Jobs says App Store still represents freedom
posted by Alan F. / May 17, 2010, 10:36 AM
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Apple has the right to control it's user experience, if you don't like it buy another phone(I did!)
posted on Oct 20, 2010, 1:46 AM 0
dmberta has it exactly right. Apple has never hidden the fact that it doesn't have the open App Store that Andriod does, but people act so shocked when Apple makes a decision against them even though Apple says they have the right to do that from the start. There are other smartphones out there that do exactly the same thing the iPhone does...it just doesn't have the iPhone brand name on it...which is what most people want over functionality.
posted on May 17, 2010, 3:06 PM 0
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exactly, if you want unadulterated true Freedom with your smart phone, then obviously a Pre or BB or a Iphone are not for you...... get a DROID and play away. Iphone has never been 100% open ended, even if you jail break it, but a DROID has been since day one. Just took a little while to get the support to compete with the massive amounts of applications Apple was bleeding people for.
posted on May 17, 2010, 11:09 AM 0
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i agree with u the droid really is true freedom because u can do whatever the hell u want with it even watch porn the droid even has a porn app store n yes i watch porn im a guy . the droid also has flash player the iphone doesnt n these days every website out there requires flash player . when i had the iphone 3Gs most webpages wouldnt display correctly because it needed the flash player now on my htc indredible it displays the whole webpage because it has flash player and no its not slower its actually 3 times faster than my iphone 3GS was at loading web pages . n who cares if i cannot talk and use the web at the same time. at least im on a better network i can atleast make calls .
posted on May 17, 2010, 11:52 AM 0
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i agree with both of u the iphone app store is not free when it comes to some things . like for example it blocks certain apps and it blocks porn . im not saying i watch porn not my thing . and i think that if someone buys a phone and is paying for it every month u should be able to do whatever the hell u want with it even watch porn . yes i have read on other posts that steve jobs says he doesnt put porn on the iphone because there are still many underage kids . but i still dont get why he doesnt make an app to block adult content? i know that even tho the droid has a porn app store it still has MANY ways to block adult content .it has certain apps that do that. so .so why doesnt steve jobs do that?
posted on May 17, 2010, 11:59 AM 0
Does anyone else think that censoring certain apps not from a business standpoint but out of personal parenthood feelings is TOTALLY WRONG?! Imagine your employer firing you just because you happened to wear a red shirt this morning, and according to his feelings - red is associated with anger, and he doesn't want that in his company. I could understand if he said that sexually explicit apps can drive away parents who are concerned with their children , etc. He could have made an age lock btw, or something like that. But removing them just because he cares about HIS kids is kinda ridiculous! Seriously Steve - the appstore is not just your personal toy! - Its you know - one of the main sources of your company's profit!
posted on May 17, 2010, 11:18 AM 0
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Ilia i def agree with you. Censorship of any kind is wrong. It starts out as something minor and then snow balls into this out of control monster. If Steve really cared about the kids he would have put in a password protected section of the app store for adult content. At the end of the day i guess Steve figured that adult content does'nt generate enough money for Apple so he blocked it and uses his kids as a reason why he did it.
posted on May 17, 2010, 11:23 AM 0
But why not state the real reason? Does he really think that everyone is that stupid to actually think that thinking about HIS kids is a legitimate reason? Heck, even TV providers which are monitored by the government still allow adult content. Oh well. As long as he doesn't force censore Safari to prevent it to surfing to pr0n - I guess it doesn't really matter.. You can always load pics of naked girls as your wallpaper anyway if you want to. ;-)
posted on May 17, 2010, 11:35 AM 0
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It's his Company- It's his Choice. What the hell does it matter? Let him lose customers. YOU go get a different phone. The App Store is his personal play toy, and so is his company. He made it the way it is - Very Consistant. If you don't like it, move on like the rest of society is.
posted on May 17, 2010, 2:09 PM 0
But here is why your scenario doesn't work with the whole red shirt... Imagine my employer firing me because I wore a red shirt and he associates it with anger and doesn't want that in his company. Ordinarily, that would be unfair, but if we are going to use this as a mirror of Apple and the App Store then we have to add in one more thing. The day that my employer offered me the job, he told me that he makes decisions whether or not to keep someone based on his own feelings of them and the things they do. So in taking this job, the employer tells me there is a chance that he could let me go on a whim. Now, it was my decision to take the job or find employment elsewhere. That's the thing. People get so mad about Apple making decisions because they want to, but folks also know from the start that this is what Apple does. Apple doesn't go out and proclaim they have an open App Store. They warn folks before hand that Apple can remove an App that has been approved for reasons of their own. You've been warned, stop acting like it is a big shock when something comes up
posted on May 17, 2010, 3:04 PM 0
You seem to forget that people don't really have a choice. And that is because the app store is the biggest and most successful store out there. It's not a choice. Its either you get the highest profit possible out of what you do - or you don't. Thats why people complain about it's policy frequently. Imagine that all the jobs in the world would have almost a non-existent salary, and there would be one unique job, that pays very well, and that to work in you had to train really hard for, and then your employer would get this whole red colored shirt thing. It's not a choice. Its either to be or not to be. And I don't think that the CEO can just decide one day to make such and such decision, if it isn't backed up by concrete statistics and research. Its that same as if the president would just declare war on some nation just because "he feels like it".
