No Google apps, no licensed version of Android for the Huawei Mate 30 series

No Google apps, no licensed version of Android for the Huawei Mate 30 series
The other day, Huawei said that it was planning on using the Google Play services version of Android for its upcoming Mate 30 series. The company said that if it wasn't allowed to obtain a license from Google, it would resort to Plan B. It is now time for Huawei to call on Plan B. Reuters reports today that a Google spokesman has told the wire service that the Mate 30 and Mate 30 Pro cannot be sold with Google licensed apps and services due to Huawei's placement on the Entity List. The Chinese manufacturer plans on unveiling its latest high-end phones on September 19th.

It was the middle of May when the U.S. Commerce Department, citing security, put Huawei on the Entity List thus preventing it from accessing the U.S. supply chain it spent $11 billion on last year. Google was one of the first companies to announce that it was cutting ties with the company, and while it does have the ability to update existing models and devices in the works prior to May 16th, the Mate 30 series does not meet that requirement. Reuters says that the U.S. Commerce Department received 130 applications for licenses from American companies that would allow them to ship supplies to Huawei; reportedly, none of the requests have been granted.

Huawei could use an open-source version of Android for the Mate 30 series

Google has said in the last week that it wants to continue servicing Huawei, but unless the company becomes a bargaining chip in the U.S. trade war with China (which is something that President Donald Trump has alluded to), that might not be happening any time soon. It is all because the communist Chinese government is allowed to demand that Huawei collect intelligence for it upon request. As a result, there is a fear that the manufacturer's devices contain backdoors ready to act as a conduit to Beijing. Huawei has always denied this and chairman ‎Liang Hua has offered to sign a "No-Spy" contract with any country.

Huawei has developed its own HarmonyOS operating system that will work on multiple devices and supposedly run Android apps. But the company doesn't want to use it on its high-end phones. One possibility is that Huawei can use an open-source version of Android without Google's apps; this is what Amazon does with its Fire tablets and did with its Fire Phone. However, one independent analyst by the name of Richard Windsor says that without the Google Play services version of Android, no one will buy the Mate 30 models.

Just last week, Huawei's rotating chairman Eric Xu said that the export ban would cost the company's consumer business group $10 billion in revenue this year. That is an improvement from an earlier estimate of $30 billion in lost revenue made by Huawei founder and CEO Ren Zhengfei back in June. The company, under normal circumstances, expected to become the largest smartphone manufacturer in the world by the fourth quarter of this year. The Mate 30 line was expected to play a huge part in Huawei's surge to the top. During both the first and second quarters of this year, Huawei was second to Samsung with global shipments of approximately 59 million units during each quarter. This means that the company has delivered 118 million phones halfway through the year; last year, the company shipped 206 million phones globally.

If one good thing has come out of the ban as far as Huawei is concerned, domestic sales of its phones have risen. Out of patriotism, consumers in China are buying more Huawei handsets than ever.



1. Sweetcheese

Posts: 44; Member since: Aug 23, 2018

The comment section will be lit

2. maherk

Posts: 7065; Member since: Feb 10, 2012

And I was delaying my decision to buy the Note 10 so that I won't regret buying it when the Mate 30 Pro gets announced.

12. mahalo15

Posts: 84; Member since: Nov 30, 2018

Mate 30 is DOA

13. Venom

Posts: 4004; Member since: Dec 14, 2017

Maherk is a Huawei apologist, so reasoning with him in regards to Huawei's shady behavior is pretty much the equivalent of talking to a brick wall.

16. mahalo15

Posts: 84; Member since: Nov 30, 2018

He's probably is a 50 cent party member (Chinese online army of keyboard warriors).

17. maherk

Posts: 7065; Member since: Feb 10, 2012

Actually it's dead even before arrival.

42. Venom

Posts: 4004; Member since: Dec 14, 2017

Lulz I wouldn't be surprised if true. Him and the mean guy riding his jock.

43. meanestgenius

Posts: 22847; Member since: May 28, 2014

With the way you are jumping so giddily at every word some dude obsessed with 50 cent is, you should dial down the hypocrisy.

48. Venom

Posts: 4004; Member since: Dec 14, 2017

You mean like you are doing right now, RHT?

49. meanestgenius

Posts: 22847; Member since: May 28, 2014

Nah, I mean with the way you’re doing right now.

18. meanestgenius

Posts: 22847; Member since: May 28, 2014

Venom, You have yet to prove anything concrete regarding Huawei’s supposed shady behavior. But, as you are a Huawei hater, reasoning with you in regards to this being more U.S. shady politics is pretty much equivalent to talking to a brick wall.

21. maherk

Posts: 7065; Member since: Feb 10, 2012

What's funny, is that he was hiding in his mom's basement yesterday when there was an article about Huawei's market's share increase despite the ban.

