Just published video by Apple shows that the Nokia N97 mini loses signal too

Just published video by Apple shows that the Nokia N97 mini loses signal too
During their antenna press conference a few days ago, Apple was so generous in taking a stab at some of the competition by pointing out antenna issues that were common in some handsets sporting rival mobile operating platforms. RIM, Windows Mobile, and Android were targeted during the event as they showed how some handsets can lose signal simply by holding them in a particular area. However, there was no video showing antenna issues happening on handsets from the world's largest cell phone maker, but now it looks like a just published video from Apple shows how the Nokia N97 mini also has problems. It's difficult to gather why Apple didn't include this in their presentation, or maybe they just didn't want to feel the wrath from the number one maker in the world? Not to mention they did make some remarks about how Nokia placed "Don't touch here" stickers on their phones indicating which areas to not hold them. In any event, the video is available and if you really want to be convinced that the iPhone 4 isn't the only phone out there experiencing this issue.

Nokia N97 mini Specifications | Review

via The Nokia Blog



1. jtilman84

Posts: 3; Member since: Oct 22, 2009

there's a difference between the signal strength dropping and the entire call dropping... the I phone 4 DROPS the call it doesn't matter if a phone drops to 1 bar because it's still holding the call.... it's the fact that the phone completely drops the call and loses connection... HUGE difference Apple.... but nice job trying to throw every other phone maker under the bus to turn attention away from your problem instead of fixing it. nevermind here's a free case, problem solved.

7. NOVAinc

Posts: 99; Member since: Jun 24, 2010

Actually... the iPhone 4 statistically drops 1 extra call for each 100 calls dropped by a 3Gs phone. AT&T surely doesn't help, but the strength decreases if the bars decrease. iPhone 4 will drop a call if your zone has a poor reception, just as it would happen with anyother phone, if you live in a decent coverage zone the phone won't drop it, since holding it TIGHT will cause an attenuation by 20db aprox, which is not enough to drop anything. Videos in youtube? that's the people who live in weak zones.

12. jacky_luvsjrod

Posts: 53; Member since: May 26, 2010

i agree the iphone 4 drops calls even with 5 bars of service i know this cuz i have one but its only the iphone that has problems on at&t network, i know at&t is not the best network out there but every other phone on at&t works fine we are on a family plan and my mom with the bold9700 from at&t sometimes gets very low signal inside some buildings like in macys her bold only gets 1 bar of service that really small bar that u can berly see it and shes still able to talk with out a problem shes can make calls n send text messages fine without a problem with that 1 bar of service and it doesnt disconnect the call it stays connected n shes able to talk for a long time and on my iphone 4 when i have 1 bar of service its impossible for me to call i keep getting call failed and i dont understand why calls go tru with the bold even on places with low signal and on the iphone 4 they dont if they are both running on at&t...

29. roscuthiii

Posts: 2383; Member since: Jul 18, 2010

Ahem... Novainc... 1 extra in 100 over the 3Gs doesn't sound like a lot until you take into account that in the U.S. the average number of dropped calls is only about 1.5 in 100 calls. I'm not sure what the 3Gs' ratio of dropped calls is but if it's the 1.5 average then that would put the iP4 at about 2.5 calls dropped per 100. That's still almost doubling the number of dropped calls. Now, if the 3gS's ratio is something akin to 15 calls dropped per 100, then yes, I guess 16 out of 100 really isnt that bad. Food for thought. I've had a Droid Eris on Verizon for 6 months and never dropped one call (I'm also left-handed) and don't live in an area with all that great a signal. That's not going by bars, that going by -95 dB on average.

33. NOVAinc

Posts: 99; Member since: Jun 24, 2010

no no boy, this isn't 1 dropped call for EVERY 100 calls, this is less than 1 more dropped call for each 100 DROPPED calls of the 3Gs, that's less than the 1% more.

