Verizon's response to AT&T: "The Truth Hurts"

Verizon's response to AT&T: "The Truth Hurts"
In the most recent action in the Hatfield-McCoy feud, AT&T released the contents of a memo describing the widespread reach of its cellular coverage including EDGE. Prior to that, AT&T had released its lawyers on Verizon and asked a Federal Court to force Big Red to stop running the infamous Verizon ads that compare the 3G coverage of both firms nationwide. As we told you, AT&T never denied that the maps were true; the wireless operator was pointing out that the lack of 3G coverage on AT&T's map made it appear as though it offered no service in those areas. The truth is that AT&T does offer service in those locations - just not 3G service. For its part, Verizon puts a subtitle on the screen explaining this, while the maps are being displayed. For AT&T, it is not enough. After the latter firm filed the suit, by law, Verizon is supposed to respond, and respond they did. The introduction of the response says, "AT&T did not file the lawsuit because Verizon's "There's a map for that" advertisements are untrue; AT&T sued because Verizon's ads are true and the truth hurts." Wow! Maybe we can get this settled on the Judge Judy show. There is more from Big Red, "In the final analysis AT&T seeks emergency help because Verizon's side-by-side, apples-to-apples comparison of its own 3G coverage with AT&T confirms what the marketplace has been saying for months: AT&T failed to invest adequately in the necessary infrastructure to expand its 3G coverage to support its growth in smartphone business, and the usefulness of its service to smartphone users has suffered accordingly." Check out the filing by hitting the source link.

source: USDistrictCourt


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42 Comments

24. Mateo8326

Posts: 472; Member since: Jul 15, 2009

Well AT&T looks like verizon got the best of you guys right now. Ima AT&T fan all the way i just hope verizon can keep it up. Much props for verizon for doubling up there early terminations fees for all those new customers that want to leave later on b/c either there service, prices, customer service, etc. and thats per line right lol so all you family ouch. But don't worry AT&T yes i can agree you guys are money hungry, and so is verizon they are just one step ahead of AT&T whose been on top for how many decades now you guys can't have the crown 4ever. just let verizon get there little slap and giggles in with the advertising and stop wasting money on lawsuits that are not gonna gain you any profit just shows how much verizon is affecting you business just let the wave past and ride it to the end....AT&T gonna take over in the end anyways

27. YouLostTheGame

Posts: 441; Member since: Dec 11, 2008

I think that's wishful thinking pal. Especially in the way ATT hasn't really invested a dime into their network for years, and then all of a sudden realizes they need to compete, and then throw some MINIMAL cash at the problem to just cover their bases. All the while VZW throws almost $6 billion/year into their network, EVERY YEAR, and stays ahead of the game. Not to mention the fact that since VZW is not a publicly traded company they don't have to pay out dividends to stakeholders. Instead they have taken that money and invested WISELY, and continuously into their network and thus going live with LTE next year. Yes, Vodafone is a minority stake holder (45%), but VZW and Vodafone's dividend contracts ran up in 2006, and to my knowledge have not renegotiated a new deal. By the time ATT finally decides that maybe they should start in on an LTE network, my guess is VZWs LTE network will prolly be almost entirely built out.

23. zr1vette

Posts: 26; Member since: Aug 22, 2009

AT&T just can't handle the truth lol They know its true and they can not stand it. right now they are just a little but sore.

22. Trobes05

Posts: 106; Member since: Aug 01, 2009

I really wouldn't be surprised if AT&T goes under after Verizon gets the iPhone.

26. YouLostTheGame

Posts: 441; Member since: Dec 11, 2008

As much as I dislike ATT, they're not going anywhere. While I will agree they might suffer a bit when the iPhone is offered on VZW, they won't be devastated. There are many people, like my uncle who bailed on VZW just to get an iPhone, who doesn't know shit about networks, and will stay with ATT, just because he's lazy, and doesn't want to deal with "the hassle" of switching networks again. Also, just look at the airline companies and automakers in this country...big corps. always figure out a way to stay in biz; and especially now that the gov't has so brutishly come into MANY American industries, and with ATT being as big as they are, the gov't wouldn't allow ATT to fail. Worse case scenario is ATT files for ch. 11, and stays in the market just like GM has done, paying off debts while still staying in biz. It's just the way it works my friend.

28. Trobes05

Posts: 106; Member since: Aug 01, 2009

Ohh your right...I forgot about the Government buying everything. Good call.

