Verizon's response to AT&T: "The Truth Hurts"

Verizon's response to AT&T:
In the most recent action in the Hatfield-McCoy feud, AT&T released the contents of a memo describing the widespread reach of its cellular coverage including EDGE. Prior to that, AT&T had released its lawyers on Verizon and asked a Federal Court to force Big Red to stop running the infamous Verizon ads that compare the 3G coverage of both firms nationwide. As we told you, AT&T never denied that the maps were true; the wireless operator was pointing out that the lack of 3G coverage on AT&T's map made it appear as though it offered no service in those areas. The truth is that AT&T does offer service in those locations - just not 3G service. For its part, Verizon puts a subtitle on the screen explaining this, while the maps are being displayed. For AT&T, it is not enough. After the latter firm filed the suit, by law, Verizon is supposed to respond, and respond they did. The introduction of the response says, "AT&T did not file the lawsuit because Verizon's "There's a map for that" advertisements are untrue; AT&T sued because Verizon's ads are true and the truth hurts." Wow! Maybe we can get this settled on the Judge Judy show. There is more from Big Red, "In the final analysis AT&T seeks emergency help because Verizon's side-by-side, apples-to-apples comparison of its own 3G coverage with AT&T confirms what the marketplace has been saying for months: AT&T failed to invest adequately in the necessary infrastructure to expand its 3G coverage to support its growth in smartphone business, and the usefulness of its service to smartphone users has suffered accordingly." Check out the filing by hitting the source link.

source: USDistrictCourt



1. whitman5115

Posts: 28; Member since: Jan 27, 2009

Wowsers!! Funny. Losers

25. Fanboys Suck

Posts: 609; Member since: Dec 12, 2008

What's hella funny is that I had a customer come in my store (as I work for AT&T) tonight and say the following: "You know what is dumb? Verizon has way better coverage than AT&T. The coverage map on the Verizon commercial is almost nothing for AT&T, but I seem to get coverage everywhere. My neighbors have Verizon and they have to practically go outside to make phone calls." I laughed to myself and explained to him it was the 3G data coverage map comparison, not voice... I don't blame Verizon for advertising like that. It is ridiculously effective and funny. AT&T needs to stop being a Bitch and figure out something to come back with... Only Problem: What?

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38. BlackberryUser

Posts: 609; Member since: Jun 26, 2009

I have AT&T and Verizon.. My AT&T has horrible voice compared to Verizon. Also I drop calls regularly with AT&T when I have full bars. That said, I have found very select area's that AT&T has coverage where Verizon doesn't. As for the data, AT&T's data infastructure is a joke. It has potential, but it's SLOW. Even in big cities.

39. videobandit

Posts: 26; Member since: Jun 17, 2009

Dude, posting the same comment in multiple places makes you look stupid.

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2. cansler

Posts: 136; Member since: Oct 07, 2009

Yeah, I got nothin' We did the same thing with regard to our TV service, Verizon went all fiber to the prem. We only did that in a selct few areas and wet fiber to the neighborhood and regular old copper the last mile. IN this industry, the last mile is usually the area where the most trouble is. So we dropped the ball on that one. I love my U-Verse but it could have been much better had we done it right.

15. BlackberryUser

Posts: 609; Member since: Jun 26, 2009

Verizon FIOS is amazing if it's available in your area.

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3. SamTime

Posts: 253; Member since: Nov 07, 2009

I'm an AT&T customer. I defected from T-Mobile. I actually love my service (probably because I don't live in San Francisco, Chicago, or New York, the areas where uttering AT&T is often followed up with a multitude of vulgarities). With that said, I'm thoroughly enjoying this little cat fight between America's two largest wireless carriers. I love the fact that Verizon is ruffling AT&T's feathers. This can only be good for AT&T's current customers. At some point, they'll have to answer these accusations of an overloaded network and poor overall footprint, and they'll answer it with a bigger, badder, behemoth of an HSPA network. Quite simply: They have no other choice but to do so. Don't let T-Mobile pass you by, AT&T. They're already testing their 21Mbps HSPA+ network in Philly. Let's hope they don't beat you to the punch. Oh and BTW, I know you guys must be sick of hearing me say this but once again, let's get some exciting, fresh smartphones into your lineup. That Garmin thing you have on your shelves doesn't count. May I suggest an Android device? It's the new 'it' thing to do you know. All the cool kids are doing it.

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4. biggles

Posts: 269; Member since: Oct 15, 2009

Something tells me AT&T is in a bit of a bind here. They went all-in on the iphone with larger subsidies than your typical smartphone and they've sold ALOT of them. All that cash up front doesn't exactly leave them with an abundance of funds for network investment right now, and they can't increase their rates if they want to compete with Verizon. They've been caught with their pants around their ankles, so they've got two choices: piss off investors and start investing future money in the network now which will mean the stock will take a hit for a couple years, or hope this blows over and slowly decrease subsidies or increase rates (or change terms) to increase cashflow. Problem is, Verizon has the network and they're investing their resources into 4G already. Bind! What's it gonna be, AT&T? More HSPA? HSPA+? or just go straight to LTE?

