Huawei: Rumors of spying are "groundless speculation"; company shipped 153 million phones in 2017

Huawei CEO Richard Yu has said that the company's goal is to leap frog over Apple and Samsung to become the largest smartphone manufacturer in the world. To help it achieve that goal, the company hoped to partner with the two largest U.S. wireless operators. Verizon and AT&T were prepared to add the Huawei Mate 10 Pro to their lineups earlier this year, but those deals fell through after the U.S. government became vocal about Huawei's close ties to the Chinese government. Last month, U.S. lawmakers warned Americans not to buy or use Huawei products. In the back of their minds was a report from 2012 that claimed Huawei and ZTE use their phones and networking equipment to spy on U.S. corporations and consumers.

Not only did Verizon and AT&T decide not to carry the Mate 10 Pro, Best Buy recently announced that once it is out of Mate 10 Pro inventory, it doesn't plan on ordering any more Huawei branded products. Actually, while Huawei is getting hit in the pocketbook, U.S. consumers are missing out on the opportunity to buy the just unveiled Huawei P20 Pro with its high-end specs and a triple camera setup in back.

Calling the U.S. governments' talk of spying "groundless speculation," Yu says that Huawei is not giving up on the U.S. "We recognize we are not a known brand in the U.S., and we need to build our brand here," Yu said. "Our first step is to win the trust of consumers." Figuring out how to do that, however, is going to be difficult.

Yu thinks that even if Huawei remains shut out of the U.S. market, it can still overtake Samsung and Apple. Today, Huawei announced that for all of 2017 it shipped 153 million phones (including sub-brand honor) as handset revenue rose 32% Samsung shipped 317.1 million units last year, while Apple shipped 215.8 million according to IDC.

source: Huawei, CNET



1. toukale

Posts: 624; Member since: Jun 10, 2015

So, weren't Huawei telling everyone they passed Apple last year as the second leading device oem's around? How did they do that when Apple sold over 60 million devices then them? To put it into persperctive Apple is moving that many devices with an average selling price of $698 compare to Samsung and Huawei in low $200's. Another reason I never compare those guys to Apple, they are not playing in the same league.

7. kiko007

Posts: 7493; Member since: Feb 17, 2016

Whomever said they were playing in the same league was delusional off jump. I can't believe anybody ever thought something so ridiculous on good faith.

11. Subie

Posts: 2356; Member since: Aug 01, 2015

Yup, and even if Huawei manages to sell more phones than Apple - profitability is a completely different story...

33. jubermayu

Posts: 3; Member since: Nov 22, 2017

so u think paying more margin to companies like Apple make's sense, after all you should think about end user also....whats the point in giving unnecessary margin to make them more profitable...

34. Subie

Posts: 2356; Member since: Aug 01, 2015

I wasn't saying anything about what you or I should pay regarding the tech we choose. I was simply pointing to the fact that right now Apple is the most profitable brand on the planet. You can buy from whatever company you feel like supporting. Cheers.

18. CreeDiddy

Posts: 2150; Member since: Nov 04, 2011

Your absolutely correct! It would take Android companies nearly need to double their sales to get close to the revenue and profits numbers of Apple.

20. GalaxyLeads_iCrapFollows

Posts: 216; Member since: Nov 29, 2017

You Apple fanboys are delusional. All of the important and expensive iphone components are sold to Apple by Samsung and LG. Samsung and LG profit tremendously from every Iphone sold. It's these two companies, especially Samsung, that makes the iphone even possible. You are uninformed to say Samsung is not in the same league as Apple. You would be a complete idiot to lump Samsung with those pos chink brands like huawei.

22. rouyal

Posts: 1576; Member since: Jan 05, 2018

Username checks out.

28. Arch_Fiend

Posts: 3951; Member since: Oct 03, 2015

TSMC makes Apple chips as well.

21. Tziggy14

Posts: 624; Member since: Sep 02, 2014

IPhone sales have been near flat for a few years now. Huawei could catch them sooner than you think at this current growth.

8. Tech-shake

Posts: 213; Member since: Nov 14, 2016

Statistics show that almost all of the iPhone purchased in the Us and Europe are through carriers plans. On the other hand, Huawei and Samsung, which sell most of their smartphones outside the US sell them upfront with no carriers plans. That’s why when you look at the bigger picture, carrier plan vs no carrier plan, the two offerings come down to similar value( not price) levels.

10. kiko007

Posts: 7493; Member since: Feb 17, 2016

Mind actually showing us said statistics? You seem to believe what you're saying... but I have my doubts considering: A) The majority of Samsung's flagships are sold in America and B) If what you stated were actually the case, would the ASP(s) for each of these companies reflect that?

15. Tech-shake

Posts: 213; Member since: Nov 14, 2016 Sorry for not including the source in the original post. The profit made by each company is unaffected, Apple still makes much more profit selling iPhones than Samsung or Huawei make selling phones. The only difference here is that carriers are handling the money split ,delay of receiving the full iPhone price.

19. Gadgetex

Posts: 194; Member since: Nov 10, 2013

That is true but many carriers abroad now like in Taiwan and Hong Kong see locals buying phones via carrier.

24. cocoy

Posts: 456; Member since: Oct 30, 2015

I think what they were referring to was the sales for the last quarter of 2017 not the whole year. Spying speculation will hurt their sales numbers even more unless the ordinary citizen realizes that the Chinese government will not get anything from them. A confidential information from the government is not usually disseminated to to ordinary citizens. Most of the time, confidential and security issues are handled by government officials.

32. Bondurant

Posts: 780; Member since: Jun 04, 2014

Ban Apple in China and that is 11 million less sales for Apple phone and skyrocketing of manufacturing price of Apple phones.

