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Escalation: U.S. files motion demanding that Apple unlock Farook's iPhone 5c

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Escalation: U.S. files motion demanding that Apple unlock Farook's iPhone 5c
You didn't think that the U.S. government was going to let Apple defy a court order and just drop the matter, did you? ABC News reports this afternoon that the Justice Department is pressing a federal judge to compel Apple to help the FBI unlock the Apple iPhone 5c belonging to Syed Farook.

The terrorist and his wife, Tashfeen Malik, killed 14 people inside a San Bernardino office building on December 2nd. Both were killed in a hail of police bullets during a shootout on the streets of the city the very same day.

Apple has refused to comply with a court order forcing it to unlock Farook's iPhone 5c even though Apple CEO Tim Cook has said that the software to do this does not exist. Essentially, the court order is requesting that Apple build a new version of iOS that allows it to unlock an iPhone and decipher certain encrypted information. The feds have asked Apple to specifically remove the handset's Auto-Erase feature; this safeguard automatically wipes data off of an iPhone after ten incorrect passcode entries. Cook's fear is that if such software were to get into the wrong hands, everyone with an iPhone could be affected, which could give the Apple brand a black eye.

While some have pointed to news reports indicating that since 2008, Apple has helped the feds by unlocking the iPhone at least 70 times, those phones were running iOS 7. In iOS 8 and later, Apple made a change to the operating system which prevents it from unlocking iPhone models.

In a new filing handed into the court today, federal prosecutors wrote, "Rather than assist the effort to fully investigate a deadly terrorist attack by obeying this court's [previous order], Apple has responded by publicly repudiating that order."  Again, it is important to note that there is no proof that Farrok's iPhone contains any of the information that the government is seeking. That includes possible accomplices, future targets of terrorists, and other information that might explain the actions of the married couple on that fateful day.

source: ABCNews

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posted on 19 Feb 2016, 15:26 9

1. CX3NT3_713 (Posts: 2249; Member since: 18 Apr 2011)


I think apple should unlock it for them.. This could bring down more terrorist , or would be ones. Js

posted on 19 Feb 2016, 15:42 14

9. xondk (Posts: 1202; Member since: 25 Mar 2014)


Might have misunderstood you if you meant it as a Joke, but here's the problem
If Apple has a way to do this that, that means your passwords and such are NOT secure, the whole security aspect of the device goes right outside the window. What good is encryption if the key for it isn't secure?
And Apple has a big problem here compared to android, android can be modified in so many ways, various different encryption methods that the users themselves can pick and chose from.
This is not really something you can do on Apple since it defaults to iCloud, sure if the user has the foresight they can forgo iCloud for other options but yeah..
Apple unlocking the phone could very well be a deadly blow to them.

posted on 19 Feb 2016, 17:01 3

32. FluffyBled (Posts: 470; Member since: 10 Sep 2014)


You sure have the right priorities man!

If Apple has a way to do it, then they should definitely do it. If they don't (which I hope is(not) the case), there's "nothing to worry about"!

posted on 20 Feb 2016, 05:30

90. xondk (Posts: 1202; Member since: 25 Mar 2014)


Don't know about my priorities, but yeah, if they create a method to do so, for future updates of iOS they are creating a security hole, if there already exists such specifically to allow access, well yeah, this is something that could cripple Apple.
Should they do it? I honestly don't know, because it again comes back to 'can' they do it. Its going to be an interesting case.

posted on 19 Feb 2016, 17:30 4

34. engineer-1701d (Posts: 3259; Member since: 13 Mar 2014)


no it means the company that made the software by gov force can make a system using how they built it to unlock the 1 phone not all.

posted on 19 Feb 2016, 18:50 4

55. ibend (Posts: 3509; Member since: 30 Sep 2014)


its not like they never unlock any iPhone before this, lol

posted on 19 Feb 2016, 20:42 2

71. greyarea (Posts: 166; Member since: 14 Aug 2015)


It's not like all iphones/ios builds are the same, lol. They unlocked pre ios8 phones. Sorry, it's just not as simple as you'd you like.

