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EXCLUSIVE: Are Verizon's 4G LTE towers causing problems with Air Traffic Control?

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EXCLUSIVE: Are Verizon's 4G LTE towers causing problems with Air Traffic Control?
When Verizon introduced it's 4G LTE network last year, it was only offered in a handful of cities, but was also put in at 62 of the nation's most busiest airports. Now we're receiving word that there may be some trouble.

According to our tipster...

"Verizon 4G Antenna's near or on any airport must be removed due to the fact that they are disrupting the communication from the Cockpit to the ATC ( Air Traffic Control) Towers on the airport. This is rumored to be a 27 Million Dollar job to move/rebuild all towers near many airports. The 4G Tower at Chicago O'Hare has been taken down recently. Verizon is trying to move the days of their 4G phone launch to have time to move/rebuild all of the towers by the end of February"

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source: The Digital Express Store

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posted on 14 Feb 2011, 23:32

1. Droid_X_Doug (Posts: 5993; Member since: 22 Dec 2010)

If true, that is not good news for LTE.... I wonder how many travelers were looking forward to 4G speeds as they surfed the Internets waiting for their connecting flight? Not anymore.

posted on 15 Feb 2011, 16:45

17. Lucas777 (Posts: 2137; Member since: 06 Jan 2011)

well this possibly explains the thunderbolt delay...

posted on 14 Feb 2011, 23:38 6

2. Dr.Phil (Posts: 1639; Member since: 14 Feb 2011)

Well as they say: "Verizon: Rule the Air...and all that flies through it."

posted on 15 Feb 2011, 14:51

13. narley (Posts: 357; Member since: 14 May 2009)

this comment is hil... airfocebase.

posted on 15 Feb 2011, 14:52

14. narley (Posts: 357; Member since: 14 May 2009)


posted on 14 Feb 2011, 23:42 3

3. Jim Morgan (unregistered)

You are correct Doug....this is a big blow for LTE not good at all.

posted on 14 Feb 2011, 23:59 1

4. rb68 (Posts: 27; Member since: 23 Apr 2010)

February 30th????


Was this originally posted in the Onion?

posted on 15 Feb 2011, 00:08

5. BaiGanyo (Posts: 308; Member since: 07 Feb 2011)

That is pretty funny. Now that's some leap year news to the max.

posted on 15 Feb 2011, 00:55 3

6. Sniggly (Posts: 7305; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)

If this is true, then it's going to be a problem for AT&T too, as their 4G will be LTE as well.

Once again a magnificent spin job, Phonearena.

posted on 15 Feb 2011, 16:51

18. jd829 (Posts: 155; Member since: 24 Feb 2010)

True, but at&t also has their HSPA+ to fall back on, so not as big of a problem

posted on 15 Feb 2011, 01:23 2

7. hornetmx (Posts: 71; Member since: 12 Mar 2010)

Oh my. I hope there is some shred of truth to this. Otherwise, phonearena is now the "The National Enquirer" of cellphone websites. A "tipster"? is that now what it takes to get an article posted in here? so there is a previous article saying the thunderbolt release was delayed due to the iphone and now is due to LTE towers..... well, I tried phonescoop and is even worse than here. I'm off to Engadget from now on since they seem to be the only ones dealing with real news. If you like rumors then this is the place to be! 10-4.

posted on 15 Feb 2011, 05:15

8. Faa-man (unregistered)

This is true, my father works for the FAA and told me that the frequency from the 4g tower are disrupting communication from the tower the cockpit at approach ( landing). This is serious because at major airports ( chicago o hare) it could cause a major disaster. That is why the tower in chicago was taken down. The only thing that sticks out is the feb 30th deadline to remove or move all towers.

posted on 15 Feb 2011, 06:31

9. tyler83 (unregistered)

Can someone please explain to me how aviation communication in the 118-137Mhz range interferes with Verizon LTE which is running in the 700Mhz range? FM Radio is closer to being an issue at 88-108Mhz than Verizon's LTE. Seriously?


posted on 15 Feb 2011, 08:39

10. Ash NY (unregistered)

you are right Tyler I do not know how these illiterates gets their stupid baseless ideas starting with tech news website "Phone arena" ...

posted on 15 Feb 2011, 08:40

11. Sprintguy27 (unregistered)

Hmmm I wonder how wimax fairs with a similar scenario?

posted on 15 Feb 2011, 14:03

12. LionStone (Posts: 844; Member since: 10 Dec 2010)

Really? It was only offered in a "handful of cities"? I counted a handful just in California...

posted on 15 Feb 2011, 16:00

15. Tom Pica, Verizon Wireless (unregistered)

Both our cell site and our indoor antenna system are operational and we have not received any complaints. Our 4G LTE network has been up and running in 38 cities and 60 airports since Dec. 5, 2010. New devices on track for delivery soon.

posted on 19 Feb 2011, 15:22

22. no 4G (unregistered)

Tom I have a 4G pantech data card for my laptop and for 2 weeks now have no service and I use it at SFO airport. The 4G card works fine at home but not at the airport. So as far as no complaints you are wrong. I think the issue with the airports is true. Time for verizon to be honest with it's clients.

posted on 15 Feb 2011, 16:02 1

16. robertjm (Posts: 1; Member since: 15 Feb 2011)

I didn't do the math to confirm, but it could beban issue of harmonics. These are frequencies above and/or below you actual operating frequency which get interfeared with due to equipment not having enough shielding. Think of it like ripples in a pool when you throw a pebble in. There are clear ares between the bands that have no problems but the bands, which come in regular intervals have problems. After abcertain amount of frequency there is no problem because the harmonic signal has degraded so much.

And like I said earlier a good portion of the problem is with the equipment experiencing the problem NOT the equipment supposedly causing the problem. Just ask any ham radio operator who has lived next to anyone with an older tube TV or Hammond-style organ (speaking from personal experience).

posted on 15 Feb 2011, 18:59

19. tyler83 (unregistered)

We are talking about a more than 500Mhz spread! This is not the problem Sprint was having with their Nextel freqs bleeding into first responder territory. I think that was less than 10Mhz of spectrum.

posted on 16 Feb 2011, 00:32

20. kg4icg (Posts: 77; Member since: 18 May 2008)

Aircraft frequencies are at 118-137 mhz and also in the 225-380 mhz. Now take VZW's LTE frequencies and divide them by 2 and also 4, and you will see the interference factor. You could say there is a resonant IF factor in which IF means intermediate frequency. It happens, and sometimes it means lowering power and placing filters in the troubling system which reduces the range of said system.

posted on 16 Feb 2011, 00:34

21. kg4icg (Posts: 77; Member since: 18 May 2008)

Oh by the way, my knick is my callsign.

posted on 19 Feb 2011, 23:41

23. Alex (unregistered)

Here is a link to another story that puts it into a little more light. Look at the last paragraph and see why this is totally false.http://www.phonenews.com/debunked-verizon-not-moving-4g-cellsites-due-to-interference-with-air-traff ic-control-15875/
Yup TWO months after initial deployment we have issues. Right.

posted on 16 Sep 2011, 13:00

24. Anuran (unregistered)

Aviation and maritime frequencies are 2-156 mhz. Verizon LTE is 700 mhz. So the tipster is all wrong about this issue.

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