Nexus 8 is real, powered by Tegra processor, and is coming during Google I/O
But according to MYCE, there is a Nexus 8 coming, and it is going to be pretty soon when the new 8 inch slate is revealed. The computer community site noted that it had been the recipient of several posts related to a device test named "flounder" which fits in with Google's use of fish names as code names for Nexus devices. It also dovetails perfectly with the use of the word "flounder" recently found in Google code, that might have tipped us to an HTC produced Nexus 8.
Google has removed all traces of the flounder name used in previous posts on the computer community site. More recent references are made about a Tegra processor to be used with the tablet. One post mentions that the device will be powered by a 64-bit CPU.
So with any luck, we could see the long-awaited Nexus 8 tablet, driven by a 6finally unveiled by the end of next month. More precisely, Google I/O will take place on June 25th and 26th this year
Thanks for the tip, Jan!
1. UglyFrank (Posts: 327; Member since: 23 Jan 2014)
This could be the big news we've been waiting for, 64Bit + Android 5.0 & a super powerful processor backing it all up
5. Arte-8800 (limited) (Posts: 3086; Member since: 13 Mar 2014)
If this is the Tegra5 every Cpu Oems will be introuble, accept Exynos
9. Berzerk000 (Posts: 3865; Member since: 26 Jun 2011)
The correct name is Tegra K1. They didn't want to name it Tegra 5 because it's not a linear upgrade, it was too big of an upgrade for it to get the plain name of Tegra 5.
10. sgodsell (Posts: 873; Member since: 16 Mar 2013)
All the other OEMS are not in trouble. Qualcomm, mediatek rockchip, and more have 64bit CPUs coming out. Some like Qualcomm have the 410 which they have already been sending out samples. Full production will happen in the second half. The same holds true for mediatek.
12. Arte-8800 (limited) (Posts: 3086; Member since: 13 Mar 2014)
The E5422 is the only soc right know with 22nm
If that Cpu was used on the S5 at the same speed as the S805 at 2.7ghz , do you realize what the speed and heavy pulling pushing torque and power it would posses
24. Berzerk000 (Posts: 3865; Member since: 26 Jun 2011)
The Exynos 5422 is used in the Galaxy S5 and is 28nm. If it was at 2.7 GHz, the only thing that would keep it from melting would be it not having any power due to it draining your battery. Each CPU has it's own advantages.
Krait 400/450 achieve insane frequencies while still having manageable heat and power consumption, but has less performance than A15 at the same clock speed.
Cortex A15 has great performance for it's relatively low clock speed, but it's very inefficient and gets hot quickly, so ARM needed to bind it with Cortex A7 to offset the workload and keep it from draining your battery and burning your hand.
27. Arte-8800 (limited) (Posts: 3086; Member since: 13 Mar 2014)
It's used on the Note Neo and states 22nm
35. true1984 (Posts: 582; Member since: 23 May 2012)
no, the one in the neo is a hexacore, 2 a15s 4 a7s. that is not the 5422, so you're wrong
54. Berzerk000 (Posts: 3865; Member since: 26 Jun 2011)
The Note 3 Neo uses the Exynos 5260 with 2 A15 cores and 4 A7 cores, and it is 28nm.
29. Arte-8800 (limited) (Posts: 3086; Member since: 13 Mar 2014)
Krait 400.450 overclocked A9, thats why it does not drain battery like A15s at 2.7
15. InspectorGadget80 (Posts: 6116; Member since: 26 Mar 2011)
We don't know if it will have 5.0 so just wait till GOOGLE I/O.
33. arenanew (Posts: 132; Member since: 30 Dec 2013)
can it perform like laptop or high end pc . crap only for browsing u spend so much crap google .
36. axarm (Posts: 1; Member since: 30 Oct 2013)
If this is a 64-bit tablet and will be available this year, it will not be using the Tegra K1. The K1 that is shipping this summer is based on A15's(which are 32-bit). The 64-bit K1(based on A57) will not be available till next year as it will use the 20nm process.(Qualcomm has confirmed it will not be shipping 20nm processors this year because of the lack of 20nm production).
The only 64-bit processors being sold this year are Apple A's and Intel's Atoms. The rumor mill has come full circle as it began this year with the rumor Intel would power the new Nexus 8.
49. renz4 (Posts: 202; Member since: 10 Aug 2013)
nvidia 64 bit tegra K1 is most likely based on TSMC 28nm HPM just like the 32 bit one. no official spec for the 64 bit one yet from nvidia. even on nvidia site they only mention specs for 32 bit TK1:
but i believe 64 bit TK1 will use 28nm because nvidia did show working 64 bit TK1 running android (then they run CPU-Z program to prove the chip was indeed 64 bit) on january at CES. that's mean they already design 64bit TK1 using current 28nm process.