posted on 19 Feb 2016, 21:32 3

74. karan1402d (Posts: 42; Member since: 28 May 2015)


Does Apple get funds from terrorists organisation, that it is so reluctant to allow Fed to investigate an convicted Terrorists. No wonder most terrorists now days use Apple devices along with Sat phones. Moreover what the whole fuss about privacy, are people talking against constitution, one's own country that their fear their secrets will be, if not the laws already provide enough security to person's privacy.
Apple promotes Terrorism

posted on 19 Feb 2016, 22:09 5

80. greyarea (Posts: 166; Member since: 14 Aug 2015)


Apple doesn't need/want any money related to terrorism. That accusation alone discredits anything you say. Maybe I need to specify that I have no allegiance to apple, have not owned an apple device since my first computer 20 years ago. In fact one of the reasons I dislike apple is the same reason you accusation is ridiculous. They are one of the top valued brands in the world. They're so huge and have so much capital why would they ever knowing accept money from "terrorists organization".

You promote short sighted thinking.

posted on 20 Feb 2016, 00:36

86. karan1402d (Posts: 42; Member since: 28 May 2015)


Because if they compromise on current security demand of Fed, they would certainly piss off certain would be Terrorists(mind you that's a big number). So it it's true Apple don't get direct funds from terrorists but Terrorists are their potential customers which brings money to them.

posted on 20 Feb 2016, 03:57

88. RoboticEngi (Posts: 583; Member since: 03 Dec 2014)


Yes I totally agree with you. Maybe those people should join ISIS or Al qaida.....

posted on 19 Feb 2016, 16:48 2

27. joevsyou (Posts: 683; Member since: 28 Feb 2015)


bring down who? most terrorist most likely use burners.... you can buy stuff to make bombs in walmart, you can buy guns off of craigslist, Anyone that had ties to him knows the FBI is looking for him so you know they already cut all their ties with him What in the world is it going to solve?

posted on 19 Feb 2016, 17:32 1

35. engineer-1701d (Posts: 3259; Member since: 13 Mar 2014)


yes just the outgoing info stored in the phone like pics and sms will still be in, they track it back to who had that number your have photo from mva and all other info now you get the rest of them and any others thinking they can attack us without consequences

posted on 19 Feb 2016, 18:09 4

50. TechieXP1969 (Posts: 8344; Member since: 25 Sep 2013)


And then risk Apple being a target? Risk stores being bombed?
Risk other Americans more harm?

Risk of the US using such a tool on EVERYONE?

NO!...JUST NO!

posted on 20 Feb 2016, 23:23

95. dirtydirty00 (Posts: 418; Member since: 21 Jan 2011)


I agree!!! If they do this then the US govt might make a day every year that everyone has to bring their phones to a place and get unlocked so they can see everything we do!!!!

Or they might sneak around following us and if we leave the phone somewhere by mistake they will snatch it and spy on us! They might see pictures of food I ate the last few nights or some selfies! Or worst yet maybe some snap chats that I screen shotted!!!!!!!!

posted on 19 Feb 2016, 18:14 5

53. Ahovking (Posts: 679; Member since: 03 Feb 2015)


Apple has suggested at lest 4 different ways to get the information without creating a back door, the FBI has refused these alternatives, they want a "master key" for iOS.. As now we learn that the Apple ID on the iPhone was changed 24 hours after the government took contorl of the iPhone.. This is all bulls**t.. This is the FBI using this iPhone as a excuse to attack and force apple to create a back door to iOS.

posted on 19 Feb 2016, 19:24 2

67. sissy246 (Posts: 626; Member since: 04 Mar 2015)


On they dont. They have even said that Apple can unlock the phone for them and show them what is on it . They don't even want to know how apple does it. Apple can keep that to their self.

posted on 19 Feb 2016, 23:23 3

83. Augustine (Posts: 1043; Member since: 28 Sep 2013)


I'd rather deal with radical terrorism than state oppression. Or do you really think that such intrusion will stop at so called terrorists? BTW, according to the DHS, environmental activists and libertarians are considered terrorists. How long do you think it'll take until the state decides that you fill them with terror?