21. BrokenImaege

Posts: 173; Member since: Jul 27, 2009

And finally, the reality sets in.... AT&T has finally seen what happens when you put all your eggs in one basket and try to go for a quick knockout blow instead of setting in for the long fight. There was a reason why Verizon Wireless didn't jump all over the IPhone when it was offered. It would destroy, and did destroy the ability for a network to grow with its customers and AT&T has found that out the hard way. While they were laughing and smiling over this product, they forgot about what it was doing to thier network. They robbed Peter to pay Paul. Subsidies to Apple, network maintenance and upgrades, its all adding up now and has taken its toll. And while all this was happening, Verizon Wireless was putting its money into its network and growing with its customers. That is why Verizon Wireless will offer 4G LTE first to the nation. On top of it, here it is 3 years later, and here Apple comes in 3rd Quarter 2010 with Verizons IPhone to launch our 4G phones (and yes a buddy of mine in Apple confirmed this).... And Verizon isn't paying the subsidies that Apple does to have the phone.... And now the coverage map wars have begn to show who was right in thier decision making years ago. What is funny is how AT&T is fighting thier own maps. The maps that Verizon Wireless are from AT&Ts own website. Its isn't something they have made up and this was planned months in advance. Do you not think a legal team wasn't reviewing this for months on end? This isn't something they decided to do one morning after waking up and having breakfast. How can they even argue that? This will end up fruitless and AT&T will have waisted money and manpower once again in another dumb decision. Bravo Mr. McAdams....... Well done.

35. 20X0X0B545AHT

Posts: 20; Member since: Oct 30, 2009

Get The FACTs right Buddy, Here is what was said by Verizon CEO Lowell McAdam " Big Red will start to roll out its 4G LTE services in 20-30 markets by the second half of next year- 2010" SPRINT has 4G Today on the NOW Network! -http://www.sprint.com/4g >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 4 G >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

40. dubracer223

Posts: 46; Member since: Mar 16, 2009

oh wow you serious?!?!? well if you really wanna get TESTICLE then verizons 4 g is also running in 2 markets on the east and west coast ....so there smarty pants!

42. 20X0X0B545AHT

Posts: 20; Member since: Oct 30, 2009

Only 2 Haaahaaaa .... only 2 are fricking Joking?? You just make this up? What about the North and South Coast? Or here's one, what about the middle coast? Come on dumbracer223 !! get your story straight! Who's Lowell McAdam's TESTICLES are you Kidding with?? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 4 G >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

20. AZNphoneGeek

Posts: 200; Member since: May 15, 2009

maybe all the iPhone users should combine all their iStrength and create a magical bubble of benevolence for att hahaha. kinda like power rangers but without the cool outfits or after school kung fu classes

34. 20X0X0B545AHT

Posts: 20; Member since: Oct 30, 2009

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 4 G >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

14. vzw fanman

Posts: 1977; Member since: Dec 11, 2008

HaHaha. Yes the truth does hurt! ;-)

16. Gsmalltheway

Posts: 278; Member since: Aug 15, 2009

Great comment, you should be proud of yourself.

17. taco50

Posts: 5506; Member since: Oct 08, 2009

Wow you identify yourself by a product. Awesome. Why would anyone be a fan of a company that cares nothing about you other than your money and I'm not saying that about just Verizon, but any company. Anyway I think the adds are funny and when you look at the maps side by side it really brings it home how much better Verizon's coverage is. Iphone needs to be on Verizon.

19. JackFace

Posts: 190; Member since: Nov 03, 2009

Wow! You identify yourself by a fast-food menu item... Just Sayin'.

33. 20X0X0B545AHT

Posts: 20; Member since: Oct 30, 2009

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 4 G >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

7. BeInspired

Posts: 45; Member since: Apr 21, 2009

Verizon is the one needs to stop, pulling out those ADs go against AT&T, doesn't matter whether the ADs is true or not. Verizon, already is number one in the states, why still keep competite with AT&T? Verizon is the one needs to grow up, since you are number one in the States already, it is time for you to face those others large carriers in the world. How about trying to be number one in the world, stop looking back to AT&;T, and pulling those ADs go against them. Verizon is just being a cheap player. P.S. that is right, T-mobile is playing the game right, also we are expecting to have 21mps 3G speed soon. because T-mobile is looking forward, not like verizon, looking backward to AT&T.

8. deschats

Posts: 193; Member since: Jun 09, 2009

ok for one thing, verizon does not need to "grow up" its a buisness, and buisnesses fight. if they didnt it wouldnt be a buisness would it? and who cares about t-mobiles 21 mps 3g speed.... verizon is upgrading to 4g LTE in 2010. my final point is that verizon is the biggest and wants to stay the biggest in the industry, so like any other company, it is going to fight for more.

9. BeInspired

Posts: 45; Member since: Apr 21, 2009

grow up mean growing up like a man, what verizon doin right now, is so childish. Of course business fights, i am trying to say verizon needs to fight with other bigger companies in the rest of world, not only sticking with AT&T, which is already second place in the United States. For 3G speed, t-mobile is reaching 21mps, what about 4G for t-mobile, probabaly 100mps. verizon is not the biggest in the industry, i was not trying to mention, but since you mentioned, now let me tell you, the biggest in the industry is China Mobile, is the biggest cellphone carrier company in the whole world. verizon is not even the second place, verizon has lots of stuff to do to catch up with the rest of the world.

