I guess you guys didn't even read the post, sad
6. redmd (Posts: 960; Member since: 26 Oct 2011)
I read it. In my opinion, it's not worth the wait. You guessed wrong.
7. bigboss (Posts: 74; Member since: 26 Oct 2011)
As long as I get extra features like free navigation and music I would wait for that.
8. Mobile-X-Pert (Posts: 565; Member since: 20 Dec 2010)
The reason why I say it it's because most people just read the title and not the whole poest, why is it so hard to be objective???
10. Padmasali (Posts: 15; Member since: 31 Aug 2011)
No... But it is a Start of Good things for Nokia...
11. Padmasali (Posts: 15; Member since: 31 Aug 2011)
Nokia all ways had premium look on his hardware section of phone... but, now it get perfect OS for his phone... so it will be a success in future...
12. Mobile-X-Pert (Posts: 565; Member since: 20 Dec 2010)
You're right, the only thing Nokia was lacking is a good OS, but now that they got WP7 with a ''nice and smooth UI and no Fragmentation'', they have a great opportunity to succeed
15. hunted (Posts: 371; Member since: 21 Sep 2011)
Going for a higher spec at the entry will not assure you success, the 800 is worth the wait looks good. I will get one.
16. bluechrism (Posts: 99; Member since: 09 Sep 2011)
Just want to mention that around the web and on various podcasts i've heard people pleasntly suprised that nokia has 2 devices ready for sale to the public. Microsoft has a faily locked down set of specs still anyway so an NFS dual core device with expandable memory and TV-out was never an option here. The hardware is basically the same as the Nokia N9 and Nokia 603, but with a different set of internal components. If you do a hardware spec comparison on these devices, apart from the processor speed, I think you will find the MeeGo (N9) and Symbian Belle (603) devices are ultimately the better spec options: (NFC, tv out, front facing cameras, full offline mapping with full nokia maps, better support on your pc, more RAM (N9), more built in memory (N9), FM Radio and transmitter (603), expandable memory (603), USB on the go, bluetooth file transfer, probably some things i've missed).
Nokia had almost no impact in windows phone mango so for any sort of software side differentiation was going to be in apps and offline mapping is nice. However, for anything with real nokia innovation in software and hardware we probably need to wait for Apollo, which nokia will undoubtedly have had impact in and hopefully there will be a more hardware freedom as well. However, compared to the other windows phone devices, these should be competitive at both the higher end with the 800, and the entry level (for windows phone) with the 710.
Was it worth the wait - Yes, although there was no WOW moment like with the n9 launch, but ultimately a bit better than i expected. Many nokia followers have felt for a while that the nokia windows phones to get excited about won't be announced until next year, and the ones now are a good, solid start.
17. jasongohjr (Posts: 75; Member since: 26 Sep 2011)
If it doesn't lack the ff cameras.... ): hopefully there is a 900 to be at the best of the best wp7
18. ReturningToNokia (Posts: 130; Member since: 09 Jul 2011)
Dear PhoneArena: The 800 series phones from Nokia are NOT flagships! Only the 900 series phones will be considered flagships. Get educated about these things, will ya?
Anyway, yes, it was worth the wait. And the U.S. launch in 2012 will definitely be worth the wait!
32. Eingild (Posts: 203; Member since: 19 Apr 2011)
The least thing you can do is to say it properly and with a respectful tone.
20. T12RYK (Posts: 98; Member since: 10 Jun 2011)
I'm torn between getting this or the HTC Titan now...
I do like Nokia Maps and used to to used to use it all the time but don't thnk its enough to sway me from the big screen the Titan has.
21. Mobile-X-Pert (Posts: 565; Member since: 20 Dec 2010)
yeah, but keep in mind that the screen resolution is inferior compared to the screen size, so I guess the Lumia 800 is the best of the bunch.
22. Muhannad (Posts: 455; Member since: 20 Sep 2011)
I'm extremely exciting about getting the Lumia 710 but I was expecting more from Nokia. They put a display with 1000 Nits of brightness on a Symbian smartphone which they've abandoned but couldn't do the same on their new WP phones?! Or are these supposed to be some selling points for their Symbian smartphones only?
