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HTC to Apple on patents: "We have to sit down and figure it out"

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HTC to Apple on patents:
After the separate International Trade Commission rulings in the beginning of the month, HTC is now ready to negotiate some terms of agreement with Apple. The ITC ruled that Apple is violating two S3 Graphics patents regarding compression technologies, whereas HTC was deemed to violate two of Apple's own patents by the same court. HTC acquired S3 Graphics for $300 million not long ago precisely as a patent play against Cupertino.

Now the Taiwanese want to seriously talk it out and move along with life, as per Winston Yung, HTC's Chief Financial Officer: “We have to sit down and figure it out. We’re open to having discussions. We are open to all sorts of solutions, as long as the solution and the terms are fair and reasonable. On and off we’ve had discussions with Apple, even before the initial determination came out.

HTC is already paying royalties to Microsoft for their mobile patents, to the tune of $5 per each Android handset it makes, and it might now have to throw some cash the Apple way too, unless these two tit-for-tat violations mutually destruct in court. If HTC has to pay, we don't know if this will be significant enough to affect HTC's handset prices in some way, or the difference will be negligible enough for the Taiwanese to absorb in their profit margin.

source: Bloomberg

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posted on 26 Jul 2011, 05:51 13

1. kamen (Posts: 94; Member since: 18 Jul 2011)


Nicely played, HTC, with the aquisition of S3 :)

posted on 26 Jul 2011, 06:04 11

2. PhoneLuver (Posts: 481; Member since: 05 Jul 2010)


If only Google would do the same! If Google doesn't do anything to protect manufacturers from lawsuits, and Microsoft, Apple, plus various patent trolls manage to increase the cost of production, manufacturers will reduce and in some cases even stop producing Android handsets should an alternative present itself like WebOS or even Meego.

Android is big, but as Nokia has shown us, nobody is too big to fail!

posted on 26 Jul 2011, 12:27 1

29. theBnakRobber (unregistered)


Google is already in talks to buy another patent company that has over 8,000 patents a lot relating to mobile and data patents. With that said I think Apple raised the price of the Nortel patents to make them all show the fear they have for Google and join together to keep Google from getting it, while all along they were in talks to buy another patent company with double amount of patents. That's a good way to make others pay more money while they were talking with another company on the down low. Google played their hands very well.

posted on 26 Jul 2011, 12:30

30. theBankRobber (unregistered)


Sorry ment Google raised the price on Apple to make the bid more money and show their fear of Google. It only makes sense. If they want it more the Google, make them pay a higher price.

posted on 26 Jul 2011, 06:40 3

4. SuperAndroidEvo (Posts: 4879; Member since: 15 Apr 2011)


Yes other manufacturers are wizening up & are starting to protect themselves from Apple. Apple is blatantly taking everyone to court & the top competition to Apple, like HTC & Samsung are going to protect themselves. This looks like it's going to be a wash & HTC will be able to sell their phones in the United States of America. See Apple two can play at this game!

posted on 26 Jul 2011, 06:23 4

3. Reply (unregistered)


HTC to Apple on patents: "We have to sit down and figure it out"
Apple: "NO!!"

posted on 26 Jul 2011, 10:02 1

15. Heatfan316 (unregistered)


Shut up.

posted on 09 Aug 2011, 17:59

74. Guest (unregistered)


no you shut up! :)

posted on 26 Jul 2011, 06:45 2

5. snowgator (Posts: 3602; Member since: 19 Jan 2011)


No words how annoying the term "patent infringement" is getting. Settle this thing. It is easy to see HTC violated Apple's patents, and pretty clear Apple was violating someone elses. HTC was smart enough to cover itself. So, HTC can set the bar on how to handle Apple. I have no idea if pending lawsuits with Samsung and Motorola are for the same patents, but since Apple will not be able to really get anybody banned from the US market, this will help end all the other crap as well.

I hope.

posted on 26 Jul 2011, 06:49 6

6. dionddc (Posts: 129; Member since: 19 Jul 2011)


Steve Jobs: "Damn."

posted on 26 Jul 2011, 07:51 2

7. dandirk (unregistered)


Google really should be trying to work around the patents. I know apple will.