2. Whateverman

Posts: 3295; Member since: May 17, 2009

Doesn't show a total loss of bars, calls or data. This video just proves to me that Nokia makes a better antenna tha Apple. Plus one for Nokia. Thanks Steve!

3. zerglisk

Posts: 544; Member since: Feb 09, 2010

oh please, stop showing all these videos to cover up your mess, steve. Stop your immature act already, god. Did you really use your 100 million dollar facility for this crap? Plus N97 wasn't listed on your friday conference.

8. NOVAinc

Posts: 99; Member since: Jun 24, 2010

Yes, everybody else sucks, that's not reason for you to suck too, we already know that other phones suck, but the iPhone must be PERFECT, otherwise it sucks. Even if the technological limitations of the actuality don't make it possible to avoid the problem just FIX IT, I DON'T CARE IF IT'S IMPOSSIBLE, FIX IT, otherwise your phone is crap. Love - Android fanboy.

4. omarc26

Posts: 360; Member since: Dec 05, 2009

Steve jobs is lookin pretty stupid by posting up all this videos yesterday I tried the death grip thingy on my bold 9700 like he did on the video and I didn't drop 1 bar n I had 5 bars of service I was doing that for 30 minutes until I gave up I even got my girlfriend to help me cover up the whole phone with her hand and it still kept all 5 bars . I dnt kno why but I think he fixed those videos becuz my friend has the Eris n I showed him the video n we tried the same thing on the eris and his didn't loose signal At all and on the videos Steve jobs posted when he does that on the phones they automatically loose signal really fast and I tried it on the bold n eris n gave up because I looked retarded trying that for half an hour and nothing happened ..

9. NOVAinc

Posts: 99; Member since: Jun 24, 2010

Do you know how this works? If yes, SKIP THIS POST. If not then proceed to read. There's something you must understand, and I will tell you what it is but you need to open your mind and stop thinking "apple sucks" because you saw videos of special cases of people showing this. Look, the spectrum of db for your phone to work properly expands from the -55db to -113db. Holding the iPhone TIGHT will generate a loose of 20db aprox. If your phone receives strong signal from over -70db, it don't matter how hard you try, you WON'T be able to recreate the effect. The iPhone 4, on its first firmware used to show you 5 bars from -55 to -90db... so, it actually seems that the signal is stronger than it is fact is. If you lived in an area of -85/89db and you held your phone tight it would drop all the 5 bars because the signal drops 20db reaching almost the limit for a proper usage (1 bar). With the new FW the phone will show you the strength you actually are receiving, and now it's not possible to recreate the effect because the software issue was fixed. Nokia, BB, Motorola, HTC, etc do the same, they show you 5 bars even if your signal is weak, that's why you can still recreate signal loss of 2/3; 3/4 and so on when you use a non Apple phone. But this has to happen in a weak zone. Did you know that? if no... well, you know it now, and you can ask me anything you want. If yes, then why do you try to recreate this in a zone with good coverage? and why do you come here to trash a company without facts to back up your words? Those old videos in youtube are from people who lived in an area of under -80db of coverage, that's why they could do this. For everybody else, I just want you guys to know how it works, because usually they just make comments like these without even knowing how it works, and it makes me sick to see people doing that.

16. zerglisk

Posts: 544; Member since: Feb 09, 2010

@Omarc26, there is something called "punctuation"....

22. CommZod

Posts: 10; Member since: Mar 08, 2010

So basically your saying that Apple Originally tried to screw people into THINKING they had full bars when they really didn't. Then it backfired on them and they had to put things the way they should have been in the first place?

30. roscuthiii

Posts: 2383; Member since: Jul 18, 2010

Everyone relaizes all of this Nova... do you realize that there is a difference between blocking a signal and short circuiting an exposed antenna ? Yes, yes we all also reaize that it's entirely fixable with a rubber. The point is that you shouldn't need to get one for a phone to work optimaly. A rubber that at first was ordered not to be given away for free at all. Of course that was after left handed users were blamed. Just wondering.