posted on 19 Feb 2016, 15:30 12

2. jellmoo (Posts: 1486; Member since: 31 Oct 2011)


I *really* hope that Apple sticks to their guns here as much as they are able to. I also hope that more tech companies speak up against this demand.

posted on 19 Feb 2016, 16:19 5

19. eden555 (Posts: 26; Member since: 21 Jan 2016)


well they wont win in the end either way

posted on 19 Feb 2016, 16:26 3

21. xondk (Posts: 1202; Member since: 25 Mar 2014)


If they won, and Apple unlocked the phone, if they can, it would pretty much be the death blow for Apple, proving they have a way around security would pretty much destroy all their effort towards privacy ever since the whole handing out your info thing they did a bit back.

posted on 19 Feb 2016, 17:40 1

39. jellmoo (Posts: 1486; Member since: 31 Oct 2011)


No. All that would prove is that Apple is able to create a backdoor to software that they themselves created. Not exactly the same thing.

posted on 19 Feb 2016, 19:15 1

61. cncrim (Posts: 796; Member since: 15 Aug 2011)


I don't believed Apple dont have back door on their own software they created, there is no such perfect system, period. The only perfect system is no one have found one yet.

posted on 19 Feb 2016, 19:19 3

65. cncrim (Posts: 796; Member since: 15 Aug 2011)


China watch this case very very close, as soon as Apple crack China government will ask Apple do the same.

posted on 19 Feb 2016, 19:11 1

60. S.R.K. (banned) (Posts: 678; Member since: 11 Feb 2016)


No one's gonna help this pos patent troll bullies coward company. Apple as a company deserves to rip.

posted on 22 Feb 2016, 07:45

96. gersont1000 (Posts: 289; Member since: 13 Mar 2012)


I've hated Apple for a long time for many reasons but I fully stand behind them in this case and DO expect other companies to back them.

posted on 19 Feb 2016, 21:33 1

75. karan1402d (Posts: 42; Member since: 28 May 2015)


Does Apple get funds from terrorists organisation, that it is so reluctant to allow Fed to investigate an convicted Terrorists. No wonder most terrorists now days use Apple devices along with Sat phones. Moreover what the whole fuss about privacy, are people talking against constitution, one's own country that their fear their secrets will be, if not the laws already provide enough security to person's privacy.
Apple promotes Terrorism

posted on 19 Feb 2016, 21:34

76. karan1402d (Posts: 42; Member since: 28 May 2015)


May be you will say the same when some innocent terrorists blows up your house and Apple refuses to help in investigation

posted on 19 Feb 2016, 15:33 1

3. Mxyzptlk (Posts: 11255; Member since: 21 Apr 2012)


It's DEMAND btw.

posted on 19 Feb 2016, 15:36 2

4. Joosty (Posts: 112; Member since: 14 Mar 2013)


s**t just got real. Lol.

posted on 19 Feb 2016, 15:48 1

11. jroc74 (Posts: 5986; Member since: 30 Dec 2010)


Yea I just read this about an hour ago on Yahoo home page.

Its gotten real for sure.

posted on 19 Feb 2016, 23:44

85. cncrim (Posts: 796; Member since: 15 Aug 2011)


Yeap, SH*t just got real.

posted on 19 Feb 2016, 15:38 11

5. DoggyDangerous (Posts: 762; Member since: 28 Aug 2015)


unlock only his phone and end the drama

posted on 19 Feb 2016, 16:05 4

17. newuser1 (Posts: 215; Member since: 10 Dec 2010)


Yep. Just this single one.

posted on 19 Feb 2016, 17:45 2

44. Busyboy (Posts: 534; Member since: 07 Jan 2015)


Are you not aware of the issue here Doggy? If the only issue was unlocking that single phone without any consequences, it would have been done.

posted on 19 Feb 2016, 18:57

56. ibend (Posts: 3509; Member since: 30 Sep 2014)


http://www.cbsnews.com/news/feds-apple-has-unlocked-iphones-before/

posted on 19 Feb 2016, 15:38 8

6. maherk (Posts: 3415; Member since: 10 Feb 2012)


Who knew that the US government will use this terrorist attack to legislate a new law that takes control over what was left of their citizens freedom?