posted on May 17, 2010, 6:50 PM 0
Okay, I'm sorry ilia1986, but that's absolute crap. The Android Market Place has literally tens of thousands of apps. So does the Blackberry App World. Of course the iPhone is going to have the most Apps, it was the first to start this App Store revolution. Developers will go where they can reach the most people and right now, as headlines have proven, Andriod is being used by more people than the iPhone. But saying people have no choice is crap. That's like saying me having an iMac means I don't have a choice because there are far more programs for a PC than there is a Mac. I love my iMac and wouldn't dream of hitting up a PC again...but that was my choice to make. My iMac does exactly the same thing a PC does. I just chose one over the other.
posted on May 18, 2010, 6:46 AM 0
You don't get it. Its not the people who have no choice - they certainly do. Its the developers. Developers will not go where they can reach the most people. They will go where they can reach the most PROFIT. And you said it yourself: "Of course the iPhone is going to have the most Apps, it was the first to start this App Store revolution." More apps = more profit, especially considering that very few countries can actually download paid apps right now from the android market. As for Rim\Nokia\palm - I wont' even mention them. They are very very small time stores compared to the Appstore\market. Its not the consumers who complain the most that apple has blocked one app or another. Its the developers. And without the developers - without the profit - no app store can ever exist.
posted on May 18, 2010, 8:26 AM 0
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Comparing a CEO to the Presdient is completly (for the lack of a better word) ignorant. The President has to abide by the laws set forth prior to him taking the oath of office. The laws are not and were not set by the president. Now when you mention a CEO they MAKE the rules can CHANGE the rules and WILL change the rules as they see fit.
posted on May 18, 2010, 12:54 PM 0
Ah and you obviously believe that Apple is ruled solely by Steve.. that there is no board of directors, as well as foreign investors and stock holders who watch very closely what Mr. Jobs does with the company. And even IF he just can change the rules as he sees fit - he can't just do that based on gut feelings, and not from a buisiness standpoint. If he did - that would be unwise. And he is not a man who makes unwise decisions.
posted on May 18, 2010, 1:32 PM 0
Don't try and downplay RIM and Android as if they are irrelavant. They aren't and there is a lot of money to be made there. I just don't agree with you. There is a choice. You can make apps for different Phone OS's and make a good amount of money doing so. If Apple is the devil then don't do business with them. If you do business with the devil then expect to get burned. But don't act all, "Gosh, I didn't know that if I touched the fire, I'd get hurt..." crap. If I invest my time and money into an iPhone app, I will do so with the thought that it might get rejected. I can't get too pissed off knowing that before hand. And here's another thing...this whole App Store business has only been around for two years. Although a developer can make a good amount making Apps...I'm sure they have other avenues to make money if they don't want to work with Apple and the iPhone. Choices...
posted on May 18, 2010, 1:51 PM 0
I seriously don't think that we should all take for granted that if one develops an app, it might get rejected by apple just because Steve woke up on the wrong side this morning. People don't invest in a place in which there is a good possibility for all their investment to be worthless. Yet, the iPhone store is still the biggest around, and has the most downloads by far compared to Android not to mention all the other insignificant stuff. That equals to big bucks being had. So yeah - if I were a dev, and I'd develop an iPhone app, because you know - its the most profitable place to develop an app for, Id be insanely pissed if Steve just decides to ban my app, because it was a words-game app - and one of the words contained the letters S-E-X. And no - I certainly wouldn't just say "Oh well, I will just develop a similar app for android\RIM" - because developing an app takes time, and is you know - hard work. And from what I gathered - a lot of those app devs DO have their profit based on app development. They might just be students searchng for some extra cash, or something like that - but it does represent their primary source of profit. Thats why I feel for them. Steve just robbed them of their choice - the choice to make an app for his appstore. And if he continues to do that on a daily basis - more and more devs will get pissed - the appstore will cease to be the cash heaven it is today, and become like the Ovi store is now. Or even worse than that (if thats at all possible to imagine).
posted on May 18, 2010, 2:19 PM 0
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If there is "freedom" whatsoever to Apple's product, nobody had to go through all the trouble (really?) to jailbreak the damn devices, LOL.
posted on May 17, 2010, 11:19 AM 0
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I love all the whiny crybabies on here about censorship this or that. Plenty of stores and companies decide what they will or will not offer. It's a conpany's right to pick and choose what they will or will not sell. Besides if you're really pining for porn on your iDevice (pun intended), there are plenty of places to get it online. Mobile Safari isn't keeping you from your precious porn. Grow up.
posted on May 17, 2010, 11:46 AM 0
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LOL the only reason for the change in content is due to Jobs having children now. What does this mean? MR Steve Jobs is no Saint. He had adult contect on his iphone, and until just recently too. Then his child picked up his phone and found these sweet apps. For good face to MRS Jobs, STEVE-O said: "Woops!, don't worry hunny, I'll get rid of it, I promiss ;) " So now that he has kids, he all of a sudden has morals against the humanity he had enjoyed before child bearing. His "Vision", I'm certain didn't include the escape and public swooning of TWO pre-release iphones 4G into the wild. So, now, bumping up security on his house, offices and phones should be the way it works out. NOT erasing content due to a new false sense of morality. Steve. We all know you know the power of the Va jay jay. You have kids. proof is in the pudding. To convince your wife that you think only about hers, plain old gulibility.
posted on May 17, 2010, 11:52 AM 0
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