2. androtaku (Posts: 154; Member since: 12 Dec 2013)
tegra?i thought nvidia pull out the mobile market? or is it just the smartphone
4. Berzerk000 (Posts: 3865; Member since: 26 Jun 2011)
Texas Instruments pulled their OMAP series out of the mobile market.
11. sgodsell (Posts: 873; Member since: 16 Mar 2013)
You can still get omap processors. Beaglebone blacks can still be purchased.
16. 0xFFFF (Posts: 1980; Member since: 16 Apr 2014)
Nvidia pulled out of what they called the "mainstream mobile market". This likely includes most phones, most tablets. The Tegra K1 takes a fair amount of power, so it is basically a tablet chip. Performance is excellent and having the K1 available in a Nexus help developers gain experience with the Kepler GPU that is in the K1.
Only question I am wondering about is whether it will be the two core K1 or the 4 core K1.
17. Arte-8800 (limited) (Posts: 3086; Member since: 13 Mar 2014)
Hope it's 8 core K1ultra immense blistering super performance
18. androtaku (Posts: 154; Member since: 12 Dec 2013)
i only concern how long nvidia will provide driver support for their processor
i don't remember which device but in that case, the manufacturer cannot roll out new firmware because nvidia doesn't provide the necessary driver for their chipset
38. Shatter (Posts: 1957; Member since: 29 May 2013)
The K1's software is open source, Nvidia finally learned from their past mistakes.
52. renz4 (Posts: 202; Member since: 10 Aug 2013)
for nexus device that might not much of a problem. the original N7 still updated to latest version of android
20. grahaman27 (Posts: 345; Member since: 05 Apr 2013)
if its the 64bit denver K1, this will be the most efficient chip developed yet. the denver architecture is vastly superior to ARM's vanilla architecture. EIther way this is terrific news for nvidia.
unfortunately, I believe it will be the 32bit version, hopefully I am wrong.
22. 0xFFFF (Posts: 1980; Member since: 16 Apr 2014)
It is most likely the 4 (+1) core version of the K1. But this is no shabby chip. Just not 64-bit.
I've posted this link before, but it is a good read for those who haven't paged through it before.
28. Arte-8800 (limited) (Posts: 3086; Member since: 13 Mar 2014)
No Oems are pushing the straight A15 quadcores on phones
I would really love to own a A15 quadcore phone at 2.7ghz
37. sgodsell (Posts: 873; Member since: 16 Mar 2013)
The real benefit from a A15 is hardware virtualization. So running multiple OS's would be fast on the A15.
47. TylerGrunter (Posts: 859; Member since: 16 Feb 2012)
I love that one (in fact I read it before you posted it), but I'm really looking forward the one with GPU comparison.
I am really curious if Tegra K1 can beat the AMD APUs.
It would put AMD in a really bad postion then, a chip with an under 10W TDP beating their 25W TDP chips.
And probably it's also cheaper.
48. renz4 (Posts: 202; Member since: 10 Aug 2013)
because nvidia never said they are going to pull themselves from mobile space. they just said that they won't go after much for mainstream device especially phones where stuff like LTE really matters. during the latest earning nvidia mentions that tegra focus is automotive, android gaming and product differentiation. most android device still on smartphones and tablet. if they want to promote android gaming device like shield will not be enough. they still need tablet for that purpose. that's why they make something like Tegra Note 7. also if nvidia pulling out from mobile we are not going to see more tegra roadmap from nvidia. just like their chipset business. nvidia only confirm the death of their chipset division after long silence without any new product in the market
7. Berzerk000 (Posts: 3865; Member since: 26 Jun 2011)
Nexus 8 running Android 5.0 equipped with the Tegra K1 with Denver cores. It sounds glorious. Can't wait until Google I/O!
13. Arte-8800 (limited) (Posts: 3086; Member since: 13 Mar 2014)
Tegra K1 Gpu at 800+gigaflops, along with A15 clusters A57 64bit at 3.0ghz at 22 or 19nm intel i3 power
25. Berzerk000 (Posts: 3865; Member since: 26 Jun 2011)
The Tegra K1 GPU is rated at a peak of 365 GFLOPS. That's at maximum frequency while still being stable, but will probably be less in consumer products to save battery life. Though I doubt it would go under 300. And the 64 bit version doesn't use Cortex A57, it uses a custom architecture Nvidia named Project Denver that has a max clock speed of 2.5 GHz.
26. grahaman27 (Posts: 345; Member since: 05 Apr 2013)
yeah arte is full of it. look at every comment from him.
