Verizon says it won't allow Google Wallet because it uses NFC
posted by Michael H. / Dec 10, 2012, 4:38 PM
Google Wallet launched over a year ago, and has yet to make it onto any Verizon handsets, despite updates to make it more secure. Verizon claims that it isn't "blocking" the app, although it won't show in the Google Play Store for Verizon users, and doesn't come preloaded on any devices. The FCC stepped in to
because Google Wallet requires access to a "secure element" which isn't available on all handsets. And, if Google were to remove this requirement, then the app would be free to be installed on Verizon devices, much like other mobile payment apps Square or PayPal.Verizon's response was that, while it isn't "blocking" the app (even though it is), if it were, the reason would be
Of course, that "secure element" is the NFC chip found in certain handsets. You know, the NFC chip that makes Google Wallet useful, and separates it from the competition like Square and PayPal. Although, it is similar to one competitor: Verizon-backed Isis, which uses NFC-enabled SIM cards for tap-to-pay transactions.
So, the official reason why Verizon isn't allowing Google Wallet is because it requires interaction with a "secure element" (aka NFC-chip), and that secure element isn't available on all Verizon handsets. Following this logic, Verizon will have to be careful when Isis is launched on the network (currently it is only testing on T-Mobile), and not allow any users to download and install Isis, until everyone on the entire network has an NFC-enabled SIM card, or else the company would look quite hypocritical.
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Ah, go to hell, Verizon. Google should kick the carriers around a little, starting with Verizon.
posted on Dec 10, 2012, 4:47 PM 16
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actually they will look hypocritical even if they do limit Isis to compatible devices, because they would still be excluding Google Wallet. I hope the FCC continues to school their greedy ways.
posted on Dec 10, 2012, 4:51 PM 14
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Why is it that Verizon is the carrier that seems to have the most "problems" when it comes to apps? I really do feel sorry for the GNex users on Verizon who can't use GW.
posted on Dec 10, 2012, 4:54 PM 7
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They can. Go to xda. :) However, for the average user, this is very crippling to Google. Verizon is (somehow) the largest carrier, so yeah...
posted on Dec 10, 2012, 4:59 PM 3
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Verizon is the largest because for a long time it was the only option for wireless in rural areas. And, in many rural areas it's still the only option for cable and wired, so people get Verizon for the package deals.
posted on Dec 10, 2012, 5:32 PM 4
Now I know why nfc never be that popular, another reason to blame lol
posted on Dec 10, 2012, 5:04 PM 2
theres nothing wrong with NFC wendy it is very useful and actually quite genius......if anything theres somthing wrong with verizon!.......here at least
posted on Dec 10, 2012, 5:11 PM 5
ok....lol....ok.........no this time I'M sorry, I see what you were saying now.....forgive me for saying this but i dont think you've built up that reputation yet to where people REALLY see your side of the coin......... in other words, try and be more "specific" so people wont get CONFUSED with you all the time......sound good?
posted on Dec 10, 2012, 5:51 PM 3
Google is too much of a pushover. Apple doesn't allow the carriers to butcher their phones and strip out features so I don't see why Google can't step in and do the same. Google is being too lax with them.
posted on Dec 10, 2012, 5:17 PM 10
oooo yea we should all be like the mighty and all powerful apple.....and your reason is specifically why apple is going under and why Google is rising........the question begs itself, when are YOU going to wake up? THE ONLY thing apple and verizon have in common is GREED!
posted on Dec 10, 2012, 5:26 PM 3
does that mean they are "losing" though? yes if the big picture is to "control" everything, like what your beloved company and carrier is doing, and no if the big picture is what its always been with Google, FREEDOM!.......just cause you dont own ONE place in a monopoly game doesnt mean you are going to LOSE the game! Yes verizon is the largest carrier, THAT IS A FACT, but Googles aim is, ONCE AGAIN, not to control everyone and EVERYTHING........verizon is a greedy carrier and feels that every one has to bow down to them, which is the same mindset that Apple has, which is why i said they are GOING UNDER......why because Pride and arrogance has gone on LONG enough with these companies, and its time for consumers to reap the benefits of good business not business controlled and monitored....
posted on Dec 10, 2012, 6:13 PM 3
why should Google bend to verizons will?? I think Googles mindset, is where the world needs to be more so than what verizon wants! (control) Verizon needs to loosen up a bit or they too will find themselves in a bad predicament!
posted on Dec 10, 2012, 6:25 PM 1
I could have phrased that better. I am not suggesting total submission to Verizon. But I could see if a carrier had legitimate concerns. And for the record, the locked bootloader is NOT a legitimate concern. Nor are their efforts to block google wallet. I dislike Verizon and that dislike has grown over the years, although I have their service (family plan, unfortunately). I sometimes think Verizon forgets that we actually own the phone. I pay the subsidized price and pay off the remaining cost over my two-year contract. You are right: Verizon needs to chill out. Why is it they are the only provider on the planet insisting on a locked bootloader? Why no access to Google wallet? Their explanations are a joke. So my solution is to root any verizon smartphone I own. If I want a feature on my phone, I will put it on my phone.
posted on Dec 10, 2012, 9:33 PM 2
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For once... I actually agree with something you wrote. All Nexus devices should be pure, but some how VZW is the only carrier that managed to water their version down. Google in the very honorable pursuit to not be evil, really does allow OEM's and carriers like VZW to dump all over their product. It would do them good to stand up to the carriers...like Apple does.
posted on Dec 10, 2012, 6:00 PM 1
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I went to download google wallet from google play to see what happens. This is what happens. "This app is incompatible with your HTC ADR6410LVW." By the way, my phone has NFC. Shame on you VZW!
posted on Dec 10, 2012, 5:31 PM 0
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Verizon hasn't come to grips with the simple fact that it's not the #1 carrier in the #1 market anymore. It's the #1 carrier in the #3 market. And, while Val Kilmer may say, "my hypocrisy only goes so far," Verizon Wireless has no such scruples. Europe and China are the biggest markets for smartphones and related services, and Big Red becomes less relevant with each passing fiscal quarter. This whole "I do what I want" attitude towards manufacturers and customers will eventually come back to haunt them.
posted on Dec 10, 2012, 5:33 PM 4
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MXYZPTK, there is nothing to strip from Apple' devices. It doesnt have NFC, and if it does strip anything from from the IPhone, than it won't be a smartphone. You see Iphone dont have anything unique but the IOS itself. It's a very basic smart phone for basic user that just wants to pull out the box and use it and listen to music. Apple is the push over, it wont aloud carriers to sell their IPhone unless its on their terms, and they wont even let their service techs troubleshoot the phone. Which most of the time its swapping parts. And with all the patents that they are trying to claim. So who is the push over?
posted on Dec 10, 2012, 5:38 PM 3
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My Gnex verizon phone has google wallet, it also has android 4.2.1, free tethering and unlimited data. If it didn't I wouldn't be with Verizon. Google could push some weight around but consumers need send a message with their own wallets that carriers can't ignore, and if you can't do that then send an email once a day. Meanwhile, root and enjoy what you should have anyways, it's pretty much illegal for them to provide you anything less, they'd be breaking the terms of their spectrum contracts.
posted on Dec 10, 2012, 5:57 PM 1
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