Nokia Lumia 920 has already lost the price wars: HTC Windows Phone 8X, Samsung Galaxy S III much more affordable
Why didn’t Nokia announce its partners and could the culprit lie in the price? Lastly, we learned that Nokia has chosen a shocking price tag for its Lumia 920. Surprisingly, Nokia thought it is adequate to sell its flagship for as much as 25% more than the Samsung Galaxy S III, widely considered a benchmark for high-end Android smartphones.
So far only Apple manages to get away with pricing its iPhone way above the competition at 679 euros for the basic 16GB iPhone 5 model.
Interestingly, the equally (if not more) visually exciting HTC Windows Phone 8X with very similar characteristics to the Lumia 920 costs nearly 100 euro ($130) less than the Lumia 920. HTC is adequately estimating the shortcomings of Windows Phone like its weaker ecosystem and is pricing its device to sell, almost on par with the mid-range Nokia Lumia 820.
1. No_Nonsense (Posts: 826; Member since: 17 Aug 2012)
Lumia 920 has more features than the 8X. LEt's see what all:
Super-sensitive screen: Check
Higher resolution and slightly bigger screen: Check
Excellent camera: Check
Nokia's exclusive apps: Check
And comparing the 920 to a 6 month old S3. huh?
4. wendygarett (unregistered)
Wow sgs3 price drop so drastically in 6 mth... It suppose to be same price with iPhone, not?
14. Rkiller (Posts: 6; Member since: 05 Apr 2012)
Yes the S3 was supposed to be at the same price as the iphone, but this is a market strategy from Samsung in order to sell more and more of its high end devices. And it worked very well for the S2 in the past. Considering iphone, well we still have to wait and see what are the results. Btw this is a bad move from nokia. The Lumia 920 is such a great device but W8 is not quite famous yet everywhere. This can turn out to be a failure when HTC is selling good w8 smartphones too.
60. PhenomFaz (Posts: 1059; Member since: 26 Sep 2012)
OK I had been praising Nokia all along and saying in every crelated comment that they should get the price right.
Well Nokia just shot itself in the foot!
Talk about stupid! moronic! and totally full of $hit!
Nokia likes RIM a lot and that's whay they are going to be wiped out sooner than later. I mean what kind of a hogwash price is this?
Nokia had become like RIM releasing outdated symbian phones with a premium price tag even when android had become the rage!
Theyy are so full in their heads that they just cant see reason. I mean we arent asking thee phone for dirt cheap but a reasonable price wouldn't be so hard Nokia!
Looks like its going to be Sammy's ATIV S for me!
Goodbye and good riddence Nokia...to banruptcy and oy yeah let the door smack your butt on the way out!
5. FoneAddict (Posts: 161; Member since: 05 Jul 2011)
Nokia have yet to build trust with the market place since going with MS, This is why charging these extremely high prices is a strategic disaster. Nokia don't have the brand recognition and loyalty that Apple does. They should have undercut the opposition (Samsung S3) in price.
Total fail for Nokia and not surprising really when Nokia is led by Stephen Elop who represents the epitome of incompetence.
7. Berzerk000 (Posts: 3503; Member since: 26 Jun 2011)
A super-sensitive screen that will be drain battery very quickly;
The 8X has a higher pixel density, though it doesn't really matter because they're both over 300 ppi. Screen size is a matter of preference and is not a feature.
Of course it has an excellent camera, it's Nokia. Not to say the 8X's camera is bad, but still.
There are only 13 exclusive Nokia apps I believe, Maps and Drive being the most useful ones.
12. No_Nonsense (Posts: 826; Member since: 17 Aug 2012)
While the Lumia 920 and Lumia 820 both enjoy super sensitive touch, the firmware has been configured to avoid accidental activation of the display. In testing this has not proven to be an issue or to cause unwanted battery drainage.
What has been configured to stop it happening?
The firmware requires a ‘landing event’ to move into active mode and without a repeat of that landing event will eventually return into sleep mode.
15. Stoli89 (Posts: 333; Member since: 28 Jun 2010)
This false information campaign on the part of PHONEARENA needs to be called out. There is absolutely no evidence and pure conjecture on the part of PHONEARENA with respect to this so called super sensitive screen tech causing battery drain. NO EVIDENCE. In addition, NOKIA has already come out with official statements by its engineers to the contrary. This site is a travesty when it comes to reporting facts.
