Rumor: Microsoft Surface Phone to be powered by the Qualcomm Snapdragon 835

While Microsoft is pretty much done with the Lumia brand, it's certainly not done with making smartphones. As reported many times before, Microsoft is planning to release a Surface Phone next year.

The latest rumors surrounding the Surface Phone come from Nokia Power User (a pretty reliable website). Reportedly, Microsoft is currently working on at least two Surface Phone prototypes, one with 4 GB of RAM, and one with 6 GB of RAM. It's said that both are powered by Qualcomm's brand new and very powerful Snapdragon 835 processor - which might also be used by Samsung for its upcoming Galaxy S8 series. The 6 GB prototype can allegedly run x86 apps via Continuum, while the 4 GB model can not.

Apparently, the current Surface Phone prototypes have Quad HD (1440 x 2560 pixels) displays of around 5.5-inches, and may come with "laptop accessories" - possibly including a Surface Pro-like keyboard cover and a stylus pen. Of course, for now, we can't really confirm any of the details presented above.

Up to three Surface Phone models could be released in late 2017 running Windows 10 Mobile Redstone 3. Compared to Redstone 2 (which should be available for current Windows 10 phones early next year), Redstone 3 is expected to be a much larger and more important update.

P.S.: What you're seeing above is a Surface Phone render based on rumors.

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1. nebula

Posts: 1009; Member since: Feb 20, 2015

Just wonder how even best hardware can make it work. If the app store is dead how they going to make this thing alife and running ??

9. Settings

Posts: 2943; Member since: Jul 02, 2014

Microsoft doesnt go after the niche market anymore. Enterprise is the way to go for MS so they could care less about consumer apps anymore.

18. nebula

Posts: 1009; Member since: Feb 20, 2015

I remember when Blackberry was at everyone's enterprice hand and people could not image they would have any other phone for this purpose. I am still not convinced to have an enterprice phone in your pocket that fails and is severely limited to be "normal" phone too.

21. raiter

Posts: 36; Member since: Mar 10, 2014

Yes, but things has changed. The BB is out of business now. And BB never offered such enterprise integrations, as MS is capable to do. I think, MS plans to use the power they allready have: - the control of PC platform, enterprice, office etc.

24. nebula

Posts: 1009; Member since: Feb 20, 2015

Read my post again.

29. meanestgenius

Posts: 22191; Member since: May 28, 2014

BlackBerry would beg to differ with you saying that they are "out of business", considering that they just released the DTEK60, have a physical keyboard phone coming out within the next 6 months, have a deal secured with one of the largest conglomerates in Indonesia to produce BlackBerry branded handsets, and have completed their transformation into a software and security company that has the most trusted enterprise software in mobile, and largest EMM market share. That's not to mention the fact that they also have the most used and trusted software in the auto-infotainment industry.

30. meanestgenius

Posts: 22191; Member since: May 28, 2014

"Normal" phones do calls, texts, and emails. Perhaps some video calling. In that aspect, "enterprise" (BlackBerry and Windows) phones do that extremely well, and better than most. They perform the primary functions of a mobile phone best. Enterprise phones are not meant to have all the latest and greatest apps, their meant to be productive, communication devices, and BlackBerry and Windows Phones do that best.

31. meanestgenius

Posts: 22191; Member since: May 28, 2014


33. joey_sfb

Posts: 6794; Member since: Mar 29, 2012

I wonder how much Microsoft is going to charge for this sort of spec. Microsoft is not known to price there stuff within reach. Enterprise device for employee days are generally over. BYOD are in and if the price could not attract every day Joe to buy than its still a stagnate platform.

19. ImperialDynamics

Posts: 84; Member since: Nov 30, 2012

the Windows Store is FAR from dead. New UWP apps and games are added every single day. But even more importantly Microsoft is continuing to merge the Windows Store with the Xbox Store. Did you know for example that Resident Evil 7 (the real deal, not a stupid mobile copycat) is coming soon to the Windows Store?. Think before you type.

20. xtplnet

Posts: 61; Member since: Mar 03, 2012

Dude please !! don't get your hope too high on windows phone. I own a windows 930 its a classic device but without proper app support (which I am sure Microsoft wont able to garnish again ever !!!!) using that phone as a daily driver really painful. Its not first time they failed, windows phone always get tepid response since beginning (2007). I was windows phone fans once (still love that amazing home screen, and sturdy construction of my 930 !!) but there is more to smart phone that just live tiles which Microsoft forgot to culminate in their OS while they developed windows phone 10 !!