24. Mobile-X-Pert (Posts: 565; Member since: 20 Dec 2010)
Actually, they haven't talk much about the display on the 710, probably it's got a CB IPS screen, who knows..
25. Muhannad (Posts: 455; Member since: 20 Sep 2011)
It's not an IPS LCD, just a normal CBD LCD.
28. Mobile-X-Pert (Posts: 565; Member since: 20 Dec 2010)
you're probably right, cause I know that the Symbian 701 has got a Clear Black IPs screen of 1000 nits.
23. ledbetterp3 (Posts: 467; Member since: 31 Aug 2011)
So, even people who don't like wp7 will want/get these phones just because it's made by Nokia?
27. rafael.roque (Posts: 78; Member since: 03 Jul 2010)
Not the loyal ones like me, lol. I made my choice even when WP7 was around and I just love my Symbian N8 with all it's pros and cons! I am even going as far as getting the Meego N9 instead; it's the only plausible upgrade for me without sacrifising control of my phone to either microsoft, google or apple:). On another note:
Long Live Nokia "Classic"
that is before Elop turned it over to Microsoft and remove one more choice from the consumer. Because at the end of the day, Nokia was just that: another choice to Android(Google), iOS(Apple), and WP7(Microsoft)
29. Mobile-X-Pert (Posts: 565; Member since: 20 Dec 2010)
I understand you man, but the problem is the ''APPS'', if developers don't want to write apps for symbian they had to go for another OS that attracts developers, like WP7 and I really wouldn't like them to go for Android, so WP7 is the best choice for right now.
Meego seems to be an excelent OS but with no support from 3rd party developers, how is it going to succeed? MS has been in the game for quite a while, they know what they're doing and have the money to do it; yes money is important if you want an OS to be successfull. The mobile world has changed and the apps and developers support are the guns.
54. rafael.roque (Posts: 78; Member since: 03 Jul 2010)
While I don't speak for everyone else; I have tried WP because I actually sell them along with Android and iOs phones (and I can tell you that it doesn't look good for WP even with Nokia; specially when Nokia lost it's credibility in the US where they needed to make the biggest push even before WP). Put simply, while the phone runs smoothly and perky; it's still not to my taste because I can't customize it to my liking as far as the homscreen is concerned. Then I factored in the limitations imposed by WP on bluetooth, sharing my internet, and the way microsoft wants me to sync with Zune regardless of me liking/having zune software on my PC and my decision is clear: NO THANK YOU.
One of the great things about Symbian and Meego for that matter was that it got along with almost all PC software and allowed me to work with what I liked/have already. Wheter or not Symbian is dead it's completely subjective; fact of the matter is that with Symbian Belle it was proven that the platform can evolve if given proper management and direction. And worst case scenario, Meego could of just simply been renamed the new Symbian and further develop; seeing as the current version has all the basics covered already. ANYWAY, to cut this reply short; I had a choice over Android, iOS and WP before with Nokia but now that seems to be fading away for the wrong reasons.
BTW if you like WP, then good for you, but I can guarantee you that if the opposite was happening to you AND WP was failing and being replaced by Symbian because Nokia convinced Microsoft to do so; YOU WOULD FEEL betrayed and your loyalty to Microsoft products would come into question. Customer base is critical to any brand out there and right now instead of solidifying where Nokia stands; they are dividing their customers and hurting themselves in the long run. Nokia like Apple was known for doing things different from others, but when you put investors in charge of the decisions INSTEAD of THE LEADERSHIP THAT KNOWS THEIR CORE PRODUCT you will understand why Apple is doing great and Nokia is hurting.
40. Mobile-X-Pert (Posts: 565; Member since: 20 Dec 2010)
Nokia means quality hardware everywhere you go, even my grandma knows that.
41. Glim12808 (Posts: 393; Member since: 26 Oct 2011)
I stopped buying Nokia phones a few years back when I went for SE phones but now I'm coming back because I'm excited over the "marriage" of WP7.5 and Nokia.
43. Mobile-X-Pert (Posts: 565; Member since: 20 Dec 2010)
You know why I'm excited about this? Because I know Nokia makes one of the best quality hardware and last time I checked WP7 was one of the most ''if not the most'' reliable OS out there, so excellent hardware + great OS is just what I'm looking for.