45. StraightEdgeNexus (Posts: 2583; Member since: 14 Feb 2014)
Yeah he just boasts crap, knows nothing bout SoCs. Power user wannabe.
30. Arte-8800 (limited) (Posts: 3086; Member since: 13 Mar 2014)
8X K1 Gpus, not 2 or 4, clocked at 1600mhz Lpddr4 Ram
59. renz4 (Posts: 202; Member since: 10 Aug 2013)
honestly i'm not sure if nvidia will ever jump to octa core bandwagon.
23. 0xFFFF (Posts: 1980; Member since: 16 Apr 2014)
Take the Samsung TabPro 8.4 with its 2560x1600 screen, add the K1 and a bit more battery, and that would be a very nice tablet.
41. KingKurogiii (Posts: 5536; Member since: 23 Oct 2011)
oh yeah, i already know i'm getting this bad boy and my Nexus 7 will be going to the gf.
8. ckoch125 (Posts: 187; Member since: 29 Oct 2012)
Hopefully it performs better than the Tegra 3 in the nexus 7 original
14. Shatter (Posts: 1957; Member since: 29 May 2013)
The K1 is better than the Snapdragon 805.
21. grahaman27 (Posts: 345; Member since: 05 Apr 2013)
the K1 is both a beast in performance and very efficient, perhaps google has noticed this as well.
51. renz4 (Posts: 202; Member since: 10 Aug 2013)
of course it will. it will be even faster compared to T4
19. protozeloz (Posts: 5367; Member since: 16 Sep 2010)
Hope this baby is well priced, and I may have a new toy
32. networkdood (Posts: 6244; Member since: 31 Mar 2010)
Cool, you guys (and gals) think I should upgrade my Nexus 7 (2012) tablet when this comes out? I am thinking of asking "Santa Claus" for this puppy....
34. arenanew (Posts: 132; Member since: 30 Dec 2013)
can it perform like laptop or high end pc . crap only for browsing u spend so much crap google
39. Shatter (Posts: 1957; Member since: 29 May 2013)
No mobile device is even close to even a mid range desktop. High end would be hexa core i7s and 290(X)s/780(ti)s. Mid range: i5s/quad core i7s and Gpus $400 and under.
An i5 out performs an a15 with using just one core.
42. 0xFFFF (Posts: 1980; Member since: 16 Apr 2014)
Given all its limitations, I find it surprising that the K1 comes close to an i3 in a few tests:
This seems to bode well for the future ARM chips from Nvidia (and AMD).
57. Berzerk000 (Posts: 3865; Member since: 26 Jun 2011)
That's a low power mobile version of a 32nm i3 that's at 2 GHz. It's not even close to the desktop class 22nm 3+ GHz Core i3s around right now. I doubt ARM chips will ever reach the performance of Intel or AMD's offerings, even if it's compared to a decent laptop, much less a desktop PC.
46. StraightEdgeNexus (Posts: 2583; Member since: 14 Feb 2014)
Tablets=/=laptops. And first learn english.
40. aayupanday (Posts: 450; Member since: 28 Jun 2012)
This one's gotta be the 64-bit Dual Core Denver.
44. 0xFFFF (Posts: 1980; Member since: 16 Apr 2014)
Unless Nvidia pulled a rabbit out of the hat, no Denver until 2015.
53. TylerGrunter (Posts: 859; Member since: 16 Feb 2012)
The timeline says September this year, so we can always hope for some gadgets with Denver before the Holidays.
56. 0xFFFF (Posts: 1980; Member since: 16 Apr 2014)
I heard there were delays caused by 20nm manufacturing issues, so Denver slipped to 2015.
58. renz4 (Posts: 202; Member since: 10 Aug 2013)
so far there is no confirmation that denver will use 20nm node from TSMC. nvidia already demo working dual denver back in january. so it is most likely to use the same process as quad K1.
60. TylerGrunter (Posts: 859; Member since: 16 Feb 2012)
Denver is most likely 28nm, as it´s still the same Tegra K1, the one you refer to it´s probably Tegra M1.
So the 20nm manufacturing should not be an issue for Denver cores.
"Given the 28nm HPM process for Tegra K1, I’d expect that the Denver version is also a 28nm HPM design."
Also in Wikipedia
Do you have any better information?
61. TylerGrunter (Posts: 859; Member since: 16 Feb 2012)
And another one from Anandtech on January:
"It's important to note that the Denver version only comes with two cores ... Given that NVIDIA has silicon back already I suspect this is a 28nm design."
43. roscuthiii (Posts: 1785; Member since: 18 Jul 2010)
If it's 64-bit then I hope for once someone is including the 4GB RAM necessary to reach it's full potential. Until then, I'll wait.