Patents are pretty messed up, especially for technology. They have to be detailed, then its easy to work around them, but if they are to vague they can lock down whole segments of features/markets.

Would really like to read the patents Applie is accused of infringing on. I know the ones which apple owns are pretty vague, one pretty much covers a single chip that can communicate to multiple types of methods (think multi-function modem). It was pretty complex so I could be off on that. But reading the patent was vague and confusing all at the same time.

The other had to do with creating links on the fly to other subsystems of the phone... aka phone #s open the dialer, address navigation etc... The patent pretty much said it had a server and client component (these can be on same device so don't confuse with internet "server" which scans on screen content and creates links base on "common data" aka phone #, address etc.

The second could possibly be worked around, personally the idea of patenting a essentially a hyperlink to do obvious stuff like dial a # is not really a patent, but all the great inventions are the simple obvious ones (like paper clip).

Also I am confused why dynamic links on site (for ads) doesn't also infringe... maybe it isn't because its not specifically in the patent.


Don't be fooled, just cause a company has a patent doesn't mean they invented it... companies buy patents all the time. All companies do this, to lock down their market or to use the tech royalty free. I think this is just in the news more due to Apple/Android rivalry.

posted on 26 Jul 2011, 08:01 4

8. remixfa (Posts: 14261; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


well hopefully this is the end of the HTC lawsuits. Well played by them... lol

posted on 26 Jul 2011, 08:52 3

9. Sniggly (Posts: 7305; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)


Ball's in Apple's court now.

posted on 26 Jul 2011, 11:22 3

21. iwebdroidberry7 (Posts: 230; Member since: 17 Jan 2011)


What happened to the giant Google protecting HTC and stopping Apples reign of tyranny.

posted on 26 Jul 2011, 14:47 2

40. E.N. (Posts: 2610; Member since: 25 Jan 2009)


I'm wondering the same thing. Probably all talk

posted on 26 Jul 2011, 19:00

52. remixfa (Posts: 14261; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


nothing happens fast in the world of layers and courts.

who knows, maybe google had some influence in this decision.

posted on 26 Jul 2011, 09:02 2

10. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)


Not sure how the trolls are seeing this as a victory for HTC. HTC said they want to work it out which is usually done by the weaker of the two. Also you're all very hypocritical because you're only upset when Apple sues. Where's the outrage at all the other lawsuits including against Apple.

Sniggly I read your little pity party you threw yourself in the other thread. My response is that you should grow a pair and act like a man.

posted on 26 Jul 2011, 09:31 5

11. remixfa (Posts: 14261; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


Or it could be because HTC holds patents that Apple is infringing on and vice versa. Working it out without the courts is always a better answer than sue sue sue sue suuuuuuuuue everyone.

Why would someone be outraged that someone is suing apple now? If apple was a quiet company that didnt sue every one, then they would be outraged. As it is, noone gets mad when the school yard bully get's whats been comming to him.

posted on 26 Jul 2011, 09:47 4

12. Sniggly (Posts: 7305; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)


Okay. Since you obviously lack empathy for anyone who's had it tougher than you in your cream puff world, and you refuse to agree to a truce, fine. I'll be emailing Phonearena by tonight.

It's too bad, really. I hoped you would grow up and start acting like a human f**king being, but you can't even handle that.

posted on 26 Jul 2011, 09:47 1

13. ngo2dd (Posts: 896; Member since: 08 Jul 2011)


Do you have anything better to do then talk s**t about people? You know have is infringing on S3 patient right? This is also a PR move where it is showing HTC is willing to work out a solution, if Apple don't accept it will look back on their part and the public will see that they don't want monopoly.

posted on 26 Jul 2011, 10:00 2

14. Sniggly (Posts: 7305; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)


One more thing, Taco: you don't deserve a single thing you have. How do I know? Because you clearly haven't earned a single thing you have. People who've never had to work for anything they have are the quickest to look down on and jeer at those who have not, because in their perspective, it was so easy for them that everyone should be at their level. So if anyone isn't sharing their ivory tower, then there's clearly something fundamentally wrong with that person.