29. shadez10 (Posts: 381; Member since: 15 Jan 2012)
agree... false informations are floating around in phonearena... =D
9. JaqenHghar (Posts: 11; Member since: 08 Jun 2012)
You forget the Wireless Charging.
Lumia 920 is way better than sgs3 and one x.
23. ElektronicGeek91 (Posts: 105; Member since: 26 Sep 2012)
This phone is not even compared to the iPhone but yet you compare it with the GS3...please bro, your talking about a NOKIA LUMIA 920 remember that.
85. applesauce (banned) (Posts: 165; Member since: 26 Aug 2012)
IPhone is a joke. The Lumia 800 and 710 are better than that thing. The 900 is arguably better than them because of the larger screen and LTE capability, which apple JUST caught up with. 920 creams the iPhone, and takes its place at the top of the heap with the ATIV, WP8X, and upcoming GS4.
36. maverick786us (Posts: 111; Member since: 20 Apr 2012)
Except for Quad core and bigger screen size. I don't see SGS3 have anything better than Lumia 920. I can list numerous features that Lumia has over SGS3
1) Superior camera in not only in terms of one feature but several features
2) Superior screen
3) Nokia Drive+
4) Nokia City Lens
5) Wireless charging
6) Premium material used which is almost scratch proof compared to cheap plastic used by Galaxy ( I was surprised when I saw a video in which Lumia 900 was used for nailing)
7) Better build quality
8) Better Call quality
9) Dual speakers
10) Windows 8 is always smooth compared to battery hog androids
40. shadez10 (Posts: 381; Member since: 15 Jan 2012)
gotta agree... the call quality on my GS2 even with noise cancelling mic is just average... unlike nokia smartphones... really great call quality...
21. lubba (Posts: 1309; Member since: 17 Jan 2011)
Add wireless charging accessories and other accessories totaling up to $1000 = check
46. ahmed_ali_yossef2010 (Posts: 154; Member since: 26 Jul 2012)
no one would buy a windows phone mobile for that price
48. zippolite28 (Posts: 100; Member since: 28 Sep 2012)
no one why ?? there are many other WP8 phones comming and i will give a try
72. NokiaLumia920 (Posts: 28; Member since: 29 Sep 2012)
Only you won't buy, go back to your low end Android plz..
109. haseebzahid (Posts: 1762; Member since: 22 Feb 2012)
i will :P when it comes down
it has stunninng features unlike iphone which comes with nothing special stll priced more then this one so i say this is still better then iphone as it has the tech no other phone offers
51. myclevername (Posts: 93; Member since: 07 Jun 2010)
Don't forget wireless charging and NFC
52. darac (Posts: 2156; Member since: 17 Oct 2011)
International GS3 over Lumia920:
- More capable processor: check
- Bigger screen:check
- much slimmer and lighter:check
- expandable storage:check
- removable battery:check
- way superior ecosystem:check
- way more customizable UI and OS: check
- MORE AFFORDABLE: check
130. maverick786us (Posts: 111; Member since: 20 Apr 2012)
I think having such a slim body like GS2 & 3 makes the grip very difficult. While taking photographs its very difficult to hold it. On the other hand Lumia 920 is designed in such a way that it is comfortable to hold. Another drawback of being slim is compromise in audio quality. iPhone 5's audio quality is lower than iPhone 4S
79. IHateApple (banned) (Posts: 122; Member since: 26 Sep 2012)
Two Words:- Sayonara Nokia! You will be bought by Microsoft just like Google bought Motorola. Because at this price, competition will say: GTFO!
84. applesauce (banned) (Posts: 165; Member since: 26 Aug 2012)
Don't forget wireless charging and OIS, that tech isn't necessarily cheap. I expect the 820 to be the volume phone, and the 920 to be the excellent-but-possibly-fewer-sold flagship. If the 920 comes in $200 on contract, it'll do just fine, especially if the ATIV S and WP8X are priced the same. Customer sees all three side by side, and can make their preferred choice.
101. xtremesv (Posts: 180; Member since: 21 Oct 2011)
The comparison with the Galaxy S3 is just right. The problem with the new Lumias is they're late as everything Nokia has released in the last two years. WP8 must be breathtaking if they really wanna eat a piece of the cake but as I see it M$ had it all and was too lazy to see it coming, Android is the new Windows for the mobile industry.
111. TROLL (banned) (Posts: 4851; Member since: 13 Apr 2012)
But it's still Dual-core, no Quadcore!