30. lubba (Posts: 1313; Member since: 17 Jan 2011)
Once they hit US stores, i will let you know if it was worth the wait. And for US consumers, we will have to wait till 2012. By then both products will be irrelevant. Why? Nokia will probably have something better. All Wp oems will have something better! For Nokia, these two new products are just the icing on the cake. Having said that, fans and nonfans of Nokia and Wp shouldn't beach too much...
31. henrickrw (Posts: 408; Member since: 16 Sep 2011)
I prefer the N9 even if Meego is dead..!!!!
34. HTCiscool (Posts: 449; Member since: 16 Jul 2011)
Not really worth the wait, but if you are into WP7 then the Nokia 800 is the best there is behind the Samsung Focus S, this is how the Nokia WP7 devices stack up against others
1. Samsung Focus S
2. Nokia 800
3. HTC Titan
4. HTC Radar
5. Nokia 710
6. Samsung Focus Flash
7. LG Phones
36. HTCiscool (Posts: 449; Member since: 16 Jul 2011)
If I were choosing a WP7 phone right now then I'd choose the HTC Radar or the Nokia 800.
The Titan, Focus S, Lumia 800 are all the same price so between these I'd get the Lumia 800
48. remixfa (Posts: 14251; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
hardware wise the samsung spanks the others in power, screen beauty and probably battery life
the nokia has it beat in 2 key categories though
1) carl ziess 8mpx camera trumps the samsung pinhole camera
2) nokia's custom software like the free TbT navigation is going to be a huge selling point.
If customers are wiling to trade the ferrari WP7 specs and downgrade a SA+ screen to a regular Amoled screen (uuuhhhhh... why!?!?!?), they do get a lot of return for the trade.
If they would have said it was a super amoled or SA+ screen I'd say it was the clear winner, even without the better internal hardware.
55. Stoli89 (Posts: 333; Member since: 28 Jun 2010)
Well, Nokia's CBD screen tech compares very favorably to SA+.
38. weirdfisher (Posts: 51; Member since: 31 Mar 2011)
Actually...real Nokia fans don't give a s**t on nokia's windows phones
We like Meego not Mango
39. Mobile-X-Pert (Posts: 565; Member since: 20 Dec 2010)
Yeah, I like Meego too, the problem is that developers are not interested in developing apps for Meego.
42. Glim12808 (Posts: 393; Member since: 26 Oct 2011)
Unfortunately, Meego is dead. There are no developers interested in it. So my condolences to you. Mango on the other hand has a lot of buzz over it at the moment so developers are taking notice. There's more future for Nokia with Mango than Meego. Again, my condolences to you.
44. weirdfisher (Posts: 51; Member since: 31 Mar 2011)
LOL you don't have to
i'll just stick with my n9 till it wont work, or maybe getting a new one thats really over n9 imo in a couple of yrs
45. Mobile-X-Pert (Posts: 565; Member since: 20 Dec 2010)
hey have you got the N9?? How do you like it so far?
46. darac (Posts: 2156; Member since: 17 Oct 2011)
Who cares, I haven't waited for their phones at all.
Why not, for example, go for the stylish, reliable, beautiful xperia arc that looks better than this 800, has the same processor, a much larger screen, it's thinner, lighter, runs latest android AND costs 40 percent less!??!
Or, for about the same price, a DROID RAZR, or HTC Resound?
47. jackhammeR (Posts: 1548; Member since: 17 Oct 2011)
Your needs are unreasonable and don't meet your really expectations. You don't even know what are those dual cores for.
Can you explain how you utilize all this power in daily basis? I doubt.
You're buying it because sammy/moto/htc says so. You NEED DUAL CORE. that's andro reality.
You don't want to consider new Nokia phones as a high end because they don't have dual cores.
Dual core is not a necessity for being high end device. if win 7 running smoothly on snapdragon chipset, why they should insert dual cores. For better sheets comparison?
I tell you why this is a high end device
1. Great camera. Still pictures and videos. Show me andro phones with so good pictures quality. And don't tell me about 1080p because right now, this is more marketing than real quality.
