Samsung will keep using ARM Mali GPUs over the next five years

Samsung will keep using ARM Mali GPUs over the next five years
Yesterday, June 16, was a fateful day for Samsung, for the company signed a long-term license agreement to keep using ARM's latest and greatest graphics processing units, Business Korea reports. The outlet describes a long-term contract of five years that also entitles Samsung to ARM's Mali T-820, T-830, T-860, and T-880 current series of graphics terminators. That's a pretty jolly development for Sammy, whose handsets and tablets have long benefited from ARM GPUs, but it puts other things in question - namely, the company's own GPU developments.

In addition to designing custom processors such as the Exynos 7420 that powers the Galaxy S6 & s6 edge, Samsung's many technological pastimes include in-house graphics units development as well. As far back as 2011, the company's semiconductor division has been hiring GPU circuit designers and engineers, focusing their efforts on a series of internally developed graphics chips. Industry sources expected Samsung to show the fruits of their labor this year, but it looks like company has deemed ARM's GPUs sufficient for its needs, and probably won't be adopting its own graphics technology any time soon.

Son Jae-cheol, VP of Samsung Electronics' SoC Processor Development Team, praised ARM's Mali series, noting their "high expandability and energy efficiency", and acknowledging that "image quality is a very important factor in premium mobile devices".

source: Business Korea via SamMobile

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39 Comments

1. galanoth

Posts: 428; Member since: Nov 26, 2011

Mali T-880 already sounds like a great mobile GPU. 80% more performance with 40% power reduction than T-760 using similar configurations.

2. -ARTE-

Posts: 80; Member since: Jun 14, 2015

PowerVR by imagination technology is better.

5. ph00ny

Posts: 2013; Member since: May 26, 2011

Also much larger compared to mali in terms of size. Apple's "dual core" setup is huge in die size

8. Ashoaib

Posts: 3271; Member since: Nov 15, 2013

if powerVR is better then why it is not as famous as Mali and Adreno?

10. BobbyBuster

Posts: 854; Member since: Jan 13, 2015

Mali is wide-spread because it's ultra cheap and from ARM Adreno is well known because it's Qualcomm's property. Qualcomm SoC automatically means Adreno. There are good reasons why some vendors like Apple opt for PowerVR despite the high price: quality & stability.

29. shahrooz

Posts: 792; Member since: Sep 17, 2013

apple never pays premium price for components, they are too greedy for this kind of moves. All of us know that iPhones have the most profit among flagships.

36. alex3run

Posts: 715; Member since: May 18, 2014

Nah. Apple uses PowerVR just because it owns 10% of Imagination Technologies. Everything is just clear.

30. renz4

Posts: 319; Member since: Aug 10, 2013

better doesn't mean that all people are going to use your GPU. in this regard nvidia probably have the best gpu on mobile. they even try to license their kepler core. but does samsung and other smartphone maker have any care with that?

33. BobbyBuster

Posts: 854; Member since: Jan 13, 2015

nVidia is trying but failing miserably. Never heard of a licensee lol.

25. galanoth

Posts: 428; Member since: Nov 26, 2011

The Galaxy S6 does better in GPU OFFscreen tests than the iPhone 6 Plus though.

35. alex3run

Posts: 715; Member since: May 18, 2014

It isn't. In fact they are approximately on par. But judging by my own experience PowerVR usually has lighter graphics configs that give about 5 - 10 extra fps.

15. waddup121 unregistered

Good to hear.

16. marorun

Posts: 5029; Member since: Mar 30, 2015

Both Adreno and Power VR are way superior. MAli GPU are crap..

37. alex3run

Posts: 715; Member since: May 18, 2014

Adrenos are the slowest GPUs of all the top.

