Snapdragon 820 tipped to use Samsung's second-gen 14nm process

Snapdragon 820 tipped to use Samsung's second-gen 14nm process
Qualcomm's upcoming Snapdragon 820 performance powerhouse is going to be made mainly in Samsung's foundries, using the latest 14nm production process, that much we've heard already. There have been rumors that future iterations of Snapdragon 820 will come at 10nm, but that seems a bit far-fetched, and more suited for a Snapdragon 830 chip, whenever this one is planned for.

Thanks to a leakster account on Weibo that has been spilling the beans on upcoming chipsets for a few months with a good track record, we are now learning that Snapdragon 820 will likely be produced with Samsung's second generation 14nm process. The first 14nm chipsets, such as the Exynos 7420 in the Galaxy S6, or the Apple A9 in the iPhone 6s, are apparently using the "early" Low Power Enhanced (LPE) nodes, that are introductory for the process, while the next stage is 14nm Laser-Produced Plasma (LPP) chips. 

The LPP process offers higher performance within even smaller power envelope, but Samsung is yet striving for sufficient yield, tips the source, which might be why we have yet to see phones with Snapdragon 820 announced. In any case, Qualcomm's latest high-end silicon is shaping up to be a worthy replacement for the maligned Snapdragon 810, so we will be all ears for the first tests and benchmarks coming from a retail device.

source: IIceUniverse (Weibo)

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35 Comments

1. johanbiff

Posts: 415; Member since: Mar 31, 2015

everyting with the title "Laser" in it is autowin

2. Hexa-core

Posts: 2131; Member since: Aug 11, 2015

not really... A laser SD400 SoC can't be a win, man.

24. marorun

Posts: 5029; Member since: Mar 30, 2015

No? Well my Sonim XP7 with thats soc run all the latest game whitout lag and is super fast in the UI. So if its do the job why not? Its only super heavy UI like touchwiz thats need super octocore oven.

36. Psykotik_Dragon

Posts: 81; Member since: Dec 21, 2013

Check your facts...touchwiz ui hasn't been "heavy", "laggy", "slow" in quite a while. They've recently done a comparison of TW vs pure Android & only in a couple of the tests did pure Android beat TW in speed/power. Most of the tests showed TW was actually significantly faster/more efficient.

3. Clars123

Posts: 1078; Member since: Mar 16, 2015

LOL.....on a serious note..what difference would it make if anyone knows?

14. zeeBomb

Posts: 2318; Member since: Aug 14, 2014

Damn. Do I really have to wait next year for a new phone now?

19. vincelongman

Posts: 5677; Member since: Feb 10, 2013

32. TylerGrunter

Posts: 1544; Member since: Feb 16, 2012

Jajajajaja, I was going to post exactly the same! +1 for you! Sometimes LPP = Low Power Plus, but far away from what PA is telling.

4. pokharkarsaga

Posts: 547; Member since: Feb 23, 2012

Better use TSMC,they are more energy efficient.

6. Ordinary

Posts: 2454; Member since: Apr 23, 2015

Yep we saw what happened with 810

15. TechieXP1969

Posts: 14967; Member since: Sep 25, 2013

The 810 issue, wasn't it a design flaw? Not a fabrication flaw?

16. alex3run

Posts: 715; Member since: May 18, 2014

exynos 5433 is okay.

26. marorun

Posts: 5029; Member since: Mar 30, 2015

Exynos 5433 was a mess for overheating just search google and you will see..

33. alex3run

Posts: 715; Member since: May 18, 2014

I aint need no google because I'm typing this message fron an E5433-powered phone.

23. Napalm_3nema

Posts: 2236; Member since: Jun 14, 2013

It was. The integration of the Adreno 430 with the stock ARM cores is sub-optimal.

25. marorun

Posts: 5029; Member since: Mar 30, 2015

Both. Big little architecture is a mess for overheating ( Exynos throttle up to 40% because of this btw so not far behing the SD810 at 50% ) Its something about voltage thats bug it. thats and 20 nm build made for a really bad result ( Exynos got a bit better thanks to 14 nm build ) As for energy efficient the new iphone prove thats TSMC and samsung both have some issues depending on soc built ect.

34. alex3run

Posts: 715; Member since: May 18, 2014

It's something with your school physics level, not voltage control. E7420 throttles up to 40% due to thermal management of DVFS and it remains cooler than weaker and more throttled SD810.

7. hanabi

Posts: 177; Member since: Oct 08, 2015

Consumer Report says that was Chinese trick for Chinese TSMC next Chinese pls :)

5. Cicero

Posts: 1117; Member since: Jan 22, 2014

Samsung R&D is moving on and zhow it's fruition. Where is Apple R&D? I expect more from Apple to be more involved in this area and not on superficial things.

22. No_Sammy_No_Gimmicks

Posts: 147; Member since: Jun 10, 2015

U think Apple will be the richest company on the planet if it was busy building foundries with very small margins? Ask IBM & AMD if it's really worth it.

27. marorun

Posts: 5029; Member since: Mar 30, 2015

Apple is not even in top 20 for R&D they just buy out other ppl idea and impliment them.. they dont create anymore.

8. TheGunnyPT

Posts: 252; Member since: Feb 12, 2015

Glad to hear that the SD will be made at Samsung. After the 810 fiasco, all we can hope is that this one works like a charm and doesn't any Flagship.

10. wargreymon

Posts: 764; Member since: Nov 05, 2013

Since the 16nm A9 from TSMC appears to be good I don't mind. You don't boycott a company simply because they mess up a one or a few times, all companies do. It would however be smart to wait and see tests first if the track record is becoming worse, but now that we have facts in hand, I can't see a reason why wouldn't want TSMC to manufacture.

12. lpratas

Posts: 398; Member since: Nov 09, 2011

You are is anti-Korean, understand? And anti-Samsung. Otherwise you wouldn't make those posts.

21. wargreymon

Posts: 764; Member since: Nov 05, 2013

I'm anti-fanboys. Can you give one good reason why we should avoid TSMCs 16nm process?

28. marorun

Posts: 5029; Member since: Mar 30, 2015

Well i am sorry to say but i agree with him. I hate samsung deeply but still its like Qualcomm. They failed on the 810 yes but where king for a long time so its not because they failed 1 time thats its bad. TSMC made lots of soc in the past and usually they where also good so they failed one time as well. On the other hand Samsung failed a lots with its exynos lines..

35. alex3run

Posts: 715; Member since: May 18, 2014

Exynos line beats Snapdragon since 2010 year. The only exception was E5420 vs SD800 which performed similarly but SD was cooler.

9. Hallyu

Posts: 790; Member since: Jul 21, 2015

It's a fantastic effort by Samsung. They always contribute to the tech world when it comes to innovation. As a matter of fact, most companies are pretty much dependent on Samsung hardware like Superamoled tech, Ram, internal storage, SD card... I can't wait for other stuff like ISOCELL sensor and Exynos chip to completely become a staple part of mobile industry.

11. vuyonc

Posts: 1089; Member since: Feb 24, 2014

- 14nm LPP - HSA 1.0 processor design sending efficiency through the roof - Back to good old custom quad core cluster - Over double the GPU performance per watt - Over double the CPU performance per watt Hnng, can't for the battery life benchmarks :)

13. janno

Posts: 144; Member since: Aug 19, 2014

And that's even mentioning the Zeroth neural processor, Sense ID 3D fingerprint scanning, and the new ISP that can triple low-light performance for photos. Snapdragon 820 should be pretty great. Wish it was in this year's Nexus 6P.

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