Intel executive says 14nm Bay Trail chip provides more power and energy efficiency than Apple's A7
posted by Alan F. / Oct 16, 2013, 1:22 PM
Krzanich responded by comparing Intel's Bay Trail silicon to the Apple A7. He noted that the difference between using the 28nm process on the A7 and the 22nm process on its Bay Trail allowed the latter to have a higher transistor density which allows for a more energy efficient, powerful chip. The executive also touched on price stating that a traditionally designed laptop powered by the Intel Bay Trail processor can sell at retail for as low as "$299, which is a new real price point for a touch-enabled devices, so we see it continuing to grow as we enter next year."
Samsung is expected to start producing 64 bit Exynos 6 chips from a 14nm process. Those chips are should be powering up some of Samsung's mobile devices next year. Speaking of a 64 bit processor, when discussing the Apple A7, Qualcomm CMO Anand Chandrasekher originally called it a gimmick that was useless to Apple iPhone 5s users. Before you could snap your fingers, Qualcomm did a 180 degree change and called Chandrasekher's comments inaccurate. Ouch! Getting thrown under a bus has got to hurt.
source: CNET via BGR
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The a7 is weak with apples ios7 being used to fake benchmarks. Intel is about to begin its invasion into mobile, the snapdragon 800 is horrible compared to a quad core baytrail.
posted on Oct 16, 2013, 1:27 PM 3
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No way man. A7 is a great mobile processor. It was nothing to do with the fact that it's 64 bit either. Unfortunately it's trapped inside a tiny phony who's restricted OS doesn't make use of it at all other than one or two games.
posted on Oct 16, 2013, 1:33 PM 23
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that restricted OS with A7 has beaten S800 with 2x more FPS in graphics benchmarks and almost same results for cpu scores and S800 is 2.3 GHz monster but A7 is 1.3 as i remember. what is main reason for that? yes sir, main reason is OS. may be iOS7 is not the best but anyway it can beat quad core 2.3 ghz cpu with android 4.2.x running on it. i'm not apple fan. i'm nokia fan (not MS) optimization and once again optimization makes those miracles out of those "slow" CPUs. on of the first was ARM11 on nokia 808 and 701 not even minimal lag on a single core that was optimized symbian doing that job.
posted on Oct 16, 2013, 2:45 PM 10
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Yea, because graphics heavy games are all played on the CPU, and really that is the only thing that is running in the system at all. /sarcasm You have to be pretty retarded to peg FPS to the cpu in any high detail gaming environment. Hats off to PowerVR for their excellent design and optimizations. Though the A7 does get thrashed in pure core heavy benchmarks such as the physics test in 3d mark. Otherwise the A7 only wins when single or dual core tests are conducted and it doesn't even win them all. Not that the A7 is a bad chip, its is an amazing good cpu, but over blown in its reputation by people who know little about how tech actually functions. Just like the idiot analyst who asked about the process shrink, there is no question about it. The process shrink is advantageous whether you like it or not, less power and cheaper to produce. They don't shrink the die so they can increase performance, they do it for economics and power reasons.
posted on Oct 16, 2013, 3:56 PM 2
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, the cores on the A7 are massive.. each core is a lot bigger than the rest (about 2x or more the size). The A7 its actually the largest ARM chip on a phone.. That why it gets that great performance with 2 cores at those frequencies... and on the GPU its nowhere near 2x the performance of the s800, it's barely better...
posted on Oct 16, 2013, 3:57 PM 0
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2x more FPS? Are you naively counting the on-screen GFX benchmarks of each of the phones? Cuz you know they're different resolutions. Main reason for the great performance is the architecture. The ARMv8 64bit architecture is outstanding.
posted on Oct 16, 2013, 8:08 PM 3
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S800 is an SoC that provides power, performance, efficiency, connectivity, antenna and other benefits for the OEMs in one place thus reducing cost of production and increasing profit margins. When Intel's BayTrail starts offering this and more, OEMs will start to include Intel made SoCs. Till then Qualcomm will rule.
posted on Oct 16, 2013, 2:51 PM 4
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For gosh sake, when will you stop spewing this deluded crap of yours?? Intel whore, get a freking clue for once. And get this through your skull - at the very least, Snapdragon 800 is comparable to a TABLET version quad core Bay Trail in terms of CPU, and clearly superior in terms of GPU. Add an integrated LTE modem, dedicated motion and imaging processing units, all packed into a 50$ piece of sillicon and you get a product that rightfully dominates the SoC space. Again, Bay Trail wins in JS browser benchmarks but those are heavily software based, single threaded tests that show next to nothing on raw processing potential. The only cross platform benchmark that is trying to measure raw processing is Geekbench. And there, a phone Snapdragon 800 actually smokes Intel's tablet BT chip.
posted on Oct 16, 2013, 3:15 PM 0
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At more than a 10 nanometer advantage I would certainly hope that is the case... Their chips on a similar process seems to at best match the top offerings which would seem to indicate that their designs aren't all that better than the competition.
posted on Oct 16, 2013, 1:35 PM 1
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Apple will die one day
posted on Oct 16, 2013, 1:45 PM 10
I sure hope not. When Apple does die, the competition rate between companies will go down, and phones won't continue to grow as fast with pushed ideas and tech. Think about it, rather than replying with an easy to say "fanboy" response.
posted on Oct 16, 2013, 2:06 PM 4
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Hehehe, the iPhone and Apple are already dying. Where do you think samsung,htc,LG and other OEM's are getting their sales from?.....lol
posted on Oct 16, 2013, 2:01 PM 0
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LOL....What does this graph tell you? http://tctechcrunch2011.files.
Do you see a negative number next to Apple? You just went full potato bro.
posted on Oct 16, 2013, 2:15 PM 2
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Really? I didn't realize market share had finally been monetized. So, I guess all that market share has rescued HTC, LG, Motorola, and the rest from their slide toward insolvency? I know, you will say that having dominant market share will finally tip developers toward thinking Android first, leaving iOS to pick up dev scraps like WP8. Wait, that hasn't happened? You said "market share...is where it really counts," right? How can this be that NOTHING has changed? Apple still makes truckloads of money AND gets all the great apps first? Insanity, I tell you, insanity.
posted on Oct 16, 2013, 8:58 PM 0
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Anandtech showed the A7 in a dead heat with Bay Trail even with the more advanced fab process.
posted on Oct 16, 2013, 3:10 PM 0
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