28. Simona unregistered

mali is the best

3. Ordinary

Posts: 2454; Member since: Apr 23, 2015

I would like samsung tablet with tegra tho

4. kkmkk

Posts: 699; Member since: May 06, 2013

they are great i use the exynos7 5433 in my note 4 sm-900c and exynos 7 7420 in my s6 dge and the gpu is excellent and dosnt heat so much as let we say adreno 430 & 420 i tend to hate exynoss in the note 3 - s5 - s4 -s3 but right now it is absolutely my favorite

6. Ghost04

Posts: 517; Member since: May 03, 2014

All top end GPU are very very powerful . While using them they are not differentiable . We can only compute the difference in benchmarks . So, I really don't care which GPU is used . I just hope for a almost lag free software .

17. marorun

Posts: 5029; Member since: Mar 30, 2015

Well High end 3d games have less detail and texture on the S6 compared to the LG Gflex 2 or M9 ( beside resolution when compared to M9.) Higher frame rate as well. Frame rate under 30 like what i see on most high end game on the S6 is ok but i like more the near 60 fps i see from Adreno. But its okay if you like lower framerate many ppl are fine with 30 fps but i am not.

20. TechieXP1969

Posts: 14967; Member since: Sep 25, 2013

You have to consider the fact that many devs, add specific features and capabilities that are for a certain chipset liek the SnapDragon for example. ATI use to do this all the time. if you ran a game on an Nvidia chipset but the game was designed for ATI, there were many graphical benefits you saw when using a ATI GPU vs Nvidia and vice versa. This has been the same for the SnapDragon because it was the most used chipset my most Android OEM's. Samsung switched at the last minute meaning devs never had time to optimize their software for the Exynos. So saying well, many features of a game isn't cant be seen so thus this chipset is garbage is a terrible way to compare. You are simply looking at what you can see visually, but you arent considering the fact I just mentioned. After all, here is an example...Macs and PC's both use X86 hardware and the same GPU's, yet the same GPU's doesn't work equally the same on the Mac running Windows as any PC running Windows. Does that mean the chipset is faulty? Or is that a hardware limitation?

38. alex3run

Posts: 715; Member since: May 18, 2014

And what are the games you are talking about?)

7. Dude2014

Posts: 448; Member since: Feb 12, 2014

Damnn I just miss Nvidia GPU series. :(

9. BobbyBuster

Posts: 854; Member since: Jan 13, 2015

Yeah, Mali is the cheapest. What did you expect from Sammy?

11. tedkord

Posts: 17181; Member since: Jun 17, 2009

Well, since they have given us the best rated and performing smartphone and phablet this past year, we expect the best from them. And tears from you, which you consistently over deliver.

19. marorun

Posts: 5029; Member since: Mar 30, 2015

Best rated by reviewer sold to Samsung sure. But Samsung also has the highest return rate of all OEM including Apple ( and apple is pretty hard to beat as they have pretty high retur rate ) Shamesung is like Cr4ple they do everything to increase margin even cut on quality part to use cheap one.

24. TechieXP1969

Posts: 14967; Member since: Sep 25, 2013

Show me this fact if you are claiming this. The difference is, if Samsung phones actually have an issue, people return them I assume. Unlike iPhones where people will hold on to them even if they have problems. Return rates? Apple has had the most phones return do to them easily breaking. Samsung also sells 2x's the amount of phones so yes I expect if you sell more you have more returns. But even with the returns, Samsung still has more phones in peoples hands, so I fail to see you point. But I want you to post a link to this fact. Because I google'd smartphone returns rates by brand. Let em give you this one example...Dell was highly criticized for having a huge return rate on laptops vs Apple. But then once place into proper perspective vs fanboi stupidity, you find Apple was worse. http://www.brighthub.com/computing/hardware/articles/70899.aspx Fact even tho yes Apple had a lower rate of failure, consider this fact. At the time Apple was selling 1.5M computers per quarter while Dell was selling nearly 10M per quarter. Apple should have had a much lower failure rate consider product was far lower. Yet 17% of the laptops Apple made failed. Out of the 40M plus laptops dell sold in a year only 18% failed. Yes higher failure, but consider the fact that 82% of them were fine and still in peoples hands. That is still far more laptops in a year vs what Apple sold for the whole year. Samsung sells 80M smartphone per quarter while Apple averages a measly 35M. Even if 50% of Samsung phones were returned, they'd still have more hardware in peoples hands vs Apple. Highlights of the study include: The iPhone 4 was the most reliable phone, with 2.1% projected to have a non- accident malfunction in the first 12 months The major makers of Android devices, Motorola and HTC, were also very reliable, with just 2.3% and 3.7%. BlackBerry and other smart phones were less reliable, with 6.3% and 6.7% failing in the first 12 months of use. Accidental damage is responsible for over 75% of smart phone failures. BlackBerry devices had the lowest one-year accident rate at 6.7%, and the iPhone 4 had the highest at 9.4%. Apple returns 5-8 million defective iPhone 5 smartphones to its foreign manufacturer, Foxconn. - Considering Apple was still selling roughly 35M per quarter, losing 8M of them is a terrible rate of return due to defects. When it comes to defects in hardware and software issues, based on online reports iOS based deavices have had more issues vs Android and Apple iPhone vs the Galaxy S has had far more problems whether they get returned or not. Your false argument is BS talking about return rates. Here is what I bet, most people who returned a Samsung phone return them more IMO because maybe they didn't like them vs Apple who devices simply had issues...liek arriving bent, bending in your pocket, every iPhone model has had connection issues, app crashes have increase with every iOS update and the list goes on.