34. NOVAinc

Posts: 99; Member since: Jun 24, 2010

@CommZod: Yes, they did, SJ said it at the press conference and apologized. Now they delivered a new FW which solves this thing. All the rest of the companies still show the bars wrong.

36. YouLostTheGame

Posts: 441; Member since: Dec 11, 2008

Ha! You're too funny! What you're saying now, is that the almighty Steve Jobs has his phone working "correctly" while every other MAJOR phone manufacturer/OS developer, that have been making phones for YEARS before the iPhone, are all wrong?! Get over yourself and your iShit already.

38. NOVAinc

Posts: 99; Member since: Jun 24, 2010

Yes, that's why the iPhone changed everything, didn't you know it? All the actual OS's are based on user friendliness, a thing that nobody knew on a smartphone until the iPhone arrived... love it or hate it Besides, I didn't say "his" (he alone is not apple, you noob) phone worked properly and the others didn't. Read something before you claim anything. You know... the iPhone is the only phone right now to show the real signal, otherwise watch what happens when a blackberry looses the reception... it will take a whole minute to show it, and even in a weak area it will show you have perfect signal, but guess what? not...

39. Whateverman

Posts: 3295; Member since: May 17, 2009

If the other manufacturers are showing incorrectly, explain why their calls don't drop. Many test have been done by unbiased publications and individual ATT customers. And all have said, when the iPhone drops a call, different phones in the same area at the same time don't drop the call. Why do you defend this company and this product, even when all the evidence shows that there is a problem?

43. NOVAinc

Posts: 99; Member since: Jun 24, 2010

I defend no company, I defend objectivity and truth. I would do it with any company not just apple. Let me tell you a thing about this evidence. If Engadget came up with a picture of both the EVO and the Nexus One side by side and said that the EVO had better quality materials, you'd probably laugh at it. But what if they showed a used Nexus One besides a new EVO... That's what we call yellowish and reality distortion. But what if they didn't mention that detail but you knew it? You would most probably try to explain it and tell what's really going on. As an advertiser, I am very familiar with people like this. Some sites will distort the reality in a way that does make sense but that still is wrong just to get more hits, they need the hits to have money. The bad of this is that all this "evidence" doesn't quite much match with the real facts but people usually just read what the blog says and adopt the words wrote on it. And some bloggers, mostly in well known blogs will distort this reality to get more money and will give a crap about the truth, even if they know all the influence they are to all their readers who will blindly follow their words. As long as they get hits, nothing else matters. That's why they flood the web with apple articles, because like it or not, right now that is the topic that people talk and care about. I'll go and continue practising with my guitar, and when I have more free time probably I will read the news (from real journalists), until then I'll take advantage of my time and will care about things that really matters. My question would be "why do some people insist on spending their time reading news about phones that they don't like, they don't own, and insult the people who has different opinions?"

45. thatdude1 unregistered

Why don't you ask ilia1986 that question, novainc?

46. Whateverman

Posts: 3295; Member since: May 17, 2009

A great example of objectivity is when someone has two different phones from the same company, showing different results and then reports those results to the people who love hearing and talking about gadgets. Thats why people come here and share their opinions about phones they like, do not like or own themselves. But that isn't what you are defending. It seems that you are defending Apple"s right to make a defective product. I just think they are better than this. But I'm still curious why you think the phones that keep a connection are the defective phones and the iP4 is the only one showing bars correctly when its the only one that drops calls.

