Unknown flaw found by hackers helped the FBI unlock dead terrorist's Apple iPhone 5c
posted by Alan F. / Apr 13, 2016, 1:45 AM
According to the Washington Post, a group of professional hackers approached the FBI with talk about a previously unknown security flaw in the iPhone. This group built hardware around this flaw that allowed the FBI to crack open the four-digit passcode on Farook's iPhone 5c, which runs iOS 9. This was accomplished without setting off the security feature that automatically wipes the memory of an iPhone after ten unsuccessful attempts to enter the correct passcode.
phone, or stored on it a list of other potential targets for attack, it became imperative for the FBI to get it open. A Court Order demanded that Apple open the device, but Apple refused. For it to open the phone, it would have to develop a new iOS based operating system dubbed Govt. OS whose sole reason for being would be to unlock the phone. But Apple was concerned that once the code was written, it would fall into the wrong hands. That would mean that any personal information stored on any iPhone on the planet would no longer be safe.
Ironically, while Apple won the battle and never developed a special OS to open up Farook's iPhone, it lost the war. Unless Apple finds out how Farook's iPhone was unlocked and sends out a patch to close this flaw, Apple is in the situation it was afraid of in the first place. As it turns out, the FBI paid the hackers a lump sum to crack the passcode, and also create software to prevent the phone from automatically wiping its contents after ten unsuccessful passcode entries.
Apple is demanding to find out the flaw used by the hackers so that it can close this vulnerability before others get their hands on it. It is ironic in a way since now it is the FBI that has something that Apple wants, and Apple is using the court system to try to get the hack from the FBI. Before, it was the FBI using the courts in an attempt to get something from Apple.
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At the end of the day, if it's this much effort to crack into the phone then 99.99% of us have nothing to worry about. If the FBI are looking into you that much that they need to break into your phone the chances are you're probably up to no good anyway.
posted on Apr 13, 2016, 1:53 AM 7
"Ironically, while Apple won the battle and never developed a special OS to open up Farook's iPhone, it lost the war. " I think it's backwards.. Apple lost the battle regarding the 5c, but as we know now, the newer models dont have this vulnerability and it takes virtually a couple of days from when apple discovers the flaw to update all the phones with a patch. I believe the fact that apple stood its ground against the mighty FBI (that seem to have no regard for the amendment rights of innocent people), even after dirty play from the government during "the battle" - Apple did in fact won the war - because if apple caved, it would have set the precedent for unlimited requests for just about anybody the government thinks it "needs" to access... But that's just my opinion, you dont have to agree...
posted on Apr 13, 2016, 2:08 AM 4
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How is apple going to patch its os when it wasn't involved in the process, maybe they should of played ball and now apple may have being able to fix it, unless they knew all the time about this little vulnerability.
posted on Apr 13, 2016, 2:19 AM 4
Every company that has even one line of code in their products consistently finds faults and patches them. It's not whether "IF" apple finds this hole, but "WHEN" it does it will patch it. It may not be even while they're looking for it, but the fix might come with the next update that always brings big and software fixes along. It does not have to be involved in the case to find a bug in it's own software. They already mentioned that they cant use the same method on newer phones and it's limited to 5C and older devices (look up recent drug dealers iPhone unlocking news). That means the new devices already have written code that's different from the 5C version of iOS. Every manufacturer, every program, every device gets updates that ALWAYS include software bug fixes...
posted on Apr 13, 2016, 2:27 AM 1
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It's certainly an if, because there are lots of holes that will never get found. Thus "when" is never going to happen because they create new firmware every year and every year, since the new firmware contains the foundation of the old, they drag those same holes into the new release. So its not even about "if" or "when" because actually neither may happen.
posted on Apr 13, 2016, 2:42 PM 1
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they should help them in the first place.... they hack their own system, get everything from that i5c, and close the flaw they found via update.. that way it will be less drama, no 3rd party involved, and iOS users security is save.. but now they didnt even know the flaw, and still cant do anything to fix it,.
posted on Apr 13, 2016, 2:30 AM 4
Ok, now listen how the real world of FBI works. They cannot have Apple obtain information on that device in private and give it to FBI - because there's possibility for someone at Apple to scrutinize with "the evidence" and even if apple is all legit - it would not be admissible in court because FBI was not the one overseeing the process of recovering the data. This is "WHY" FBI wanted apple to give THEM the software to unlock the iPhone or obtain the information themselves. Unfortunately the government is not something you can trust with this "TOOL" (to be fair, there's no entity in the world that can keep this "TOOL" safe from either black market or other governments), because this "TOOL" will give you access to ANYONE's private data, some of which can be worth in Millions of Dollars and be deemed a hot item to gain. Apple even stated that it doesn't have this "TOOL" (aka GovOS) to give to FBI and wont make one, because like I said above, Apple doesnt trust itself to keep it safe if it makes it, let alone give it to the most branched-out and arguably unorganized entity - the government. I know things in this world looks small when you live on Forums trolling iPhones all day, but they're not as simplistic and "easy" as it seems from your point of view. (no offence)...
posted on Apr 13, 2016, 2:49 AM 2
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Actually, PA is correct. Apple did not want the FBi to gain access to the device...they want a meeting with them at court and they still don't know how the fbi got access, so patching is irrelevant as this wasn't influenced by the FBI's decision. Don't be so insecure when you see the comment "*your favourite company* lost".
posted on Apr 13, 2016, 5:02 AM 2
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Apple got the money, know how to used it, noobs. Money buys everything these days. "FBI paid the hackers a lump sum to crack the passcode, and also create software to prevent the phone from automatically wiping its contents after ten unsuccessful passcode entries."
posted on Apr 13, 2016, 4:31 AM 0
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