Has Microsoft quietly killed off Windows 10 Mobile?

Has Microsoft quietly killed off Windows 10 Mobile?
Microsoft's recent release of the Creators update of Windows 10 Mobile is very limited. Only 13 models supporting the platform are able to update to this new variant of Windows 10 Mobile. Of the 13, only 6 are Lumia branded handsets. And now, Microsoft has removed the Upgrade Advisor app that allowed Windows Phone 8.1 handsets to update to Windows 10 Mobile. Add to that the report that the Windows Insider app no longer offers new builds of Windows 10 Mobile for Windows Phone 8.1 users, and well, Windows Phone's goose is seemingly cooked.

For example, let's take a model that was originally shipped with Windows Phone 8.1, is now running Windows 10 Mobile, and is no longer supported by the Insider app. If someone with such a handset wants to downgrade back to Windows Phone 8.1, he/she won't be able to bring Windows 10 Mobile back to the phone afterward. This seems to go against comments that Microsoft software engineer Dona Sarkar tweeted to a fan last year. She said that Microsoft was dedicated to supporting Windows 10 Mobile and would "drive demand for the Lumia line." What she apparently meant was that Microsoft would drive a stake through Windows 10 Mobile and Lumia's hearts.

Instead, it seems that Microsoft is finally ready to pack it in as far as Windows Phone, Windows 10 Mobile and the Lumia name is concerned. With an embarrassing low market share, what else can Microsoft do? Windows 10 Mobile users simply want to know what Microsoft has in mind for the platform so they know whether to finally give in themselves and buy that Samsung Galaxy S8 or Apple iPhone 7 that they've been eyeing.

Speaking of the Galaxy S8, Microsoft has decided that if you can't beat them, join them. It is selling a Microsoft edition of the Samsung Galaxy S8 which will feature Microsoft built apps like Office, OneDrive, Skype, and Outlook. This actually is a very good idea for Microsoft because it owns a ton of Android patents. In fact, it makes more money licensing these patents to Android manufacturers each year then it ever did selling phones with their own mobile OS inside.

source: MSPoweruser



1. lyndon420

Posts: 6914; Member since: Jul 11, 2012

I'm pretty sure only one or two people on here will be surprised by this. Unless Android dies off they don't stand a chance with a mobile OS of their own.

23. yann

Posts: 614; Member since: Jul 15, 2010

Maybe you're right. But there is one thing: all supported phones from Lumia brand are made by Microsoft. They abandoned Lumia 930, which is with stronger CPU GPU than 640, 650 etc. but it is made by NOKIA. Produced, developed by NOKIA. Not by Microsoft. The poor excuse of Dona Sarkar, that they will not support L930, because of NEGATIVE FEEDBACK?!? WTF Mrs. Sarkar? Are you just pretty stupid face? Or you think that we are stupid? If the feedback is negative, your job and the job of your teams is to make it positive - to FIX THE F$CKING BUGS. And you just abandoned it. How courage of you! Get the hell out of the mobile world together with all Microsoft $hits. Company without mobile had no future. Be well.

25. adi90

Posts: 554; Member since: Dec 21, 2015

Who cares ?

2. MrElectrifyer

Posts: 3960; Member since: Oct 21, 2014

Even more reasons for me to appreciate my decision of never considering a windows phone...doubt even a Surface Phone would stand a chance of saving windows mobile if Samsung releases a Note 8 that materializes this their patent ( https://is.gd/Dqt6HK ) with full Windows 10 ARM.

4. lyndon420

Posts: 6914; Member since: Jul 11, 2012

Rumors of a surface phone have definitely died off. Now I am curious though what incentives there are for buying a microsoft edition S8 when you can just buy a stock S8 and install whichever microsoft apps you like.

7. sgodsell

Posts: 7605; Member since: Mar 16, 2013

The Microsoft S8 edition comes with the dex doc. It's a docing station that allows the S8 to plug directly into a TV or monitor, with a keyboard and mouse. So the S8 has Windows like features with Android. In other words you can have multiple windows open with word, Excel, a browser, and more open at the same time.

10. lyndon420

Posts: 6914; Member since: Jul 11, 2012

Oh really? I can see the appeal for such functionality. Now I'm curious to know if this will be exclusive to Samsung or not.