It is kinda sad that the majority of people forgot the initial statements given by eyewitnesses, police officers, reporters, family members of the victims, about the 3 white male shooters, with big muscular built, and military uniforms, broke in and starts shooting around. Or how not one footage, just one, from the security cams, showed the moment the attack happened. Not once the US government was shy to use such footages to play on the American's feelings and get whatever they want from them. Why not now do it as well?

posted on 19 Feb 2016, 15:41 4

8. XperiaFanZone (Posts: 2047; Member since: 21 Sep 2012)


Inb4 that sensitive hands-on-collar user childishly justifying this action because "other countries were bad as well" and repeatedly mentioning irrelevant information about how the US is the most powerful, economic and diplomatic in the world.

Seriously, that guy is too quick to respond when someone criticises the country. Childish isn't even the word if you ask me.

posted on 19 Feb 2016, 15:48 5

12. maherk (Posts: 3415; Member since: 10 Feb 2012)


The worst part is he never replies back when someone shut him up with a valid argument.

posted on 19 Feb 2016, 16:19 1

18. darkkjedii (Posts: 19734; Member since: 05 Feb 2011)


Now there's a man who's eyes are wide open. Good point brother.

posted on 19 Feb 2016, 17:35 1

37. engineer-1701d (Posts: 3259; Member since: 13 Mar 2014)


let me guess maherk you think with the attackers are right and you want to join them right, because i know your not from or in america talking like that

posted on 19 Feb 2016, 18:12 7

52. greyarea (Posts: 166; Member since: 14 Aug 2015)


You're such a drama queen. No one here simplifies with the attackers, I'm pretty sure you will never talk directly to people who sympathies with the terrorists.

They're terrorists btw, not attackers. What are you some sympathizer, you wont call them terrorists /s

Let me guess engineer, you still haven't been patient enough to learn the complexities involved technologically/legally to reply with anything other than emotionally charged gut feelings. Sorry dude, this ones clearly out of your element.

posted on 19 Feb 2016, 18:58

57. ibend (Posts: 3509; Member since: 30 Sep 2014)


dosnt matter for me, I'm not there :D

posted on 19 Feb 2016, 19:16

62. S.R.K. (banned) (Posts: 678; Member since: 11 Feb 2016)


Good move by the government. This move is a conspiracy. To take down Apple for good. Lmfao. Hey Tim kock go to prison or let lose and let fbi have access to iOS dumbass users.

posted on 19 Feb 2016, 21:37

77. karan1402d (Posts: 42; Member since: 28 May 2015)


Does Apple get funds from terrorists organisation, that it is so reluctant to allow Fed to investigate an convicted Terrorists. No wonder most terrorists now days use Apple devices along with Sat phones. Moreover what the whole fuss about privacy, are people talking against constitution, one's own country that their fear their secrets will be, if not the laws already provide enough security to person's privacy.
Apple promotes Terrorism

posted on 20 Feb 2016, 05:36 2

91. Jimrod (Posts: 982; Member since: 22 Sep 2014)


You can keep posting that, it doesn't make you any less of a bellend.

Made up facts and figures - "most terrorists now days use Apple devices"? How many do you know then? Are there some official terrorist stats I've missed?

The FBI want to do what they always do, create anger from the public to push their agenda - suggesting Apple are helping terrorists so they can have the "key" to access any iDevice, crashing planes into buildings so they can go to war for oil... You know, the usual s**t.

posted on 19 Feb 2016, 15:42 1

10. RebelwithoutaClue (Posts: 2700; Member since: 05 Apr 2013)


Its a shame this wasnt a 5s or later. With the secure enclave onboard it would almost be impossible to just use an altered firmware,making it easier for Apple to refuse the court order.

posted on 19 Feb 2016, 15:53 3

13. KickRocks (Posts: 164; Member since: 22 Mar 2011)


I understand both sides of the coin here. I'm no way a fan of Apple but privacy is a concern even as an Android user. On the other hand to assist the feds in determining if there are other parties involved or even schemes to harm citizens is a no brainier. Is national security more important than our own security?