2. MicroNokia (Posts: 15; Member since: 18 May 2012)
Well u dont get all those awesome Lumia 920 features for cheap!!!
although the pricing should be slightly less... but i think higher prices are justified..
37. maverick786us (Posts: 111; Member since: 20 Apr 2012)
Eventually the prices will go down within months of release
80. IHateApple (banned) (Posts: 122; Member since: 26 Sep 2012)
I hope so. I really want to see Nokia at top again.
53. myclevername (Posts: 93; Member since: 07 Jun 2010)
Here in the states the biggest Christmas shopping day and sales day in the 5th Friday in November. Black Friday. I'm sure the Lumia 920 will be on sale then.
3. rishabh876 (Posts: 8; Member since: 17 Sep 2012)
i want to buy it, i hope the prie was lower although this price is justified with the features it offer as compare to s3 and iphone 5
6. pongkie (Posts: 491; Member since: 20 Aug 2011)
i'll just buy a baseball bat and wack someone with a lumia 920
8. ElektronicGeek91 (Posts: 105; Member since: 26 Sep 2012)
I don't care what nobody says but that Nokia phone is not on the same boat with the Galaxy S3 or the IPhone 5. Technology is to the point where you even have a IPhone or a Galaxy. Nokia is no match I'm sorry.
18. PowTheBowl (Posts: 65; Member since: 19 Apr 2012)
The iPhone's specs are for a mid-range Android phone and you call that great technology? At least the SGS3 and the Nokia Lumia 920 have NFC, but the NL920 stands out at Wireless Charging and the PureView Camera. That's what you call "Technology".
20. ElektronicGeek91 (Posts: 105; Member since: 26 Sep 2012)
C'mon bro all this hype over a wireless charger and a camera? Those are the least specs and accessories I can care less about. I hardly use the camera on my phone anyways and i have no problem charging my phone the way I do. That phone is not convenient in any way as far as features and its running off windows. Cmon now. I'm sorry but it don't match up to a Galaxy phone. And c'mon it's " Nokia" .....Nokia? ...really? Wake up.
30. StreetNerd (Posts: 698; Member since: 08 Dec 2010)
Nokia?....rly? wake up??? lol i could say the same bout Motorola...
do they still exist? :P not here anyways the last moto i saw was 7 years ago :')
113. TROLL (banned) (Posts: 4851; Member since: 13 Apr 2012)
There kinda fading away... They have stopet making Nseries phone! Lumia isn't selling well and i believe it won't, another fail by Stephen Eflop. He needs to be Fired right now or else Nokia will be like BB.
35. shadez10 (Posts: 381; Member since: 15 Jan 2012)
the real innovation is the iSight camera of apple right?..
the one that produces Pink hues even you dont want them...
W0W! thats what i call innovation.. LOL!..
94. bucky (Posts: 1199; Member since: 30 Sep 2009)
Cool your horses he is talking about the galaxy. Which he is most certainly right about. Don't buy this phone on lunch day and give it about 2 weeks. They will be on sale everywhere.
42. lubba (Posts: 1309; Member since: 17 Jan 2011)
agree in some points. Wireless charge not a big deal. Camera in some ways yes because of social network. IPhone praised for its camera. Convenient, what do you need in a smart phone? It has social built in, built in Skype, music and other unknown features coming. WP very secure than Android. Most things are built in as i stated. No to go through of confusing options as in Android and pick what you want. Which the majority of consumers have little clue what those options are. I know cuz wife has Android. Believe me good thing coming out of Android is Flash and nothing more. Productivity is limited aside for galaxy note but it samsungs UI not Android.
86. applesauce (banned) (Posts: 165; Member since: 26 Aug 2012)
Good point, and Flash isn't even being supported anymore anyway
124. Peter27 (Posts: 233; Member since: 13 Jul 2012)
wireless charge not a big deal when it comes from Nokia, but I can see if it came from iPhone how everyone would be talking about it and melting.
such a hypocrites
10. amihk (Posts: 13; Member since: 04 Sep 2012)
I'm a fan of windows phone and want Nokia to succeed, but there's no way I would pay anything close to (not to mention above) the price of a Galaxy SIII or iPhone 5. This is a 3rd place OS ecosystem with fewer apps , and let's not forget that early Lumia 800 and 900 buyers are feeling burned. I think they need a reality check if this is their pricing strategy. Seems it's time to take a more serious look at the HTC 8X.