30. sgodsell

Posts: 7605; Member since: Mar 16, 2013

Well Microsoft had this with their own docing station before this using Continuum. However the Lumia 950 and XL versions are now dated. Both using the SD 808 and 810 SoCs. As you many already know some OEMs like Sony, LG, and a few others offered some form of multi window functionality as well. However all Android Nougat running devices offer split screen multitasking. So you could use miracast or a Chromecast and do split screen multitasking on a monitor or TV, wirelessly. Without the need to use any docing station.

3. KingSam

Posts: 1513; Member since: Mar 13, 2016

Surface phone would be a nice device. That wont save a company. They want mass appeal.

5. DoggyDangerous

Posts: 1028; Member since: Aug 28, 2015

Finally Microsoft is moving in a right direction. They should have killed windows 5 years ago.

6. Bankz

Posts: 2550; Member since: Apr 08, 2016

There will be no surface phone. Dont know why people believe that such a thing exists anywhere even. Its a myth.

8. Settings

Posts: 2943; Member since: Jul 02, 2014

Well, PA wants to kill MS. They never got traffic and user comments on Microsoft articles so for them MS is better off dead. They just removed the apps but the Microsoft store still serves mobile devices. But I won't be shocked if they officially killed it. They are a software company in the first place with the exception of their successful hardwares like the Xbox and Surface.

40. nasznjoka

Posts: 418; Member since: Oct 05, 2012

you used to be a windows phone phanbhoy have you retrenched like your beloved MS

9. krystian

Posts: 423; Member since: Mar 16, 2016

Surface phone won't save anything. It will still have no ecosystem. The argument of having access to win32 apps while in docked mode is silly. People spend more time in mobile mode and the apps aren't there. The ecosystem is what will kill anything MS puts out. Ms needs to build the ecosystem through something innovative like a consumer hololens that is priced right, comfortable, fashionable and comes with some must have games/apps. Just like Nintendo switch is selling mostly because of Zelda. Having such consumer demand for hololens would increase developer presence in their ecosystem. And this would allow them to add any other hardware to this ecosystem. MS is doing the right thing and windows fans are just going nuts and blaming MS for their own bad decisions. Seriously MS never held a gun to their heads to buy windows phone. 99% of the world didn't.

11. SleeperOne

Posts: 370; Member since: Feb 25, 2017

I already use a Windows 10 style launcher and Microsoft services on my Android, never been happier. I really think competition matters but that doesn't matter if the motivation is absolutely nil. Apple and Google have already become cocky with these changes to their mobile platform, many of which nobody even asked for.

20. Back_from_beyond

Posts: 1482; Member since: Sep 04, 2015

I think Google more than any software company has listened to its users. Personally I think Microsoft's biggest problem was the user interface. The live tiles were impractical and completely went against what people were used to, even from Microsoft itself. I believe if Microsoft had stuck to the UI that Windows Mobile 6.5 offered, it would've been more successful, it probably could've given Google and Apple a run for their money. Instead they spent years being indecisive, pursuing a terribly designed mobile OS that even today isn't anywhere near as userfriendly as iOS or Android. People never wanted something diffefent from Microsoft, they wanted more of the same. They tried so hard to be unique that they forgot the most important aspect of the OS: it has to be recognizable and simple. Neither Apple nor Google truly created something new, they just took what people knew and liked and made it better.

27. krystian

Posts: 423; Member since: Mar 16, 2016

I like the tiles, but them being live only really matters for certain things. I mean It's the equivalent of a weather widget where I just see it. If I want more detail I'll open it. The problem is that MS never let users disable the live portion and implementations were all over the place. MS should have enforced a design pattern on those tiles. For example the icon would be the same circle icon within the tile. When it flips it goes to the live portion and users could make them completely transparent and it would look similar to ios/android. Tomb Raider/Deus Ex Go already have tiles like this. They just aren't transparent as MS hasn't enforced it. But they are just the circle icons on a white square. Having impressive theming options could allow for the walled garden approach but with the customization level of android. It's something that Project Neon should do in their newest windows 10 redstone 3 version. Even if it ends up on desktop only. Let users completely transform their UI based on themes they get from store both free/pay.

31. sgodsell

Posts: 7605; Member since: Mar 16, 2013

The problem with the live tiles is just that. Lack of customization with limited tile sizes and colors. With Android you can change the entire UI and make it look and feel like iOS, Windows, or almost anything you want. There is even Windows Phone launchers with adjustable tiles on Android. If Android does this, then why not Windows itself​? The other major issue is the app gap, and the lack of new hardware itself. You have to remember Microsoft is the only one that can add in and support new hardware like newer SoCs, display types and drivers, as well as other types of hardware for their mobile OS. With Android, OEMs could just take Android and add any hardware they like, test, and implement it without going through Google. The same cannot be said for Windows any more. Windows is more closed than ever. No wonder why OEMs didn't go with Windows phone or 10 mobile. But as it stands today Microsoft is making more from Android patents, than it's own Windows mobile platform.