26. -ARTE-

Posts: 80; Member since: Jun 14, 2015

He's lying. He hates Samsung. He can't backup what he said. Nor any statement.

21. TechieXP1969

Posts: 14967; Member since: Sep 25, 2013

Cheap as in what? Price? First off, you know nothing about hardware or software so what even post? Just because Apple may pay more and charge you more, doesn't mean you're getting more. You arent even considering the fact that many games were developed and optimized for the SD on Android ad PowerVR for iPhone, because these were the main most popular used GPU's. Samsung only used their own because the SD had issues. The downside is, the Mali isnt as popular and not used as much as the SD, do devs didnt really optimize their software for it because Samsung only used them in certain models. All you do is rattle off a bunch of fanboi one lines with no substance and you arent even concern with why something. The MALI is cheap, it just iasnt as popular as the SnapDraon and PowerVR. Benchmarks show that the Mali is quite capable on taking on both and performing well and is more power efficient.

22. TechieXP1969

Posts: 14967; Member since: Sep 25, 2013

Just FYI, Samsung has used the PowerVR in the past. In fact the Galaxy S4 and the iPhone 5 both used the same chip. These benches prove the MALI can hold up wel even vs the SD and PVR -https://www.google.com/search?q=mali+vs+adreno+vs+powervr&biw=1920&bih=979&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=_ZGBVbP3O8XpsAWkkILQDw&ved=0CAgQ_AUoAw&dpr=1#imgdii=hxXthvI3zmRXwM%3A%3BhxXthvI3zmRXwM%3A%3BED6KoRxmsZE2aM%3A&imgrc=hxXthvI3zmRXwM%253A%3BCE1SThTdrgzh0M%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Ftechivian.com%252Fwp-content%252Fuploads%252F2012%252F07%252Fadreno-320-vs-sgx-544.jpg%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Ftechivian.com%252Fmali-400mp-vs-sgx-543mp4-vs-543mp3-vs-543mp2-vs-540-vs-535-vs-adreno-320-vs-225-vs-220-vs-205-vs-mali-400-vs-intel-xolo%252F%3B657%3B473 You lei so many iFans think that paying more gets your more and that is simply false. Because the S6 is only 599 retail and the iPhone is 649 retail and you dont get more with the iPhone. The PowerVR has a nice advantage in the iPhone in that the codebase of iOS has direct hardware access, while Android is a VM an doesn't perform as well because it doesnt have direct hardware excess. Even with that huge difference in hardware/software, the MALI beats the PowerVR and SnapDragon in lots of benches. In fact, look at the multicore performance of the MALI T760 vs the PVR inside the iPhone 6...

27. -ARTE-

Posts: 80; Member since: Jun 14, 2015

That was epic Techie. +1 You just shifted the haters and trolls. Lmao.

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