25. yann

Posts: 614; Member since: Jul 15, 2010

s**tty windows store. No bank apps, no regular apps even. Only bugging immitation apps. No youtube, no single wine scanner, since vivino left. Booking left. Even Microsoft stopped their own app Health & Fitness with ugly slogan " We've moved". Not to mention games. But the worst is that lagging windows 10 mobile. On my Lumia 640LTE, that was fast and responsive with windows 8.1 phone, now is laggish and crashing even own Microsoft apps - Phitos, People hub Phone dialer, Edge - all of them force closing once per day or two. Laggs, laggs, laggs. And yes, i made clean install. And that is so frustrating.

26. xtplnet

Posts: 61; Member since: Mar 03, 2012

I completely agree with you ! By stopping the support of their own app its like they are punishing us for still using windows phone and asked us to move to different platform where they are more comfortable creating apps (android & IOS). I really don't understand why people still expect them to create surface phone, they have written of complete Nokia team and most of windows phone team. They are more happy in creating JUST redundant apps for other platforms.

32. phonesu

Posts: 1; Member since: Nov 26, 2016

If they make it the "Surface" phone, one would assume it would run Windows 10 with the ability to switch between phone mode and desktop mode. If they can make desktop apps display properly on a 5 to 6 inch screen, I'm sold. I would ditch Android immediately.

34. 7thspaceman

Posts: 1597; Member since: Feb 14, 2011

I still think there enough apps to make Windows 10 mobile smart phone useful. Microsoft is now urging all new apps to be MS UWP "Universal Apps which by the way run on Windows 10 mobile smart phones. The main reason a Business or developer should make UWP MS Universal apps is because the full desktop PC/tablet Windows 10 operating system can run on a 7 inch to larger touch screen monitor. a properly Designed MS UWP Universal App can automatically scale itself to run on a 5 inch windows 10 mobile smart phone to larger touch screen monitor like a 84 inch surface hub wall mounted interactive monitor. more and more MS UWP Apps are coming to the Windows 10 apps store that run on a Windows 10 mobile smart phone

2. amasog

Posts: 552; Member since: Aug 22, 2013

Even without an appstore, a phone won't stop running. Don't be stupid. Ahaha!

6. sgodsell

Posts: 7419; Member since: Mar 16, 2013

Look an ARM based Surface Phone is not going run x86 based apps. Sure you can run emulators to run x86 based applications on ARM, but for one second do you honestly believe that people are going to put up with something that slow. I know Microsoft has Universal apps that can run on any processor that Microsoft will support. However with that said. How many Universal apps are out their now. I can guarantee you it's a tiny number. Why do you think the Surface Phone is going to be an ARM processor. It's because they can still run the existing ARM based WP apps. Its because the ARM processor is superior for mobile devices. Although that is a great reason, but it's definitely not the reason, especially since a number of Android devices are still being sold with Intel Atom processors. So the person that should not be stupid is you.

7. krystian

Posts: 423; Member since: Mar 16, 2016

Or a magic processor may show up that competes with Apple.

13. sgodsell

Posts: 7419; Member since: Mar 16, 2013

The SD 820 with its GPU has a rating of 408 gigaflops at 510 MHz or any where in between up to a maximum of 498 gigaflops at a maximum of 624 MHz. The SD 821 that is in the Pixels is rated at 520 gigaflops. The iPhone 6s with its GPU is rated at a maximum of 172.8 gigaflops with a maximum clock rate of 450 MHz for its GPU. The iPhone 7 still doesn't have a rating from the jailbreaking yet. But they are saying that it's around 300 gigaflops. Check out

27. krystian

Posts: 423; Member since: Mar 16, 2016

Yah well you can create all these ratings but that doesn't always give you the full story. The benchmarks show that Apple chips are way faster. And compare the a10 fusion which is the latest against qualcomm's latest. Qualcomm is always behind. It's like Intel and AMD. The A10 fusion is already approaching Intel Core M level performance.

35. 7thspaceman

Posts: 1597; Member since: Feb 14, 2011

like it or not the HP Elite X3 and it's accessories show where windows 10 mobiles smart phones are going. Through MS UWP Universal apps & Continuum Windows mobile smart phones will be the best smart phones to use with over 400 million Computers of various types that run full Windows 10 desktop/tablet Operating system. Eventually Microsoft will DEMAND THAT ALL NEW APPS FROM BUSINESSES AND DEVELOPERS BE THE TYPE UWP UNIVERSAL APPS THAT WILL ALSO RUN ON A WINDOWS 10 MOBILE SMART PHONE . AT FIRST THERE WILL BE RESISTANCE -THEN COMPLIANCE- AFTER THAT ALL WINDOWS 10 MOBILE SMART PHONES WILL RUN EVERY NEW UWP MS 'UNIVERSAL APP THAT COMES INTO THE WINDOWS 10 STORE APP . THE APPS GAP WILL DRASTCALLY FALL

3. Bankz

Posts: 2550; Member since: Apr 08, 2016

I need a dell stack like monster tbh.. I'd buy that phone in a hearbeat.. A true game changer!