2. Standard. Great sound quality.
3. Build quality. I'm sorry but most of andro phones (mainly from sammy looks like cr&* and feel like a cr&*. I don't care if it is durable or not. Looks like cheap toys from China.
4. Massive storage and OTG.
5. You can't be picky when it comes to display. It has the same res as your precious S II but smaller size so higher picsel density. And Nokia's Amoleds and CBD are really good.
6. FREE MAPS. Moreover, GREAT MAPS. That's an app which is really handful.
7. Front camera? Not everyone needs that. yeah. Argument like I would be some androfan or applefan. But, honestly. This is a gadget.
8 I suppose it will have good battery life.
9. Preliminary test show that those handsets have really good performance when it comes to web browsing. It doesn't require dual cores power. It is smooth and trouble free.
10. Nokia has unique design and great build quality. The only company (maybe with Moto) which know how to experimenting and creating sth fresh, new and with "WOW" factor.
10. Nokia is doing it slowly. They probably want to recover their market share starting from a little bit lower segment and get familiarize with Win 7. When they get used to, they will start selling really high end devices. They've announced phones (apollo software) with LTE and dualcores. So it looks like they want to stay in the game and they take it really seriously.
What is so much better is andro that you love it so much and hate Nokia/MS partnership?
I remember when most of phone users were complaining about sammy's phones. What a sh%^ and so on so on. And look how does it look like today?
49. gtrxman (Posts: 122; Member since: 10 Sep 2011)
Why do you feel it necessary to tell someone what their needs are? Fact is, chip manufacturers are driving the dual core and now quad core revolution, not Android. Simply put, a dual core chip is more efficient than a single core and is able to run multiple tasks more efficiently. Technology marches on. Hardware gets better, software utilizes it. Software demands more power and hardware is improved. That's just how it goes.
I've given up on MS since Windows Mobile 6.5. Utter garbage and then abandoned. Why would I have any faith that Windows Phone won't be orphaned. MS has only 1% of market share and this phone certainly won't add much to that number.
50. jackhammeR (Posts: 1548; Member since: 17 Oct 2011)
I'm not telling anyone to do sth. I don't give a damn. Not my business.
In my opinion, most of customers have too high expectations because of marketing.
When Android was introduced some while ago, it was like tiny, ugly bug. Now look at it.
So argument that MS and Windows don't have any chance is simply put, ignorance.
51. jackhammeR (Posts: 1548; Member since: 17 Oct 2011)
Yes. Revolution. But can you tell me, honestly, do manufacturers use full hardware power (I'm talking about dual cores)? I think not. So is there any reason behind introducing quad cores?
Sorry, but android starting remind me....windows in pc version.
Bigger, slower and with bigger apetite for resources.
52. SemperFiV12 (Posts: 905; Member since: 09 Nov 2010)
People often do not have perception of the global market... Matter of fact they barely think outside the local region theyre from. This holds especially true for Americans. The bigger is better mentality still has not changed from our national persona (think highways, buildings, cars, televisions... and now phones).
Therefore when a mild spec'ed phone comes out... we are not impressed. What we don't seem to want to understand is that bigger does not always mean better. WP has fluidity that Android has not been able to match even with amazing specs.
Nokia made the right, in my opinion, decision to deliver a reliable and solid unit. Something that it will be able to sell to the masses. For example if you were a company and were only able to build one model to fit all the people, what would you make (case in point: Apple iPhone). Once you go over the top in a few areas you go into specialty zones - smaller market.
Nokia has the ability to come out with an expensive "hero" device, but it doesn't want to scare off other milder consumers initially. This is a great device to get the foot in the door globally. So was it worth? I guess it depends on where you live and what type of consumer you are, but I dont expect registered users of PA, let alone the writers, to be blown away.
56. bayhuy (Posts: 319; Member since: 23 Jun 2011)
So....Microsoft paid 8.5 billion to acquire Skype, and then - 1 billion to Nokia to build "Windows" phone...and Nokia didn't include FF camera?
If I were Ballmer, I would break the durable and polycarbonate casing of this phone in the head of Elop, to see what's stronger - his head or the phone...
57. MobileTx (Posts: 5; Member since: 17 Sep 2011)
Waste Of Money !!!!!!!!!! to Buy this Useless Phone..