Rumor: Microsoft Surface Phone to be powered by the Qualcomm Snapdragon 835

I remember when Blackberry was at everyone's enterprice hand and people could not image they would have any other phone for this purpose. I am still not convinced to have an enterprice phone in your pocket that fails and is severely limited to be "normal" phone too.

Yes, but things has changed. The BB is out of business now. And BB never offered such enterprise integrations, as MS is capable to do. I think, MS plans to use the power they allready have: - the control of PC platform, enterprice, office etc.

Read my post again.

BlackBerry would beg to differ with you saying that they are "out of business", considering that they just released the DTEK60, have a physical keyboard phone coming out within the next 6 months, have a deal secured with one of the largest conglomerates in Indonesia to produce BlackBerry branded handsets, and have completed their transformation into a software and security company that has the most trusted enterprise software in mobile, and largest EMM market share. That's not to mention the fact that they also have the most used and trusted software in the auto-infotainment industry.

"Normal" phones do calls, texts, and emails. Perhaps some video calling. In that aspect, "enterprise" (BlackBerry and Windows) phones do that extremely well, and better than most. They perform the primary functions of a mobile phone best. Enterprise phones are not meant to have all the latest and greatest apps, their meant to be productive, communication devices, and BlackBerry and Windows Phones do that best.

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I wonder how much Microsoft is going to charge for this sort of spec. Microsoft is not known to price there stuff within reach. Enterprise device for employee days are generally over. BYOD are in and if the price could not attract every day Joe to buy than its still a stagnate platform.

Dude please !! don't get your hope too high on windows phone. I own a windows 930 its a classic device but without proper app support (which I am sure Microsoft wont able to garnish again ever !!!!) using that phone as a daily driver really painful. Its not first time they failed, windows phone always get tepid response since beginning (2007). I was windows phone fans once (still love that amazing home screen, and sturdy construction of my 930 !!) but there is more to smart phone that just live tiles which Microsoft forgot to culminate in their OS while they developed windows phone 10 !!

s**tty windows store. No bank apps, no regular apps even. Only bugging immitation apps. No youtube, no single wine scanner, since vivino left. Booking left. Even Microsoft stopped their own app Health & Fitness with ugly slogan " We've moved". Not to mention games. But the worst is that lagging windows 10 mobile. On my Lumia 640LTE, that was fast and responsive with windows 8.1 phone, now is laggish and crashing even own Microsoft apps - Phitos, People hub Phone dialer, Edge - all of them force closing once per day or two. Laggs, laggs, laggs. And yes, i made clean install. And that is so frustrating.

I completely agree with you ! By stopping the support of their own app its like they are punishing us for still using windows phone and asked us to move to different platform where they are more comfortable creating apps (android & IOS). I really don't understand why people still expect them to create surface phone, they have written of complete Nokia team and most of windows phone team. They are more happy in creating JUST redundant apps for other platforms.

Or a magic processor may show up that competes with Apple.

The SD 820 with its GPU has a rating of 408 gigaflops at 510 MHz or any where in between up to a maximum of 498 gigaflops at a maximum of 624 MHz. The SD 821 that is in the Pixels is rated at 520 gigaflops. The iPhone 6s with its GPU is rated at a maximum of 172.8 gigaflops with a maximum clock rate of 450 MHz for its GPU. The iPhone 7 still doesn't have a rating from the jailbreaking yet. But they are saying that it's around 300 gigaflops. Check outhttp://kyokojap.myweb.hinet.net

Yah well you can create all these ratings but that doesn't always give you the full story. The benchmarks show that Apple chips are way faster. And compare the a10 fusion which is the latest against qualcomm's latest. Qualcomm is always behind. It's like Intel and AMD. The A10 fusion is already approaching Intel Core M level performance.

like it or not the HP Elite X3 and it's accessories show where windows 10 mobiles smart phones are going. Through MS UWP Universal apps & Continuum Windows mobile smart phones will be the best smart phones to use with over 400 million Computers of various types that run full Windows 10 desktop/tablet Operating system. Eventually Microsoft will DEMAND THAT ALL NEW APPS FROM BUSINESSES AND DEVELOPERS BE THE TYPE UWP UNIVERSAL APPS THAT WILL ALSO RUN ON A WINDOWS 10 MOBILE SMART PHONE . AT FIRST THERE WILL BE RESISTANCE -THEN COMPLIANCE- AFTER THAT ALL WINDOWS 10 MOBILE SMART PHONES WILL RUN EVERY NEW UWP MS 'UNIVERSAL APP THAT COMES INTO THE WINDOWS 10 STORE APP . THE APPS GAP WILL DRASTCALLY FALL

I see your points, but I honestly believe that people in general if they had a choice between carrying around one device or two, they would choose one device if it could do the job of both devices. So, in my imaginative scenario, the Surface Phone would be a phone, game console, and desktop in one device. And you wouldn't have to necessarily worry about the game app development, because if it could run full Windows 10 then it could run the same games that Windows 10 could just in a lower quality. As long as Microsoft worked with developers to ensure that the lower quality could run on their phone specifications, then it would work. The Tegra X1 came out almost 2 years ago (2 years in January) and it pushed 1 teraflop of power. I'm sure they've worked on it enough that the next iteration could easily push the power of a regular Xbox One (which is around 1.3 teraflops) and still be more efficient. If a Surface Phone could at least match the power of the Xbox One then you're talking about a real gamechanger. People would buy it just based on the fact that it could play their Xbox One games on the go. Developers might then flock back to Windows Phone if there is enough interest in the platform again.

I mean I know there have been many smartphones that utilize a bluetooth keyboard and what not, but there hasn't been a real push in mobile gaming yet to justify people using a controller with their phone. If Microsoft was able to port over Xbox games, that would give it a real push. The Xperia Play was just ahead of it's time. It came out back before there were really any games for Android and when GPUs were underpowered. I think if someone tried it again they may get a different result. And I do agree that nVidia would be the key for making this happen. 1.5 teraflops is more than what the original Xbox One is pushing.

Why you would even bring up the Xperia Play that came out with a Snapdragon S2 1 GHz single core processor is beyond me. That device only had a 800x480 resolution display with wifi N. The newer Xperia Xx series starting with the Z2 came with faster quad core CPUs and wifi ac. You could play PS/4 games right on the phone itself. Each Xperia Zx version got faster with more ram, faster wifi, and better displays. You can even pair the PS/4 controllers to their phones or even other Android devices for that matter. Then you could play PS/4 games right on the Xperia Zx smartphones. Even Unity apps on Android support a number of Bluetooth controllers because of Android, and that includes the PS/4 controllers. This has been this way for years now. Clearly you don't know what the Android platform is capable of doing. The SD 820 has a maximum gigaflops rating of 498. The SD 821 is rated at 520 gigaflops. So the SD 835 will be able to use the faster LPDDR4X ram at 2133 MHz speed. That is desktop ram speeds. So naturally the SD 835 will run much faster especially since it's an octa core that is clocked higher with a faster GPU. So it might have a rating of up to 900 gigaflops. Even if it's 800 gigaflops. Judging from the Pixels Daydream VR, then it should be awesome, because I think that VR currently on the Pixel smartphones is wicked right now.