11. artz1986

Posts: 453; Member since: Mar 11, 2009

Tmo is playing the game right price wise, but I don't think they should be worrying about speed right now, because I'm still getting customers coming in wanting to switch to MetroPCS because they can't get a Tmo signal in their apartment. What's up w/ Tmobile and apartments?

12. rjt185

Posts: 257; Member since: Jun 11, 2009

VZW only competes in the USA, although it recently started entering Mexico and Canada with plans tailored for individuals who travel or talk a lot to those countries. Your assumption that VZW is being a bully just because it's picking on #2 is rather miscontrued. Why would VZW waste money advertising itself against foreign (from a US perspective) carriers when it doesn't do business there. Furthermore, the statement of it going and starting to do business elsewhere just so that it can "compete" makes absolutely no sense. With T-Mo working in HSPA+ and Spring on WiMax, there is plenty of competition to come in the realm of 4G Networks here in North America. VZW is being smart. They've invested heavily in their network and can now afford to throw a couple tongue-in-cheek remarks at its competitors while focusing on the future. It's already investing heavily in its transition to 4G LTE and in doing that its moving forward. ps: Kudos to the marketing people who came up with "There's a Map for That" and the recent set of ads from VZW. Talk about striking a chord ... hardcore.

13. sinfulta

Posts: 279; Member since: Dec 11, 2008

Verizon is part of the Vodafone brand, with there partnership, they have a total of 412 Million, (323 Million Vodafone), China Mobile is 514 Million, So technically they are second. I wouldn't be surprised if Verizon rebrands to Vodafone name or vice versa once LTE in the states is hot and heavy. Theoretical speeds on HSPA+ networks are far inferior when it comes to actual speeds thus why LTE will be a lot faster. I test chipsets on these networks and a 21+mb service of Tmobile will be lucky to average 4-6mb once there is network load with average subscriber usage. Example is when LTE arrives eventually for Tmobile /Verizon and AT&T... we tested LTE for verizon in washington and with heavy heavy network loads we were able to to achieve almost 2x the speed of HSPA+21mb service. Thing is AT&T is not even building out 21+, they are working on 7.2mb. That's all they had... we tested it recently in the San Francisco Bay area and it was like staring and watching an egg boil.

18. YouLostTheGame

Posts: 441; Member since: Dec 11, 2008

Yeah, Vodafone is a shareholder in VZW (45%). But I would actually be surprised if VZW rebranded to Vodafone. Yes, Vodafone is "bigger" but they hold a minority stake in the company. If anything, I see Vodafone selling off their stake at some point. Vodafone has stated in the past it likes to have a controlling stake in foreign investments. And I'm sure they're especially frustrated with the investment, due to the fact that VZW has yet to pay any dividends to Vodafone. Not to mention, now during the economic downturn, Vodafone is fairing worse than VZW is, and that coupled with the fact that good ol' Ivan Seidenberg has said that he would love to own the entire stake of VZW. So who knows, but I think it far more likely VZW will stay VZW. If we're talking about either of the companies buying out the other, I see it far more likely that VZW would buy out Vodafone; now how cool would that be?!

6. gemini6991

Posts: 24; Member since: Sep 21, 2009

Apparently AT&T cant handle the truth lmao :)

32. 20X0X0B545AHT

Posts: 20; Member since: Oct 30, 2009

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> 4 G >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

5. rjt185

Posts: 257; Member since: Jun 11, 2009

All those VZW comments made me feel warm & fuzzy. :-)

31. 20X0X0B545AHT

Posts: 20; Member since: Oct 30, 2009

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> 4 G >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

4. biggles

Posts: 269; Member since: Oct 15, 2009

Something tells me AT&T is in a bit of a bind here. They went all-in on the iphone with larger subsidies than your typical smartphone and they've sold ALOT of them. All that cash up front doesn't exactly leave them with an abundance of funds for network investment right now, and they can't increase their rates if they want to compete with Verizon. They've been caught with their pants around their ankles, so they've got two choices: piss off investors and start investing future money in the network now which will mean the stock will take a hit for a couple years, or hope this blows over and slowly decrease subsidies or increase rates (or change terms) to increase cashflow. Problem is, Verizon has the network and they're investing their resources into 4G already. Bind! What's it gonna be, AT&T? More HSPA? HSPA+? or just go straight to LTE?

10. artz1986

Posts: 453; Member since: Mar 11, 2009

Woud ppl get mad if at&t skipped LTE for a year or two and just worked on producing bang'n HSPA+...hell how about just HSPA service? Imagine the power at&t would have if it could cover 100% [impossible?] of the country w/ solid HSPA+. Meh, I'd be happy with just getting a solid 1mb down speed anywhere in the country...I've got patience

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