4. Dr.Phil

Posts: 2427; Member since: Feb 14, 2011

Imagine if Microsoft could build a Surface phone that had an attached keyboard plus the ability to use the Xbox controller with it. It could be a real game changer. And we all know that nVidia GPUs are up to the task. We are talking about a potential Nintendo Switch competitor then, only one that can also become a full-fledge computer as well. I would be very interested in buying that type of device.

5. Zylam

Posts: 1817; Member since: Oct 20, 2010

Not a bad idea, they should enable Xbox play and controller support on the Surface, that would pretty much be an Xbox on go. However the catch will be the price, Nintendo Switch is rumoured to cost between US 250-299, that's a really competitive price, not to mention it is a gaming only device, so dev support for gaming will obviously will high. The Surface Phone would be North of 600 and not receive as much support in terms of gaming, or even apps LOL. I don't know why but I'm really interested in the Switch, I've hated Nintendo's hardware models for the last few years because of all the useless gimmicks and under powered performance. the Switch feels like a successor to the Vita to be, and I seriously love my Vita, even though first party support has dried up, I still have a ton of fun playing it. Let's see how this plays out.

10. Dr.Phil

Posts: 2427; Member since: Feb 14, 2011

I see your points, but I honestly believe that people in general if they had a choice between carrying around one device or two, they would choose one device if it could do the job of both devices. So, in my imaginative scenario, the Surface Phone would be a phone, game console, and desktop in one device. And you wouldn't have to necessarily worry about the game app development, because if it could run full Windows 10 then it could run the same games that Windows 10 could just in a lower quality. As long as Microsoft worked with developers to ensure that the lower quality could run on their phone specifications, then it would work. The Tegra X1 came out almost 2 years ago (2 years in January) and it pushed 1 teraflop of power. I'm sure they've worked on it enough that the next iteration could easily push the power of a regular Xbox One (which is around 1.3 teraflops) and still be more efficient. If a Surface Phone could at least match the power of the Xbox One then you're talking about a real gamechanger. People would buy it just based on the fact that it could play their Xbox One games on the go. Developers might then flock back to Windows Phone if there is enough interest in the platform again.

8. sgodsell

Posts: 7419; Member since: Mar 16, 2013

They have been making Bluetooth keyboards for years for phablets, and even full sized keyboards that are foldable. Check out Amazon. Not to mention their are tons of Bluetooth game controllers, and you can even use PS/4 controllers on many smartphones. The next gen Nvidia SoCs are using the Pascal architecture. Which is at least 1.5 teraflops integer 32 bit. So that is very fast for any portable platform.

12. Dr.Phil

Posts: 2427; Member since: Feb 14, 2011

I mean I know there have been many smartphones that utilize a bluetooth keyboard and what not, but there hasn't been a real push in mobile gaming yet to justify people using a controller with their phone. If Microsoft was able to port over Xbox games, that would give it a real push. The Xperia Play was just ahead of it's time. It came out back before there were really any games for Android and when GPUs were underpowered. I think if someone tried it again they may get a different result. And I do agree that nVidia would be the key for making this happen. 1.5 teraflops is more than what the original Xbox One is pushing.

14. sgodsell

Posts: 7419; Member since: Mar 16, 2013

Why you would even bring up the Xperia Play that came out with a Snapdragon S2 1 GHz single core processor is beyond me. That device only had a 800x480 resolution display with wifi N. The newer Xperia Xx series starting with the Z2 came with faster quad core CPUs and wifi ac. You could play PS/4 games right on the phone itself. Each Xperia Zx version got faster with more ram, faster wifi, and better displays. You can even pair the PS/4 controllers to their phones or even other Android devices for that matter. Then you could play PS/4 games right on the Xperia Zx smartphones. Even Unity apps on Android support a number of Bluetooth controllers because of Android, and that includes the PS/4 controllers. This has been this way for years now. Clearly you don't know what the Android platform is capable of doing. The SD 820 has a maximum gigaflops rating of 498. The SD 821 is rated at 520 gigaflops. So the SD 835 will be able to use the faster LPDDR4X ram at 2133 MHz speed. That is desktop ram speeds. So naturally the SD 835 will run much faster especially since it's an octa core that is clocked higher with a faster GPU. So it might have a rating of up to 900 gigaflops. Even if it's 800 gigaflops. Judging from the Pixels Daydream VR, then it should be awesome, because I think that VR currently on the Pixel smartphones is wicked right now.

11. jack123

Posts: 278; Member since: Jan 07, 2013

Hopefully! They can deliver sometime around Valentine's day. I hate how they release their phones on markets a year after leaked info. We might see surface phone by fall next year.

15. Emmanuelz

Posts: 222; Member since: Aug 01, 2013

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