23. meanestgenius

Posts: 22847; Member since: May 28, 2014

Lol, so true. He only comes out to attack Huawei if there is an article that is negative about them. Other than that, he's quieter than a church mouse.

34. Cicero

Posts: 1159; Member since: Jan 22, 2014

When you will read about the proof it will be too late. I has been reading today about a copy, with stealing plans, of F35 Stealth made by Chinese. For sure it is to late for now to do something about it.

37. meanestgenius

Posts: 22847; Member since: May 28, 2014

Or, I won't read about it at all because there is no concrete proof. However, there is a whole lot of proof that my own government spies on it's citizens every day, and there has even been many things out there that say they are using Google, Apple, Microsoft and Facebook to do it.

41. ShadowHammer

Posts: 213; Member since: Mar 13, 2015

Considering what a ridiculous money pit and time waste the F35 project has been for the US military, I'm not sure that's the best design for the Chinese to thieve.

19. maherk

Posts: 7065; Member since: Feb 10, 2012

How is me saying that Huawei is screwed without Google's services translates to me defending them in this instance? Lol You're so butthurt over what happened to your Nexus 6p, that you still blindly attack Huawei and anyone who uses/used their products.

24. meanestgenius

Posts: 22847; Member since: May 28, 2014

It's clear he just wants to pick a fight with you. So much so that he's literally ignoring what you actually have said.

3. MsPooks

Posts: 311; Member since: Jul 08, 2019

A win for Huawei users! 60% faster OS, full Android app compatibility, no Google spyware, and lower prices due to lack of licensing fees. Whoop whoop!


Posts: 432; Member since: Sep 29, 2015

An untested OS selling price at around $1000. No google equals no form of protection. Means a loss for Huawei, Google will loose out a heavy amount of foreign sells, but Samsung mid-range is helping them.

8. MsPooks

Posts: 311; Member since: Jul 08, 2019

Google's own Play Store is the biggest vector for malware already, so "no form of protection" is a little dubious. Huawei's been working on, and testing, their proprietary OS for years now. It's time to deploy. Once you see the Mate's cinematic cameras in action, you'll be eating crow.

9. CDexterWard

Posts: 138; Member since: Feb 05, 2018

Huawei execs will obviously say anything to gain consumer confidence. I’m all for another OS in this tiring two horse race, but you’ve thrown nothing but speculation and marketing propaganda out here for untested software. Maybe wait and see before they punch your ticket for the hype train?

46. Plutonium239

Posts: 1262; Member since: Mar 17, 2015

Huawei has stated that they will not be putting that os on a phone as yet. Harmony os is not ready to replace android.

44. cgigate

Posts: 5; Member since: Aug 28, 2019

LoL, Google never protects you, Google only stealing from you. Chinese phones (for Chinese market) never have Google craps. They have the best mobile market in the world, no cash world, most transactions are done by mobile.

6. maherk

Posts: 7065; Member since: Feb 10, 2012

How is it a win for us when they haven't even tried their own OS on their budget lineup as was planned? You can't just sell a premium device, for a hefty premium price, based on hardware only! Almost no one is going to invest a thousand dollars on a device that has no apps, or who has to sideload bunch of apks to get it working.

7. MsPooks

Posts: 311; Member since: Jul 08, 2019

Well, are you a fan, or aren't you? The phone will still have the killer camera, killer battery life, killer build quality, and an OS that's even better than Android. Why do they need to "try" it? They haven't needed to. As for the apps, a third-party app store partnership takes care of that. Huawei execs have repeatedly stated they're not worried about the ban. Why are you?

10. Cyberchum

Posts: 1142; Member since: Oct 24, 2012

Really? You epitomize a fanboy… uhmm, fangirl, and that's not compliment.

11. maherk

Posts: 7065; Member since: Feb 10, 2012

Not true. What they actually said was that Harmony OS was tested and built around home appliances and smart gadgets not named smartphones. Based on the words of Huawei's CEO, the man himself admitted that they don't see their phones not running on Android anytime soon, and they have no replacement for it anytime soon. So yeah, enough with your fanboyish claims and speculations, because as of right now, Huawei are in a huge mess.

36. Cicero

Posts: 1159; Member since: Jan 22, 2014

Third party app stores will have my banks apps, my clouds drives, my job apps? I do not think so. Failure, for now, it is calling.

14. mahalo15

Posts: 84; Member since: Nov 30, 2018

Scenario 1 Google/Apple use your data to improve services and user experience, while google also try to sell you some ads. Scenario 2 Chinese govt use your personal data to track your online activities and if you happen to have criticized govt or its policies on social media etc especially if you're a dissident or ethnic minority then a very good chance of getting detained on landing in China on you next trip. You do realize that they filter 1.4 billion citizens data over The Great Firewall. Those filters do work very well in containing type and source of information.

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