Posts: 2817; Member since: Oct 03, 2012

Alan F is always negative about MS and Windows, did PA even read the official statement from MS about Windows on phones? I guess not! So this article is BS and clickbait!

13. jellmoo

Posts: 2670; Member since: Oct 31, 2011

Windows Phone/Mobile *should* have been a contender. It should have been a viable third option in the mobile landscape. Microsoft just consistently made the worst possible choices and failed to understand how the industry was moving. They sabotaged their own product again and again, and pushed their own fan base away by failing to live up to their promises. Microsoft should be embarrassed by what they did with their product.

14. GreenMan

Posts: 2698; Member since: Nov 09, 2015

Ah! Phoenix... We fall, only to rise...! #RiseFromTheAshes G'luck, Microsoft...! And of course, G'Day!

15. abby4625

Posts: 3; Member since: Nov 08, 2014

what a waste of a great optimized OS by Microsoft just by neglecting its own platform and busy in developing apps for other platforms. Very sad to see the death of windows mobile os which was on par with IOS and even better in optimization compare to android, just lack apps by great software giants specially google which is also the tp rival of Microsoft

16. Lemon99

Posts: 12; Member since: Oct 17, 2016

The answer to the title question is NO. Speculations, rumors, and innuendos just don't cut it. Wait for official statement from MS.

17. kiko007

Posts: 7521; Member since: Feb 17, 2016

That statement will likely never come. Not because the platform can be saved, but because the fall out would be disastrous for MSFT stocks. Another mobile reboot all but spells the impending doom that W10M faces. R.I.P W10M Been a good run, love my M8 for Windows, but it's time to call a spade a spade. Windows just isn't a compelling OS to the general masses, at least in mobile.

18. Crispin_Gatieza

Posts: 3183; Member since: Jan 23, 2014

So Windows 10 is dead because going forward no 8.1 devices will be supported. That is the most asinine statement ever put into print by anyone. I guess Apple is dead too since iOS 10 doesn't support the iPhone 4S. Sounds just as ridiculous as this article right? It's called PROGRESS. The Creator's Update doesn't support the older hardware!!! Exactly how many Androids from 2014 are on Nougat 7.1, not just 7.0 (officially)? Go ahead, I'll wait. The Motorola Nexus 6 was rolled back to 7.0 because it couldn't cut the mustard on 7.1. Is Android doomed as well? What I can't wrap my head around is how an OS with less than 1% worldwide share can scare the everloving dogsh!t out of Android and iOS fans. You're all scared of Microsoft and you KNOW it. That's why there's so much hate for Windows on phones.

26. Subie

Posts: 2438; Member since: Aug 01, 2015

Agreed. This article is just an opinion piece with a sensational title just to get readers to click on it. If MS was more open with what their future plans are regarding mobile, speculative articles like this would be almost none existent. I like windows mobile and want them to keep pushing forward but they need to give us consumers something to cheer for...

28. Crispin_Gatieza

Posts: 3183; Member since: Jan 23, 2014

I agree to a certain point. Neither Apple or Android give out roadmaps to their users so why is Microsoft the only one constantly berated for not doing what the others don't do either? I'm quite sure majority shareholders are told something and Microsoft is the king of issuing Non-Disclosure Agreements (NDA). Creator Update is less than 2 weeks away and Redstone 3 is coming this fall - not exactly a death certificate if you ask me.

35. NFSHesham

Posts: 297; Member since: Feb 04, 2014

The problem is that those win 8.1 devices that do support win 10 and for some reason didn't update they won't be able to update now.

36. NFSHesham

Posts: 297; Member since: Feb 04, 2014

What about the fact tht the last internationally available windows phone device was launched a bit over 2 years ago! Isn't that a death certificate, get manufacturers to produce at least one or 2 phones every year and sell them world wide then we can talk about surviving.

41. Crispin_Gatieza

Posts: 3183; Member since: Jan 23, 2014

Huh? The 950 series was sold as International Versions. In fact, the 950XL had NO carrier variant. Only the 950 was available on AT&T, everything else was sim-free.

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