It's obvious that this is how you think. Good luck to you when the trust fund runs out.

posted on 26 Jul 2011, 11:08 3

18. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)


You're so full of sh*** it's not even funny. You come on here and twist facts around and insult people who use Apple by calling them "disgusting" and freak out if anyone comes back at you. It's laughable that you would write PA that I called you "poor". Go right ahead if you think anyone would care. It just makes you look like a punk who can't stand up for himself. People can call me whatever they want on the internet.


You're not even 10% of what you think you are sniggly. Keep trolling and I'll keep calling you out. Once you stop being a hypocrite and insulting Apple users I'll respond in kind.

posted on 26 Jul 2011, 11:31 4

23. Sniggly (Posts: 7305; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)


That's right, Taco. Keep talking s**t. You'll notice that virtually everyone on this website hates you now, and for good reason.

You have no basis to be playing the victim here. You're a bully and a thug, which you just admitted below. Clearly the kind of -man- sorry, BOY who thinks with his fists instead of his mind.

I do almost pity you, Taco. What's it like to not be loved, to be despised by everyone? What do you want your epitaph to read when you die alone?

posted on 26 Jul 2011, 11:54 2

24. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)


Yes I'm sure you know what my personal life is like. You brought up the fact you'd punch me in the face not me. You're a hypcocrite as usual. I have plenty of love and success in my life. You're the one that throws pity parties for yourself and your failure of a life.

posted on 26 Jul 2011, 12:03 2

25. Sniggly (Posts: 7305; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)


Please. No one who has any happiness would be as bitter as you clearly are.

I "threw my sob story" to illustrate that my experiences have taught me not to look down on those who have less than me, unlikeyou. You've never had to sacrifice or work for anything you have in your supposedly perfect little life. And so it's unsurprising that you lack even a fundamental level of empathy. I called you out and wanted to hit you because of what you were saying to other people on here, not to me.

You're nothing, Taco. Hated by all and hating yourself. You will die lonely, broken and forgotten if you continue down this path, because everyone who gets close enough to you will see how completely ugly you are.

Have fun with that. How's your trust fund?

posted on 26 Jul 2011, 12:34 2

31. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)


But you look down on Apple users because of their phone choice and call them disgusting and sheep. That makes sense.

posted on 26 Jul 2011, 15:22

45. Sniggly (Posts: 7305; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)


It doesn't make sense because I don't express nor hold such opinions, Taco. What does it feel like to be a compulsive liar, Taco? To know that people feel they can't trust a single syllable that escapes your lips?

How does it feel to be all alone? Even Gemini isn't giving any comments of support to you. How does it feel to be abandoned and helpless against the onslaught of truth, which is that you're despised because you're simply an asshole, and not because of some quasi religious conspiracy?

posted on 26 Jul 2011, 17:16

50. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)


So you haven't said Apple users are disgusting? Should I pull it up and prove you're a liar once again? Did you not say you would punch me in the face if we were in person?


You're comments are saved on the internet so lying is pointless you spineless troll.

posted on 26 Jul 2011, 20:03 1

56. Sniggly (Posts: 7305; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)


I said it was disgusting seeing people in the Apple store buying Apple products without even comparison shopping or considering anything else. This was something I already clarified with davecann2.

And yes, I said that if you had made those disgusting jeers at people for not having enough money in my presence, after this long dealing with your horses**t, I would have finally lost my patience and punched you in the face.

Does it suck being this bad at reading comprehension? Does it hurt not doing well in school because you couldn't comprehend the material? I mean, you obviously took your anger out on the world by beating other people up, which you admitted elsewhere.

It's clear you're starved for attention; otherwise, why be so hostile to everyone without reason? So you get attention the only way you know how: by being a brat. But you know all of this; why do I have to tell you?

posted on 26 Jul 2011, 21:15

57. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)


Exactly you're a hypocrite. You said people in Apple stores are disgusting for not comparison shopping you then later said you'd get a Motorola tablet regardless because your loyal to their brand. Then you said you'd punch me in the face and you call me a bully and thug. This despite the fact you bash Apple and it's customers constantly and me never threatening anyone on here while you have both physically and by threatening to report people.


Then you continue to make conclusions about me and insult me while at the same time being outraged when it's done to others. Face you're a spineless troll who thinks really highly of themselves despite having no accomplishments to base it on.

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