88. applesauce (banned) (Posts: 165; Member since: 26 Aug 2012)
App count is pointless. I don't need 30 variations of a WiFi finder, or 50 apps for wallpaper, or fart apps. Windows Phone's market is refined and efficient, and also the apps are better made AND more reliable because there's less fragmentation in the realm of screen sizes and resolutions. Android is good, and very capable, but don't go trying to point out a non-issue because you're insecure about your own preferred OS. Good competition is a good thing.
97. amihk (Posts: 13; Member since: 04 Sep 2012)
My last phone was a Lumia 800 and I recall finding plenty of lousy apps within the Windows marketplace's already limited selection. At the same time, there were many popular apps on other platforms that were not available to WP7.5. The biggest issue of all was the lack of VPN support, and it's still not clear if this will be included in WP8, though one would expect it. Moreover, the Lumia 800 had a lot of early issues - lousy battery life, poor photo quality, missing Nokia Drive/Maps... all of which were gradually resolved with software updates, but it was a painful first few months. Despite all this, I STILL wanted a Lumia 920 because I basically like Windows Phone and was willing to trade down from the Google & Apple product/service universe that I use more regularly to give the new Microsoft ecosystem a try. But if this ends up costing anything close to the iPhone 5 price-level, then forget about it... logic must prevail. As I said, optical image stabilisation, wireless charging, a touchscreen that works with gloves... these are all cool extras that might increase the appeal of going with a less proven ecosystem, but at the end of the day these features are just bells and whistles that I don't want to pay a lot more for. Some die hard Windows Phone/Nokia fans might win the online debate about product merits, but higher pricing is not going to win over consumers in the real world. A shame because the 920 did seem to be a product with merit.
112. haseebzahid (Posts: 1762; Member since: 22 Feb 2012)
so all of ur comment suggests that wireless charning new screen Tech new Camera Tech should come for free with 0 added cost good idea but i dont think even you would want to sell anything for free
moving to Iphones offers nothing but more same old stuff and cash eating apps still most guys say iPhoe is right priced but this one is not well then ignorace can stay in the darkest holes of earth where Apple controls the brains
13. JaqenHghar (Posts: 11; Member since: 08 Jun 2012)
Of course it will be higher price. It is superior to those other phones.
Very stupid article.
22. StreetNerd (Posts: 698; Member since: 08 Dec 2010)
but will it gain marketshare?
like the article stated.... nokia's brand is devalued... most ppl will go for an iphoney with that price tag, coz most ppl dont care bout specs they just want an iphone -_-
28. JaqenHghar (Posts: 11; Member since: 08 Jun 2012)
i agree that people mostly are like sheep and dying to get an iphone.
By the way: Nokia s brand name is not devalued, its market value is devalued. People are still trusting Nokia. And Nokia have a lot of fans over the world.
And i don't think that Nokia s position is irreversible. I will go for a Lumia 920 this time.
32. StreetNerd (Posts: 698; Member since: 08 Dec 2010)
Lots of fans in asia yes
last year when nokia came with Lumia 800 i remember alot of americans were tweeting: "Nokia?! are the still making phones?"
so yea nokia has no name in the states....
38. JaqenHghar (Posts: 11; Member since: 08 Jun 2012)
It is not a game changer. US market is not the biggest smartphone market in the world any more.
56. dickwyn (Posts: 543; Member since: 07 May 2012)
yeah and WP has a very good market share in china
67. No_Nonsense (Posts: 826; Member since: 17 Aug 2012)
By what means is US the entire world? Stop daydreaming
61. LumiaLover (Posts: 160; Member since: 27 Sep 2012)
On paper it's superior, but we have to wait for the official testing before making any kind of judgement.
I am longing for the Lumia 920, but my carrier in the UK will not be offering it at launch, so I may have a tough decision to make on December 21st, when I'm due to upgrade.
I am hoping that by then the EE exclusivity will have expired, and the 920 will be available on 3 for a fair price.
I am however reserving any judgement until the phone has been properly tested and reviewed. The HTC 8X looks like a nice phone with some good features, but the bezel is just too big at a time when manufacturers are striving for minimal bezel.
The Samsung Ativ S will be a good phone but it's basically the same as the GS3.
Another consideration is the introduction of Blackberry 10, which looks very interesting from early videos.
I should get back to the point really...loads of good stuff out there, but the reviews will tell us whether or not Nokia has the correct pricing strategy.