49. NOVAinc

Posts: 99; Member since: Jun 24, 2010

The data I've seen shows that the iPhone has better reception than a Nexus One with a bumper on. People may show a phone with a better reception doing it well, what's the problem with it? The iPhone is far from being defective, its signal just isn't good, that's all... there are a lot of other phones with bad signal (without cases of course) About people "sharing their opinions about phones they like"... it may be just me, but I don't think saying "SJ you jerk ass idiot fuck off" is any close to "share their opinions" but rather throwing words without any possibility of discussion or any evidence of mind openess. To say honestly, it looks like I missexpressed, because I like and admire people like you, and love the way you take a time to read and take a time to make a proper reply. I seriously wish they were all more like you, but the rest of the group is just not gonna do it the same way nor any closer. @thatdude1: Should I? I don't feel like doing it, but you can do if you like.

50. thatdude1 unregistered

@novainc: I have. He won't answer. Maybe he will have better luck with a "kindred spirit" like you.

52. YouLostTheGame

Posts: 441; Member since: Dec 11, 2008

I know Steve Jobs alone, does not make up Apple in entirety dumbshit. But the fact that you argue EVERY LITTLE SEMANTIC word from ANYONE just shows/proves that you just can't see the forest for the trees my friend. You're just one of those people that talks, and talks, and argues and argues their point, correct or not, til the other person(s) give up and let you win out of sheer boredom.


Posts: 1459; Member since: Mar 09, 2010

Phone Dog, and other coverage sites still report crapple "dropping' calls. Even if you hold the other phones like you say they aren't dropping callls like the I phone. It's a flawed design, and you should not have to pay for a shell to make the friggin thing work. Iphone is very well designed physically, minus the antenna flaw. It has a marvelous screen, but the reallity is as a phone Iphone always sucked. That's why they redesigned the antenna to the outside. As a phone it always sucked. How about being realistic. No matter who reviews the phoine the call qulaity, and reception has always been an issue with iPhone. Apple fan boys need tgo pull thier heads out of Steve Jobs ass. When he was told about the flaw his remark was don't hold it that way. Then it took negative press, Consumers report getting the balls to not reccomend it when all other shit reviewers applauded a great muti media device that sucked at being what it should be.....a phone. It took a letter from Congressman Schummer to get his ass in gear to address the issue, and he was angry he had to leave Hawaii to tell people they would only be reimbursed if the phone cover was bought from a certain vendor. You guys can't see that Steve Jobs made his billions on you, and hated to addreess his adoring fans to assure he would make good on his shit flawed product! All I can say is wow!

5. jpropin

Posts: 152; Member since: May 20, 2010

I once spilled a pitcher of beer on my old RAZR and it still got better reception than the iPhone.

6. scottmbolt unregistered

LOL Its sorry that some of the people who troll this site still defend this lunatic ass hole (Steve Jobs) and the lame device he "innovated".

10. NOVAinc

Posts: 99; Member since: Jun 24, 2010

I don't really know what you mean by "defend", as if he did something bad... but well, for my part I like to explain how things really are to people who adopt the thoughts of the first blog they read.

11. ilia1986 unregistered

Ah Nova, still trying to bring some sense into people here.. I tried. I failed. But I support you all the way man. Steve should just put a disclaimer on everything that is Apple - "If you're reading this and your brain is smaller than a ball of golf - parental discretion required". In the end of the day, however, Steve is wrong. You can't make everyone happy. Not people who have been sucking Apple hatred mixed with milk from all the bloggers\youtube videos\other haters etc etc. Heck - I bet that 90% of the people who Hate Apple - don't actually use any of it's products. And never had.

13. thatdude1 unregistered

I have used apple products, ilia, and they flat out suck. Without the app store, the iphone is totally useless. This is becoming evident with the fact that the iphone(all incarnations)have poor reception and drop calls constantly. The iphone 4 is just the worst of the bunch. And yes, your phone does suck no matter how many apps it has if it cannot perform it's most basic function, a phone call. Isheep like yourself will blindly follow jobs off the face of the earth if he so decreed. Face facts, thie iphone is trash, apple does not innovate, and everyone is seeing jobs and his company for what they truly are. It was only a matter of time.

14. ilia1986 unregistered

Ah you just demonstrate perfectly my above point.

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