46. kapajs

Posts: 1; Member since: Apr 02, 2018

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2. Babadook

Posts: 230; Member since: May 24, 2016

US Government just trying to start a fire with China based off nothing. Shocker.

3. Tipus

Posts: 858; Member since: Sep 30, 2016

Yup, same as Kaspersky spying for Russia :)) .

4. rsiders

Posts: 1935; Member since: Nov 17, 2011

Great so maybe the US government can let these guys compete here. Their new offerings are where it's at right now.

12. therealestmc

Posts: 679; Member since: Jul 23, 2012

Perhaps China can let the US companies compete in China without manipulating their currency and making US companies jumping through hoops the Chinese companies don't have to. I don't like the president and his administration but I agree with the decision to stifle Chinese companies in the US market until they start playing fair with our companies.

17. mootu

Posts: 1503; Member since: Mar 16, 2017

Are you joking, do you know what the government there give to Foxconn to build it's giant iPhone factory in Zhengzhou. Built and partly financed the construction of a huge manufacturing complex at a cost of $600 million. Spent around $1 billion to build housing that could accommodate hundreds of thousands of workers. Provides a discount that reduces the cost of power by 5 percent annually. Built infrastructure, including power generators and a 24-kilometer pipeline Eliminated corporate taxes and value added taxes for five years, then halved the usual rate for the next five years. Granted a $250 million loan from the municipal treasury. Helps recruit and train workers, as well as paying subsidies for new hires. Lowered the amount of social insurance and other payments by up to $100 million a year. Offers bonuses tied to the growth of exports. Pays out a subsidy to help defray the cost of shipping goods. And thats just part of it. All that to build a phone for an American owned company, but according to you the Chinese don't play fair with US business.

23. Subie

Posts: 2356; Member since: Aug 01, 2015

Actually if anything you just helped prove therelestmc's point. Words in your first line "give to Foxconn". Foxconn is a Chinese company mate. That means that the Government gave Foxconn money to help Foxconn compete against all others. If you wanted to compare apples to apples to prove your point then you would've had to show by example: China helping an American manufacturing company start up a plant in China to compete AGAINST Foxcomm...

25. jacky899

Posts: 430; Member since: May 16, 2017

Foxconn is a Taiwanese brand. Taiwan is an important ally of the US. Taiwan and China are adversaries far worst than the US and China.

29. mootu

Posts: 1503; Member since: Mar 16, 2017

"If you wanted to compare apples to apples to prove your point then you would've had to show by example: China helping an American manufacturing company start up a plant in China to compete AGAINST Foxcomm..." As Jacky899 has stated Foxconn is a Taiwanese company not Chinese. Why would American companys want to build plants in China when it's far cheaper to pay Foxconn to manfacture for them. The plants, infrastructure and supply routes are already in place. They don't just manufacture for Apple either it's US customers include, Apple Amazon Cisco Dell Google Hewlett Packard InFocus Intel Microsoft Vizio All these US companys gain from the benefits Foxconn receives.

35. Subie

Posts: 2356; Member since: Aug 01, 2015

Yes, you and Jacky are right about Foxconn being Taiwanese. From that perspective I see your point better. Though China may disagree about Taiwan being its own sovereign nation. Those tech companies you listed though are paying customers of Foxconn, and not competitors. How does China help those companies compete in China against other Tech companies like Lenovo for instance? Remember, Apple was a paying customer of Foxconn long before they were allowed to sell their phones in China. And Apple did have to make concessions before the latter was allowed to happen...

38. mootu

Posts: 1503; Member since: Mar 16, 2017

Apple still has to make concessions now, every phone they release in China has to go through a security audit, thats why iPhones tend to release a few weeks later over there, and they must store the data on Chinese soil,but at least they are still welcomed to sell thier products in China, no such courtesy has been given to Huawei in the US.

40. Subie

Posts: 2356; Member since: Aug 01, 2015

I can't argue with your point here. Have you ever used the Chinese app WeChat? You could if you wanted to. Now try and use apps like Viber, Whatsapp, Facebook, Twitter, Google services in China. All foreign companies who's products are blocked from use or restricted in the Chinese market in the name of national security. As a foreigner try buying Land in China. Now as a foreigner try buying land in the US. The difference is that one of these countries outright prohibits this. Guess which one... So while it does seem like the US is being unreasonable China is still a far more restrictive nation, and that goes far beyond tech.

39. jacky899

Posts: 430; Member since: May 16, 2017

If the US would allow Huawei or any other large Chinese companies make a few concessions inorder to sell in the US, the Chinese companies would be dancing in joy. In comparison China has been much more receptive to US companies and foreign companies in general, which is beneficial for a capitalistic global economy. If China retaliates by adopting this protectionistic behavior of the US, it will be bad for the US and the rest of the world. It would be really easy for China to ban all US products from being sold in China because of national security reasons since it has been PROVEN time after time that NSA backdoors are embedded in US electronic products and US have been caught spying on countries all over the world. Even the Snowden leaks alone can prove this. On the other hand there is zero evidence to date of Huawei spying and their products have been used by hundreds of millions of people in Europe and Asia

41. Subie

Posts: 2356; Member since: Aug 01, 2015

Read post 40. ZTE currently sells phones in the US, so there is one phone manufacturer. Please don't pretend as if Chinese companies are all blocked from selling their products here. Just a quick look on Walmart or Amazon and you'll see many Chinese products(not just made in China) but from Chinese companies selling their products All over North America. "US have been caught spying on countries all over the world" I agree with this statement. But newsflash - all Nations have been caught spying on other nations around the Globe using modern tech...

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