posted on 19 Feb 2016, 16:37 6

23. Nemon (Posts: 1; Member since: 19 Feb 2016)


What about tomorrow when China, Germany, India, Japan, Russia, whoever ask for the same? World is not just USA (300+ million people). Once you do something, you cant go back. In USA LAW there is legal precedents that goes back 100+ years and still used today, and here will be the same. You have to think other way around, that NATIONAL SECURITY is protection of your privacy. It should be just as same important as anyting else. If this is national security issue, then why we dont we use same logic and REMOVE all the guns from all the people in USA cause if nobody have guns nobody can do any attacks. You asked very good questions "Is national security more important than our own security?" Do you see my point?

Choice is not so simple or easy. I think apple is doin right thing with this issue and this SHOULD be getting more people people behind it

posted on 19 Feb 2016, 17:41

40. engineer-1701d (Posts: 3259; Member since: 13 Mar 2014)


i wish no one had guns but law officers it would make everything better but right to bear arms does not mean keep a set of bear arms on the wall above the fireplace. (lol family guy spoof)

posted on 19 Feb 2016, 21:38

78. karan1402d (Posts: 42; Member since: 28 May 2015)


Does Apple get funds from terrorists organisation, that it is so reluctant to allow Fed to investigate an convicted Terrorists. No wonder most terrorists now days use Apple devices along with Sat phones. Moreover what the whole fuss about privacy, are people talking against constitution, one's own country that their fear their secrets will be, if not the laws already provide enough security to person's privacy.
Apple promotes Terrorism

posted on 19 Feb 2016, 16:37 4

24. threed61 (Posts: 192; Member since: 27 May 2011)


The vast majority of device access requests are related to drug crimes. Is the war on drugs more important than the security of your data. Shortly after the release of the names of these shooters, the media found anti American remarks Malik made on social media. US authorities could have asked for a full background of Tashfeen Malik before she was allowed into the US, but did not.
Consider the number of times the US government has been hacked. A back door into your device for law enforcement can become a back door for hackers.

posted on 19 Feb 2016, 17:44

42. engineer-1701d (Posts: 3259; Member since: 13 Mar 2014)


except like the defence military network, the reason the internet is even here cant be hacked like that and if you tried your door would be down and you going to dark hole and no one to care about you

posted on 19 Feb 2016, 15:53 2

14. xtroid2k (Posts: 515; Member since: 11 Jan 2010)


Hmmm, this is a tough one. Apple is a publicly traded company that has a responsibility to its share holders and customers; not the us government. So simply put. I support apple.

posted on 19 Feb 2016, 17:45 2

43. engineer-1701d (Posts: 3259; Member since: 13 Mar 2014)


but must uphold the law of the land and thats the courts am going with the feds to teach tech companies what happens

posted on 19 Feb 2016, 16:04 5

16. Pattyface (Posts: 1518; Member since: 20 Aug 2014)


I absolutely support apple in this matter.. The government is overstepping their rights. I say we overthrow this government and start fresh

posted on 19 Feb 2016, 16:24 2

20. joeytaylor (Posts: 410; Member since: 28 Feb 2015)


The U.S. Government cannot force Apple to make something

posted on 19 Feb 2016, 16:55 4

31. joevsyou (Posts: 683; Member since: 28 Feb 2015)


they could make his life miserable, Threaten him about doing it is pretty damn easy. Do raids on their buildings for the hell of it, do stuff to his house. IF they really push the buttons they could just shut them down until they agree

posted on 19 Feb 2016, 17:17 2

33. joeytaylor (Posts: 410; Member since: 28 Feb 2015)


True and Apple could move

posted on 19 Feb 2016, 17:47

45. engineer-1701d (Posts: 3259; Member since: 13 Mar 2014)


ha like they would do that the gov then raise the price on incoming tax on iphones, and freeze all bank transfers and take property military come in and takes over apples home office and they cant get in many people lose there jobs and homes and end up on the streets. try again

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