10. artz1986

Posts: 453; Member since: Mar 11, 2009

Woud ppl get mad if at&t skipped LTE for a year or two and just worked on producing bang'n HSPA+...hell how about just HSPA service? Imagine the power at&t would have if it could cover 100% [impossible?] of the country w/ solid HSPA+. Meh, I'd be happy with just getting a solid 1mb down speed anywhere in the country...I've got patience

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5. rjt185

Posts: 257; Member since: Jun 11, 2009

All those VZW comments made me feel warm & fuzzy. :-)

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6. gemini6991

Posts: 24; Member since: Sep 21, 2009

Apparently AT&T cant handle the truth lmao :)

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7. BeInspired

Posts: 45; Member since: Apr 21, 2009

Verizon is the one needs to stop, pulling out those ADs go against AT&T, doesn't matter whether the ADs is true or not. Verizon, already is number one in the states, why still keep competite with AT&T? Verizon is the one needs to grow up, since you are number one in the States already, it is time for you to face those others large carriers in the world. How about trying to be number one in the world, stop looking back to AT&;T, and pulling those ADs go against them. Verizon is just being a cheap player. P.S. that is right, T-mobile is playing the game right, also we are expecting to have 21mps 3G speed soon. because T-mobile is looking forward, not like verizon, looking backward to AT&T.

8. deschats

Posts: 193; Member since: Jun 09, 2009

ok for one thing, verizon does not need to "grow up" its a buisness, and buisnesses fight. if they didnt it wouldnt be a buisness would it? and who cares about t-mobiles 21 mps 3g speed.... verizon is upgrading to 4g LTE in 2010. my final point is that verizon is the biggest and wants to stay the biggest in the industry, so like any other company, it is going to fight for more.

9. BeInspired

Posts: 45; Member since: Apr 21, 2009

grow up mean growing up like a man, what verizon doin right now, is so childish. Of course business fights, i am trying to say verizon needs to fight with other bigger companies in the rest of world, not only sticking with AT&T, which is already second place in the United States. For 3G speed, t-mobile is reaching 21mps, what about 4G for t-mobile, probabaly 100mps. verizon is not the biggest in the industry, i was not trying to mention, but since you mentioned, now let me tell you, the biggest in the industry is China Mobile, is the biggest cellphone carrier company in the whole world. verizon is not even the second place, verizon has lots of stuff to do to catch up with the rest of the world.

11. artz1986

Posts: 453; Member since: Mar 11, 2009

Tmo is playing the game right price wise, but I don't think they should be worrying about speed right now, because I'm still getting customers coming in wanting to switch to MetroPCS because they can't get a Tmo signal in their apartment. What's up w/ Tmobile and apartments?

12. rjt185

Posts: 257; Member since: Jun 11, 2009

VZW only competes in the USA, although it recently started entering Mexico and Canada with plans tailored for individuals who travel or talk a lot to those countries. Your assumption that VZW is being a bully just because it's picking on #2 is rather miscontrued. Why would VZW waste money advertising itself against foreign (from a US perspective) carriers when it doesn't do business there. Furthermore, the statement of it going and starting to do business elsewhere just so that it can "compete" makes absolutely no sense. With T-Mo working in HSPA+ and Spring on WiMax, there is plenty of competition to come in the realm of 4G Networks here in North America. VZW is being smart. They've invested heavily in their network and can now afford to throw a couple tongue-in-cheek remarks at its competitors while focusing on the future. It's already investing heavily in its transition to 4G LTE and in doing that its moving forward. ps: Kudos to the marketing people who came up with "There's a Map for That" and the recent set of ads from VZW. Talk about striking a chord ... hardcore.

13. sinfulta

Posts: 279; Member since: Dec 11, 2008

Verizon is part of the Vodafone brand, with there partnership, they have a total of 412 Million, (323 Million Vodafone), China Mobile is 514 Million, So technically they are second. I wouldn't be surprised if Verizon rebrands to Vodafone name or vice versa once LTE in the states is hot and heavy. Theoretical speeds on HSPA+ networks are far inferior when it comes to actual speeds thus why LTE will be a lot faster. I test chipsets on these networks and a 21+mb service of Tmobile will be lucky to average 4-6mb once there is network load with average subscriber usage. Example is when LTE arrives eventually for Tmobile /Verizon and AT&T... we tested LTE for verizon in washington and with heavy heavy network loads we were able to to achieve almost 2x the speed of HSPA+21mb service. Thing is AT&T is not even building out 21+, they are working on 7.2mb. That's all they had... we tested it recently in the San Francisco Bay area and it was like staring and watching an egg boil.

18. YouLostTheGame

Posts: 441; Member since: Dec 11, 2008

Yeah, Vodafone is a shareholder in VZW (45%). But I would actually be surprised if VZW rebranded to Vodafone. Yes, Vodafone is "bigger" but they hold a minority stake in the company. If anything, I see Vodafone selling off their stake at some point. Vodafone has stated in the past it likes to have a controlling stake in foreign investments. And I'm sure they're especially frustrated with the investment, due to the fact that VZW has yet to pay any dividends to Vodafone. Not to mention, now during the economic downturn, Vodafone is fairing worse than VZW is, and that coupled with the fact that good ol' Ivan Seidenberg has said that he would love to own the entire stake of VZW. So who knows, but I think it far more likely VZW will stay VZW. If we're talking about either of the companies buying out the other, I see it far more likely that VZW would buy out Vodafone; now how cool would that be?!

14. vzw fanman

Posts: 1977; Member since: Dec 11, 2008

HaHaha. Yes the truth does hurt! ;-)

16. Gsmalltheway

Posts: 275; Member since: Aug 15, 2009

Great comment, you should be proud of yourself.

17. taco50

Posts: 5506; Member since: Oct 08, 2009

Wow you identify yourself by a product. Awesome. Why would anyone be a fan of a company that cares nothing about you other than your money and I'm not saying that about just Verizon, but any company. Anyway I think the adds are funny and when you look at the maps side by side it really brings it home how much better Verizon's coverage is. Iphone needs to be on Verizon.

19. JackFace

Posts: 190; Member since: Nov 03, 2009

Wow! You identify yourself by a fast-food menu item... Just Sayin'.

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